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The hearing is now in recess until 12:30..but it does not sound as if it is going well for Flynn.
The judge asked Meuller's team if they ever considered charging Flynn with "treason"...
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This judge also backed Flynn and his lawyers down on their claims that Flynn had been entrapped by the FBI into pleading guilty.
It sounds as if the judge was POed the game playing by Flynn and/or his lawyers with the late claim that Flynn was manipulated by the FBI. That move might cost Flynn with a sentence in jail instead of the recommendation of no time by Mueller's team.
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Yea, the judge was ripping into Flynn, pretty much calling him a traitor.
Good lord, and yet conservatives are still trying to defend this dude.
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40...Flynn and his lawyers might want to reconsider...this judge is not happy with the games attempted by Flynn/Trump/lawyers.
Might want to give the judge time to cool off.
Keep in mind folks, Mueller's team is recommending on jail time.
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Got a guy that commited his own individual treason under a traitorous President while being the National Security Advisor. BUT you guys are worried about Mueller and FBI tactics. smh
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swish...rwers are still trying to peddle this fake story that the FBI trapped Flynn.
The judge asked Flynn and his lawyers, "point blank"...did the FBI entrap you?... ...Flynn and his lawyers said NO, THE FBI HAD NOT TRICK OR ENTRAPPED FLYNN..they said this "under oath"!
That should put an end to the fake bs many on the right attempted to peddle. That claim is now dead!
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from the judge to Flynn. Pretty much says it all. This should not be a righty or lefty thing.
“All along, you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the National Security Adviser to the President of the United States. That undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably you sold your country out."
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The judge also said to Flynn, are you aware that " "arguably you sold your country out" "?
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Yea, the judge was ripping into Flynn, pretty much calling him a traitor.
Good lord, and yet conservatives are still trying to defend this dude. Hold on a minute! You guys have been going on and on about his collusion with Russia and the Judge is angry about his working for Turkey. I hold him responsible for working for Turkey while being National Security Adviser too! Don't change the subject now that you are wrong! Russian Collusion? Pfft
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yea, whats sad is that everybody who isn't a trump supporter knew this wasn't entrapment.
but we all know they're still gonna roll with that talking point no matter what.
at this point, imma let them go down with the ship. the more this goes on, the less trustworthy 60 million people who continue to defend this nonsense will appear.
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you realize part of the reason why he got a favorable plea deal to begin with is because he started being a rat on the collusion aspect, correct?
that fact that you think that him working for Turkey is the only aspect here is why people roast you every chance they get.
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Flynn lawyers now telling the judge they might be willing to accept a delay in sentencing...smart move.
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yea, cause it looks like the judge wants flynn to serve prison time.
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you realize part of the reason why he got a favorable plea deal to begin with is because he started being a rat on the collusion aspect, correct?
that fact that you think that him working for Turkey is the only aspect here is why people roast you every chance they get. Later in the hearing, though, Sullivan ripped into Flynn, calling his plea "very serious" and accusing him of being an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as national security adviser. The judge even asked prosecutors if Flynn could have been charged with treason, which they hesitated to answer.Turkey!
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that quote has nothing to do with the russian conspiracy aspect of the plea agreement and what i just told you.
keep trying though. go down with the ship if you want to.
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TURKEY!
Sentencing suspended for 90 days!
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I wonder if Trump is paying attention...he is in some deep 'stuff' when judges ask Mueller if he considered "treason".
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anyways,
sentencing has been put off another 90 days.
i dunno if thats good news for flynn or bad, cause the judge is gonna start asking about his contacts with Turkey and how he influenced decisions from the president.
yikes.
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Obviously this judge is taking what Flynn did more seriously than Mueller's team did...that is no good news for Flynn or Trump.
I wonder if the Judge has access to an 'unredacted" version of Mueller's report?
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Former Michael Flynn Business Associates Indicted in Turkey Lobbying Case By Adam Goldman and Mark Mazzetti Dec. 17, 2018
Image Bijan Kian was charged as part of a conspiracy to violate federal lobbying rules and faces up to 15 years in prison. CreditCreditDaniel Acker/Bloomberg ALEXANDRIA, Va. — Two former business associates of Michael T. Flynn, President Trump’s first national security adviser, have been indicted as part of a federal investigation into Turkey’s secret 2016 lobbying campaign to pressure the United States to expel a rival of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Charges against the two former associates, Bijan Kian and Ekim Alptekin, were unsealed on Monday in an Alexandria, Va., courtroom. The two men were indicted last week as part of a conspiracy to violate federal lobbying rules, and Mr. Alptekin was also charged with making false statements to F.B.I. investigators.
The indictment is further evidence of a broad crackdown on unregistered foreign lobbying growing from the inquiry by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel who has investigated foreign flows of money from Ukraine, Turkey and other countries devised to manipulate decision-making in Washington. Mr. Mueller referred the Turkey case back to prosecutors in Northern Virginia.
The indictment said that the two men sought to conceal that Turkey was directing the work, and that high-level Turkish officials approved the budget for the project and were given regular updates by Mr. Alptekin about the campaign’s progress. Mr. Flynn’s firm — Flynn Intel Group — received a total of $530,000 for its work.
“The defendants sought to discredit and delegitimize the Turkish citizen in the eyes of politicians and the public,” the indictment said.
Mr. Flynn is scheduled to be sentenced on Tuesday in federal court in Washington on charges of lying to investigators about his conversations with the Russian ambassador during the transition after the 2016 election.
When he pleaded guilty last December to lying to F.B.I. agents working on the Russia investigation, Mr. Flynn also admitted to prosecutors that he had repeatedly violated laws requiring firms to register their work on behalf of foreign clients.
This month, Mr. Mueller’s prosecutors issued a sentencing memorandum saying that Mr. Flynn had provided “substantial help” in several unspecified but continuing investigations. It is believed that the Turkey inquiry is one of these investigations because he had direct knowledge of different aspects of the case.
Prosecutors cited Mr. Flynn’s assistance as grounds for leniency in his sentencing.
Mr. Kian, dressed in a blue suit, stood silently in court on Monday as the charges were announced. He was released after the hearing, and his lawyer declined to comment. Prosecutors said that he faces up to 15 years in prison and Mr. Alptekin up to 35 years.
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Obviously this judge is taking what Flynn did more seriously than Mueller's team did...that is no good news for Flynn or Trump.
I wonder if the Judge has access to an 'unredacted" version of Mueller's report? I would think a federal judge would
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Trump did not collude with Russia and neither did Flynn.
Flynn was a foreign agent working for TURKEY! Guilty.
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he probably does.
i think mueller was kind to flynn because he gave a lot of info on the russian conspiracy aspect.
remember, the only reason cohen got 3 years instead of 5 is because mueller said cohen helped with the russian investigation, even though the feds in NY wanted to give him 5 years.
but yea, the judge isn't having this with regards to working for Turkey. flynn could be screwed. this won't really touch trump, but the info flynn gave to mueller about russia absolutely will.
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The court then went into a brief recess. After returning, Flynn's lawyers took up the judge on an offer to delay proceedings.
After the recess, Sullivan also clarified some of his scathing statements about the defendant, prompting the prosecutors to note Flynn’s work as a foreign agent occurred before he took a job at the White House. He also walked back his treason comments, saying he wasn’t suggesting Flynn committed treason, but was “just curious.”
“After looking at the definition of treason, we have no reason to believe he committed treason,” prosecutors added.
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Trump did not collude with Russia and neither did Flynn.
Flynn was a foreign agent working for TURKEY! Guilty. 40...THAT, is yet to be determined!
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you noticed that 40 and vambo wont mention the fact that flynn got a favorable plea deal because he helped mueller with the russia investigation, as well as other investigations?
they keep giving pieces instead of the whole story. its really sad.
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Well now the excuse is, "They're all a bunch of criminals making plea deals and going to prison, but it's not Russia!"
Before it was, "They're not guilty!"
But that's one of the effects of that new malt liquor brand they're drinking...... Cult 45.
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bro, you remember when trump asked comey if he could let the flynn thing go?
man oh man does that look worse by the day.
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Now that we've found out that not only was Trump warned about Flynn, but Pence was too, it's like they knew he was dirty and still wanted it covered up. Yeah, not good.
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oh, and guess what news is getting buried today because of the flynn situation?
Trump foundation is dissolving.
not a good week (again) for Trump.
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Flynn might have been dirty, but Trump had no problem with how dirty he might have been.
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He was appointed as the 18th Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, serving from July 2012 to August 2014.
FOR OBAMA!!!
He served Trump for 1 month before Trump fired him for lying to Vice President Pence about having contact with the Russian Ambassador.
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obama fired him
he then warned the trump administration multiple times about hiring flynn.
Trump did it anyway. but ofcourse, when all else fails, blame obama.
pathetic.
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Flynn walked out today to chants of "USA" and "Lock him up"
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Yea, the judge was ripping into Flynn, pretty much calling him a traitor.
Good lord, and yet conservatives are still trying to defend this dude. Hold on a minute! You guys have been going on and on about his collusion with Russia and the Judge is angry about his working for Turkey. I hold him responsible for working for Turkey while being National Security Adviser too! Don't change the subject now that you are wrong! Russian Collusion? Pfft That indictment is still under seal... tick tock.
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The left will need to put up a squeaky clean robot in the next election. the play book has been laid out...investigate every aspect of a candidates life...you will find something criminal in every person in the US if you look hard enough and then bam...disqualified...unless you are HRC that is.
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The left will need to put up a squeaky clean robot in the next election. the play book has been laid out...investigate every aspect of a candidates life...you will find something criminal in every person in the US if you look hard enough and then bam...disqualified...unless you are HRC that is. OR, like the left, the GOP could make 'revealing a candidates tax returns' a mandatory requirement for being a Republican candidate...
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