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We will have 95-100 mil to spend, we have a foundation now, I have a feeling FA will be knocking on our door when before they stayed away smile


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Priority free agent? Grady Jarrett.

Trade target? Hassan Reddick.

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I saw it mooted on one of the NFL sites ( can’t recall which) where they were speculating ideal trade scenarios and Reddick to Cleveland for a 3rd was one. I’d like that a lot - I think he fits the scheme here. If we stick with it.....

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Drop a bomb and get Ziggy Ansah.

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Not a fan of spending in FA. I think it's cool to grab a piece or two, but there are some players here we might want to extend first:

Demarious Randall- FA in 2020
Emmanual Ogbah- FA in 2020
Joe Schobert- FA in 2020 (a must re-sign, if you ask me)
Breshard Perriman- FA in 2019 (a great FA find by Dorsey)

Clearly that won't take up all the cap space but I think we should consider retaining our own guys first.


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re-sign our own (remember, we'll have to PAY for some of our good young players) and add a few names in FA


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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There's also a lack of top tier free agents. Wouldn't be a bad year to try to extend our own and aim to save money long term.

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i agree, it isn't a great crop from the lists I've seen


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I'll add Greg Robinson as a consideration as well.


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If DeMarcus Lawrence doesn't get franchised then we need to throw the kitchen sink at him.

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Originally Posted By: 1oldMutt
Drop a bomb and get Ziggy Ansah.


Great athletic ability but I'll pass. He's hurt, again.

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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Not a fan of spending in FA. I think it's cool to grab a piece or two, but there are some players here we might want to extend first:

Demarious Randall- FA in 2020
Emmanual Ogbah- FA in 2020
Joe Schobert- FA in 2020 (a must re-sign, if you ask me)
Breshard Perriman- FA in 2019 (a great FA find by Dorsey)

Clearly that won't take up all the cap space but I think we should consider retaining our own guys first.


I don't consider myself a contract guru by any means but your post sent me to Spotrac.com. Add to your list of players who the team needs to take care of this offseason: Robinson and Higgins for sure and I'm inclined to extend Boddy-Calhoun as well.

Subtract Taylor's salary and whatever decision is made about Collins (somebody explain the impact of a cut vs. a restructure please) and I'm under the impression the team can handle the financials of these deals.

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Good call. I completely forgot about Higgins.


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Ansah is good when healthy, but thtat's a BIG when


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Like Kuechly .... hes one of the best if not the best in the game ... he cant stay on the field ...

I actually think dude should be FORCED to retire ... he’s had like 5 or 6 concussions ... thats not an exxegaration .. at least not much of one if at all ... his brains gonna be mush by the time he’s 45 ...

Its really sad ...




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Same with Sean Lee ... he's always hurt; albeit, not with concussions


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
I'll add Greg Robinson as a consideration as well.


Agreed, and Perriman.


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Perriman is someone i definitely want to see back


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Perriman has been quite the revelation. Like really good. Have been very impressed so far.

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Originally Posted By: drobs
Perriman has been quite the revelation. Like really good. Have been very impressed so far.


Yeah, it's so refreshing to take someone else's busts and make them good for once instead of vice versa.

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Grady Jarrett if possible for the "big money" signing (probably 5 years and 80 million after Arron Donald crushed the DT markert)

After that, mostly guys to fill out roles.

Jordan Hicks to eventually replace Kirksey as the WILL
Tyrell Williams to bring some size to the outside of our WR group (assuming Perriman tests the "waters" of Free Agency)

Higgins is restricted so that should be easy.

Try to get Greg Robinson to agree to something reasonable as the O-Tackle talent is getting very thin in the NFL these days it seems.


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Perriman is way more effective without as much pressure on him clearly. For some guys, being the #1 go-to guy just isn't in the cards. For us, him being a 4-5th option is perfect


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I also wonder if we'll try to re-sign Tretter, or if that's Corbett's future


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I also wonder if we'll try to re-sign Tretter, or if that's Corbett's future


Tretter is signed through next season.


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oh, i thought he was a FA ... thanks


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Not a fan of spending in FA. I think it's cool to grab a piece or two, but there are some players here we might want to extend first:

Demarious Randall- FA in 2020
Emmanual Ogbah- FA in 2020
Joe Schobert- FA in 2020 (a must re-sign, if you ask me)
Breshard Perriman- FA in 2019 (a great FA find by Dorsey)

Clearly that won't take up all the cap space but I think we should consider retaining our own guys first.


Completely agree. Rather than going on a spending spree. Let's put ourselves in a position to go ahead and keep our guys that we already have. Obviously Randall is a must. Let's get that going ahead of time. Same with Schobert. I'd like to keep Ogbah too. Perriman and Robinson. BBC too. He's a versatile talent who steps up wherever he's asked to play. Gotta keep him. And of course Higgins. He took a major step forward this year, and he seems to have a real connection with Baker


This team is headed forwards. But we need to use FA with forward thinking. Overpaying for someone else's talent is often a much bigger question mark than paying and keeping our own talent.

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We're still not at a place where we can toss piles of cash at FA. That said, I won't complain about sneaky-good FA pickups (such as the Randall transaction). I would be surprised (and possibly disappointed) if we land the consensus #1 FA. I just don't think we're there yet where we can be the big spenders.


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A lot of players some think will be on the list will be re-signed, franchise tagged and be made offers we'll have to match in order to sign them.

We really have no idea as to who will actually be on the FA market or what type of deal or draft compensation it will take to sign these players.


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We can't resign everyone.

Boddy-Calhoun I like. He's a restricted free agent, but I feel like his days are numbered here. I get the impression we feel he's hit his ceiling.

Ogbah is another one I think we may let go in time. Dorsey's analytical plan of drafting Ward over Chubb hasn't seemed to pay off as he had hoped. Although our Dline has been altered since last season... The hope was Ward would give their quarterback an additional one second pause as we were always one second away from sacking their quarterback. I like Ogbah as well, but he was drafted by Sashi and Dorsey could move on from him.

I think Perriman will stay on another 1 year deal basis. And I think he'll stay because he knows we have that QB. I'm also not sure how the FA WR pool looks. I recall looking at it and I don't remember being impressed...

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Really? ... how far away u think we are? ... I think this is the perfect time to become big players for the RIGHT FA ...

If a LT or DT or Lber is the #1 FA .. i’m All in ...

Curious as to how far away from being big players in FA u think we are ...




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Free agency should be used to fill in the gaps, not as a base for building the team. I am fine with signing one and maybe two expensive guys, but the draft is where we should building our team. And if that’s the case we should be using our cap space to re-sign our own guys. The last thing we want is to be in the Jaguars spot where they have negative cap room and no future.

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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Really? ... how far away u think we are? ... I think this is the perfect time to become big players for the RIGHT FA ...

If a LT or DT or Lber is the #1 FA .. i’m All in ...

Curious as to how far away from being big players in FA u think we are ...

I hear you, but I don't see Dorsey going that route. The only way I see him doing that is if the Big name FA is 25-27years old, still in his prime.

We saw last year he went for 24-25-26 27 year old guys mostly. Guys coming off rookie contracts that are still playing and learning. Guys you fill in to build around while you groom your own guys you just drafted.

I see him going this route again. Lets not get greedy. I see John building a winner for the long haul, not a one year wonder.

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Last year we also traded picks for veterans. I could see us going that route again this year. Trading picks for known entities is great value.

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Last year we also traded picks for veterans. I could see us going that route again this year. Trading picks for known entities is great value.


Agreed.


And as i said before, rather than making a splash in FA, i'd like to make sure that we can re-sign our own guys.

We've gotta make sure that we can lock up Demarius Randall and Joe Schobert. Myles Garrett is going to be a 20 million dollar a year player. So is Denzel Ward. Baker Mayfield is going to be about 30 million a year. Big Larry Ogunjobi is going to command money too. These guys won't come cheap.

I want to prepare so that we can keep these guys around. We have a great core. We should keep them around and continue to build on it through the draft. FA signings should be smart ones. That and solid trades, like we did for Randall & Landry


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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Really? ... how far away u think we are? ... I think this is the perfect time to become big players for the RIGHT FA ...

If a LT or DT or Lber is the #1 FA .. i’m All in ...

Curious as to how far away from being big players in FA u think we are ...



I don't see a LT being available but think we could get some defense help... would love another DB or LBer help... draft tackle...


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I'm going to assume we'll draft a LB or two (and have Avery) to replace Collins, which will save us some more money too


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Really? ... how far away u think we are? ... I think this is the perfect time to become big players for the RIGHT FA ...

If a LT or DT or Lber is the #1 FA .. i’m All in ...

Curious as to how far away from being big players in FA u think we are ...

I hear you, but I don't see Dorsey going that route. The only way I see him doing that is if the Big name FA is 25-27years old, still in his prime.

We saw last year he went for 24-25-26 27 year old guys mostly. Guys coming off rookie contracts that are still playing and learning. Guys you fill in to build around while you groom your own guys you just drafted.

I see him going this route again. Lets not get greedy. I see John building a winner for the long haul, not a one year wonder.


Greedy?

He said the RIGHT FA. As in ONE.

And 2/3rds of his salary would come the Savings from dropping Collins.

Diam. Man u were sooo flipping right about Collins when we picked him up.

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If we are adding in FA I would like to see us add a WR. The bust rate for high draft picks at that position is too high for my liking.

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But who's our best WR option for FA? Tyrell Williams?


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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We're still quite a few players away.

We need another starter'ish-caliber CB. We need another starter'ish-caliber LB. We need a bonafide #1 WR. We need a long-term LT (I believe that person is on the roster, but he needs to take the position). Second tier "needs" include depth at dline and probably the secondary... maybe also at receiver. I wouldn't mind finding a more well-rounded tight end. At the very least, depth across the board needs a lot. Additional holes will probably open up over the next 2 seasons (center?). We also need a more "believable" backup behind Mayfield if we're truly about to start pushing for a championship, and lock down the kicker position.

Feel free to address positions I called out above if you don't think they're needs. IMO, that list would have to be half its current length or less in order for a major FA spend to make any sense.


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