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Quick point: the ravens aren’t ranked that high if Flacco is still starting. Remember, they lost 3 of their last 4 before he got hurt, including a loss to us.

That being said, I think we are in the middle of the pack in the nfl. The reality is that the only team we beat with a winning record is the ravens, and as I said, that was with Flacco starting.

All the other wins came against struggling to bad teams. If the refs didn’t rob us, and we beat the bucs, that’s two more wins, but two wins against bad teams.

The Steelers beat us pretty handily the second go around. We got stomped by the chiefs. We got stomped by the chargers and we got stomped by the Texans.

We’re good enough to be average this year. Which is a massive upgrade from what we use to be.

Better then the Bengals...just ask Hue

IMO, we're able to play with the good teams and able to beat the mediocre teams. So I guess that means we're like 12-16 ... right in that area

Were you walking backwards and smiling while you typed that?

Absolutely was...lol

I am going to make a factual post and I get that it won't be popular in a forum that contains a ton of lies, untruths, and shameful insults.

The Browns have beaten one team w/a winning record this year. That team was the Baltimore Ravens. The Browns can obtain their second win against a team w/a winning record this week. That team is the Baltimore Ravens.

Those are facts and not the BS that has taken over this forum.

With that said, I think the Browns are much improved for a multitude of reasons and I do think we are better than we were.

How good? It's hard to say.

Lmfao !!! there's 4 posts in this thread...where's all these lies untruths and shameful insults ?

I said "forum." Not this "thread."

We’ve grown, but that doesn’t mean we’re the only ones who grew as well.

The ravens went from losing 3 of their last 4 to going 5-1 since. Other teams like the Seahawks have gotten better. The chargers have also got better.

I do think we’re a better team, and I wasn’t disputing that. But just because we got better doesn’t mean the other teams got worse or stayed the same. Some got better as well.

I know you said forum...but what does that have to do with this one thread ?

Speak your mind...give us your input without being so paranoid about posts that dont have nothing to do with thread..

I agree on what you said...except for unnecessary bash..

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I did speak my mind. I said that this forum has went from a forum where people felt a responsibility to try and keep things factual to a forum where people lie to win arguments. It's disgusting.

I also spoke my mind when I listed the facts that I did and that I am hopeful for the future. I hope to God I got my facts right [the wins vs winning teams] LOL....I think I have that right...

Here is what bothers me the most. Instead of celebrating what is happening and looking forward to the future, so many of these threads become about Sashi and Hue. Both are freaking gone!

It's time to move on. Dorsey and Williams/Kitchen are better than Sashi and Hue/Haley. They are all gone and thankfully so.

I'm sorry. I'm not going to talk about others or insult anyone today, and I deleted my post. I'm thrilled to death about the state of the Browns and am grateful for this forum and everyone on it. A sincere Merry Christmas to you and yours.

I totally agree...I did put a hue slam down today..Kind of hard not to with the crap he put us through..

But i Promise to put all that behind and will only speak of it when needed..Going to be exciting to see the Browns starting to win..no need to keep bringing up the past...

you good with that Vers ?

Of course I am.

Bro, I am not telling you--or anyone--how to post. I was just expressing my opinion. And I've been holding back so, so much. Some of the lies that are being told in order to promote an agenda are unreal.

It's one thing to have an opinion. It's another to lie and/or deceive to get others to agree w/you. And no.........I am not including you in that group.

I do think you have been overly mean, but that's not a big deal. I come from a school of not kicking a man when he is down. Perhaps your school is different?

Vers..i post what I think...I'm no member of the Browns..It's sports...like life we all have our own views..no ones right..no ones wrong...guess lifes lesson is to get along..

accept anothers view whether you agree or not...but we all know that don't happen..lol

I am not talking about different opinions. I am talking about outright lies. Such as people saying things like Hue wanted Barkley and not Baker before the draft. There are hundreds of examples of those types of lies. They don't know that for a fact, but they throw it out there, others repeat it, and it somehow becomes "fact."

It's lame. It's wrong. And we should--as a community--hold ourselves to a higher standard than that.

Along those lines .... how about this ....

How about EVERYONE lets by by gones be by gones and we all move forward in the spirit thats in your heart today ...

It seems Vers wants to .... does his “posse” .... i’m all for it ....

It’d be GREAT for the entire board ...

What ya’all say? ....

Dielse ... u ready to move on bro ... Jfan? ... Memphis? .. a bunch of others? ....

I realize theres a lot of bad blood ... and am not pointing fingers ... i just know the board is a much better place when all the BITTER BS is gone ...

No clue if ya’all will ever be able to co-exist ... a BUNCH OF US sure would enjoy the board more ... i know that much FOR SURE ...

BONE ... sorry to put this in your thread ... i figured it was worth a shot and I hope u don’t mind i took that shot in here ... sorry if I stepped on the toes of your thread ... wounds may still be too “fresh” to move on yet ... but here’s to HOPING ....

I’ll be back on topic ... this is a good one ... i have things to add to that discussion as well ... ...

Great topic with good football stuff in it all ready ...

I’ll get back in my bunker and see witch way this baby goes ... hopefully i’ll be out sooner than later ... *L* ...

Merry Christmas to u to jfan ... and all my fellow dawgs ...

HO HO HO .. its a GREAT time to be a DAWG ...

Then stop bringing it up...if you dont want to hear the Sashi / hue and Haley stuff then you need to let go of what other people say..

It's not always lies and agendas..it's simply how people view or feel about it...

Yes Diam I'am.. Nice post thank you bro

Bonefish...It feels good not to be at the bottom..it feels good to go to work and not get laughed at...Sp my first post was a get back to all who talked smack against Browns fans who have been belittled for years..

For once it's nice to hold my head up and say..."who's at the bottom ? "

7-7-1. The record don't lie.

This Sunday is a HUGE statement game for this franchise.
- Almost every talking head thinks it's a foregone conclusion we lose.
- No one can stop Lamar. Imagine how our stock soars if we do.
- A win makes an impact on Dorsey's process going forward...I guess.
- I can't measure team spirit with a win, but it will make for a great off-season.

Last year the 49ers had a five game win streak to end the season. They were almost anointed Super Bowl contenders before the season started. It's HARD to be your best week-by-week. I truly believe Baker will keep that focus for himself and the team.

I've heard some of that, but I've heard a ton of pro-Browns stuff, as well.

As good as your next game.

This is as close to a playoff matchup as they will see this year.

The Browns are beating the teams they "should beat", and that's a great place to start. They still do have some holes, but they are fewer than almost any year I can think of in the past 20 years.

I see a crying need for a penetrating DT to play alongside Ogunjobi, and I would like to upgrade at least 1 OLB spot, another pass rusher, and CB could use one more talented youngster to grow into a starting role.

On offense, we need to continue to develop OL, and obviously a WR with burn it down speed would be great.


One thing is for sure, we have a guy at QB who can make every throw, and do it well. He made some throws in the Bengals game that you couldn't have done better with a laser scope. If he manages to throw 2 TD in the final game ... which would be extremely difficult with the way the Rats are playing .... then he would tie Peyton Manning and Russel Wilson for the rookie record for TDs. He would do so while also sitting the 1st 2.5 games of his rookie season. That is absolutely incredible.

I love that Williams has brought discipline to the team. (and to himself, actually) I think that Kitchens has done an amazing job putting together an offense that allows players from all position groups to shine. I also love that this team is starting to believe in itself. They are definitely also following Baker's lead.

There is a lot of extremely encouraging stuff happening here.

Your team can beat the Ravens. If they don't make some of the stupid mistakes the Chargers made last Saturday, they have a decent shot at winning.

This coming from the guy who said the reason we fired Hue is because Baker hated him...

I've tried to moved on several times from several insults and argumentative posts but there are some who insist on continuing to make it a thing.

The Browns are better than most people will give them credit for...

Our defense at full strength can compete with anyone in the league. Our offense can put up points to compete with any team. We are a top 15 team in the league right now. We might be 15, might not, but as the season progressed we became better. Much better. We'd have win the division of be real choose to the division title had we played like this all season.

I recall a few years back when the Titans started something like 1-7 and went on to 8-8 and everyone called them one of the best teams in the league at that time. We have had some easier opponents of late but that shouldn't take away from how good we are... As anyone here should know and anyone who followed us the past 3 seasons, it's not easy to win games in the NFL.

We're a very good football team.

I agree w/you that we are a much=improved team. You and I have discussed this throughout the year and we both have agreed that there has been legitimate hope for this team moving forward.

I'm sorry for the earlier hijacking of your thread. I was just a bit irritated because I had just read two other threads where the lying and wild speculation was very prevalent. My apologies.

You're right about the schedule. We did tie the Steelers at the beginning of the year. We should have beaten the Saints. We did beat the Ravens.

We got blown out by the other three teams who have good records. They being the Chargers, Chiefs, and Texans.

The rest of our schedule contains wins and losses from teams that have losing records, and in some cases, who were on extended losing streaks.

I think beating the Ravens on the road in what is a must-win game for them would be a huge statement for the Browns. It's going to be a very difficult test, but I think we have a shot. I don't expect us to win, but I think we can win. I hope we at least keep it close.

In conclusion, I agree w/you that we are no longer a bad team and that things are looking up. I've believed that ever since I saw the gigantic improvement to the roster this year and watched the first couple of games. I am not sure just how good we are because I would like to see some wins against teams w/winning records before I make any bold proclamations.

U ready to give it another shot RIGHT NOW? .... Vers says he is ... are u? ...

IF not ... why not and when? ....

Perhaps that all starts with an apology from the poster who just recently said "(we) all suck" and can "kiss his butt" and THAT shortly after a self-imposed break from posting? Not one other poster says crap like that and then boo-hoos when people bark back. Now that same poster claims that "we" are a bunch of liars.

I've aced out family members who've demonstrated that they can't behave in a family setting...and this is just a MB. Sorry bro...but the "change" that is needed here starts with the poster who is - without equal - the person most-often at the forefront when a thread gets nasty.

Merry Christmas! And my apologies for hijacking the thread...but someone had to say it.

Man .... what a year ... shaking my head and *L* at the roller coaster the beggingin of rhe year was and how GREAT the 2nd half has been .... WOW .... so much fun ...

I don’t really care what the press or the power ranking guys have to say .... they don’t know this team near as well as most of us posters IMO ... i’d take a round table of myself, Vers, Pit, tabber and Bone discussing our browns over almost all the groups of bozos as tabber calls them .... *L* .... (and u could prolly throw another two dozen posters names in there ... i just picked 4 i’ve known for a long time and respect ... I RESPECT many others also .. even posters i debate “vigourouosy” with ... ) ...

I also have NO CLUE how good we are this week ... one of the great things since the season re-birth has been that we’ve gotten better every week IMO ... one of the things Vers has harped on for the last few years is we needed to having a winning culture and learn how to win games ... WELL ... proofs in the pudding dawgs ....

Pit/NO/Faiders ... we found a way to “lose” or in the stilers game a way not to win ... *L* ... since then we’ve found ways to WIN those games .... Denver game being the SHINING EXAMPLE ....

We did not lose to the teams we should have beaten like he Bungles and Falcons ... we beat teams that IMO are in the same “proximity” to us in the Donks and Panthers ... with beating the Donks in Denver being the big one as that was a nail bitter we pulled out ...

Were not quite ready to compete with the “elite” teams like the Chefs, Bolts and Texans .. were still JUST SHY on talent and were still SO SO YOUNG ...

Dawgs .. thats one of the ost impressive things about this team no ones really talking about ... well .. i dont really watch the talking heads so they may be .. on here ... I haven’t seen much if any talk about it ...

Dawgs ... were doing this with literally PUPS ... this team is loaded with 1st and 2nd year STUDS and MAJOR CONTRIBUTORS combined with “young” veterans .... guys like /Randall and Vice Grios and Mitchell and Kirko are the “Old Men” on this team ....

If u think about the first 8 weeks of the season and how dysfunctional things were on the O side of the ball and how Hue/Haleys “relationship” must have stunted the growth of the entire O ...

The fact Freddie came in and has basically installed and entirely new offense on a weekly basis ... think about it ... i’m Sure he’s used some of the same concepts .. but this O is ENTIRLEY DIFFERENT than it was in week 8 in every CONCEVIABLE WAY ... he didnt quite start from scratch ... but almost ...

Think about that ... Fred took a dysfunctional group of basically PUPS on O at the skill positions and MID SEASON changed everything and has made it work ... its one thing to do it with a veteran group ... with the youth at the skill positions its nothing short of AMAZING even with the caliber of opponents we’ve been doing it against .... we’ve STRUGGLED on O against the good D teams we’ve played .... IMO thats to be EXPECTED ... were young, were learning and we could use at least 1 if not 2 tackles ...

This week will be a good gauge ... CAN’T WAIT to see how good or bad we do against the Rats ... our last game against a good D ... we got eaten up on O in the 1st half ... was THRILLED to see the adjustments we made and the success we had in the 2nd half compared to the first ... wemadethe 2nd half of that game competitive .. and thats HUGE for this young team ...

I’m not really concerned with how good we are today ... i’mMUCH MORE CURIOUS to know how good were gonna be AFTER AN OFF SEASON of:

- aquiring talent ... hopefully a STUDin FA and a bunch of QUALITY DEPTH .. including a COMPETENT TACKLE

- seeing what Mr. R. Harrison becomes after an off season of technique and strength training ..

- Bake and Vice Grips and his pups can do next year after a year of one or two passing camps u know Bakes gonna put on, OTA’s and Camp ... SO SO EXCITED TO SEE THAT ...

- see how much this GROUP that appears to LOVE PLAYING TOGETHER and they GENIUNLY SEEM TO LOVE THE GAME and that seems willing to WORK THERE ARSES OFF to achieve GREATNESS IMPROVES ... each rep these kids take this year is IN VALUABLE and will pay major dividends next year ... ...

and i mean that ... and quite frankly if there not willing to work and COMMIT to this team .. bakes gonna drag them along or there gonna be out of the picture ...

We got ourselves a LEADER dawgs ... say what u will about Bake ... he’s a LEADER and a WINNER ...

hee - hee has now become WOOF - WOOF ...

This year was. GREAT RIDE ... next year things GET SERIOUS ...

I think we're a legitimate 8-8 team. That's remarkable considering how things had cratered by this time last year. The trick will be turning the Browns into a 10-6 or 12-4 team next year.

We've seen flash in the pan seasons that took us nowhere. With just a little bit of good decision making in the off season this team can be made into a very good NFL team. That's where the Browns are right now. Shoot, I'm more optimistic than I've been in years right now.

Merry Christmas to u also bro ... hope u and yours enjoyed it ...

Sad to see thats your attitude ... IMO there’s plenty of apologies to go around ... this was not one sided bro ... NOT BY ANY STRETCH ...

Plenty of blame to go around on both sides my friend ... bummed u see it differently ... just to boil it down to the “last round” of shots taken isn’t right IMO ...

Come on Willie ... its the holidays ... DON’T BE A GRINCH .... get in the holiday spirit bro and FORGIVE AND MOVE ON ...

Please Willie ... ...

Have a good New Years dawg and be safe ...

Do you have 2 examples of mistakes the Browns must avoid?