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Bone, I saw that ranking on nfl network. I think it had us at 16.

versatile, I agree with all of that but two thoughts. We can only beat the teams we are scheduled to play and if you look at our record since the coaching change we lost to two teams that are amongst the best in the afc. I do not think anyone on here thinks we compare to kc right now. And Texas is just a bit out of reach also. But we beat the teams we should beat and that is important.

This weekend will be a true test. Baltimore knows that probably they need to win to be in so they will be motivated. We need to match that and play with high intensity. If we win Sunday that will tell us a lot about our browns!! But there is no question we are a better team the second half than the first!

I agree. I thought we were a 4-5 win team at the start of the year...and now I think we are an 8-8 team. I'm with you on the optimism and I don't have to repeat what a difference a FQB makes...but I LOVE saying that now.

0 wins to four wins is tough...being a four win team and winning eight instead is tough...getting from eight wins to 10+ might be tougher than both of things.

While I love the direction the team is heading, we've gotten our assed kicked when we've played contending teams. I don't expect much difference this weekend, perhaps the score will be a little closer. We're definitely middle of the pack, but too young and too inexperienced to claim anything else. I anticipate developing into a good or even great team, as Baker seems to be the real deal, but we have a ways to go. Another off season, and time to build on routine could propel us forward, but much will depend on how closely they stick to the present script. The coaching selection will tell us more about that. A whole new coaching staff could actually set us back a year. But we'll see.

JMHO

Agreed Cal. We still need another 6-8 good players IMO to really put us in contender category. Also, the decision made on our coaching situation will have an affect on our future progress. We have to wait and see what players we get before next season and who will be coaching us. I am cautiously optimistic. Also, I was listening to local sports radio and the hosts were talking about how Danny Shelton has not played well for the Pats and stated he was a bad pickup for them. Thought my fellow Browns fans would be interested to hear that.

Certainly. One is your free safety taking a bad angle and whiffing on a tackle that leads to a 78 yard TD; another is fumbling the ball late in the game when you're driving for the winning score, another is calling deep routes that take time to develop when your QB is not getting the time to throw deep and another is throwing up jump balls against a very athletic secondary. Those are just the ones that I can think of off the top of my head; there are probably others.

Yes butt - The KC game was was the first one after the change and we faced the hottest passing team in the NFL with 3 of 4 starting DB's out. The Texans we spotted them 4 turnovers and 14 points, Baker had a bad day, Calloway jogs left just a bit and this is a close game, after spotting 3 turnovers and 7 points to a playoff team.

Yeah we beat only teams under .500 but, we did beat ALL of them. Denver at their house is tough.

This last game will be a real test.

This team is becoming a winner while we watch. Just experience and time in the same system, with no changes in personnel, IMO we are ALREADY a 9-7 to 10-6 team, at least. We got kids getting better EVERYWHERE, and excellent coaching, Right Now.

We may have Already Had our last losing season for a decade or more.

Interesting about Shelton, and Gordon. I'd be the last to count out the Pats, even though it appears cracks are starting to show. But hell, it may be nothing more than a bump in the road. Accessory to that is the fact that Dorsey is making some damn good decisions.

I think this game is a great litmus test.... A win ends the season with the very best of feelings and puts the current interim staff at 6-2 which is a great record regardless of the schedule.... As many have said, you can only beat the teams on your schedule. A loss would dampen some of the giddy expectations of assuming we will challenge for the division title... But it shouldn't and can't erase the quantum improvement we have seen since we jettisoned Hue.

I'm not expecting a win, but I think we can win. Without some serious bad luck or chronically unfavorable calls by the refs, I think we'll be in the gAme through all 60 minutes. . . . I guess I should add, No bad decisions to go for it on 4th down to as I have much more confidence in their D to stop us than I do in us being able to get it.

I've already made my own mind up that I 100% want GW as HC and Kitchens as OC and assistant HC if needed to protect him. A win and a record of 6-2 really makes it hard to consider not keeping those guys in place. I'd like that very much and a winning record would be the very best thing for this young team.

Looking forward to SundAy immensely.

We're good enough right now to win twice as many games as we lose....with the current coaches and players.....who are only going to improve. Why on earth are some of you saying we're a middle of the road team? Open your eyes.

Great advice. Those are all valid points. Just avoiding those and stoopid penalties ought to keep it close. We may need a break or two to be in it, but we can be in it, especially if we do basic stuff better. But we need a better game probably than we have had in a few of these wins. Foot on the pedal, Dawgs!

Refs would be good. Call some holding on them for a change.

I would personally give $100 into a "Buy-A-Ref" fund. If all the fans gave $100 each maybe we could afford the playoffs. Maybe even a home game!

HaHa! How did that work out?

I haven't responded to any of those guys for months. I moved on awhile ago.

I do wish the community would not allow the lies to go unchallenged, though. There are only about 2-4 guys who lie/deceive a lot. It would be nice if that would stop.

I think we are about an average team. Maybe good enough for a wild card spot, but not quite ready to make a run.

That said, I think that is a HUGE improvement considering we really didn't get started until mid season.

If we build on this, I fully expect us deep in the playoffs next year, but if we get too cute in the off-season we'll have a set-back.

Music to my ears

I feel the same. We have a middle of the road offense and a less than avg defense. It will be interesting to see how this offseason goes and more importantly if we keep kitchens.

Post whatever you like. Your football opinions are as valid as anyone's.

But claiming you've moved on and claiming you haven't responded to some here for months and then writing this (same sort of comments now on multiple posts\threads) is not what I call moving on or not responding .... It's a passive aggressive sort of post that will undoubtedly continue the friction.

Well, here's a lie. I assume then you are one of the 2-4 posters you are referring to...

I don’t think thats a lie ... since Vers has quit talking about the Browns ... he’s not replied to anyone specifically or replied to them directly ... like 88 said ... he’s made very inflammatory statements w/o mentioning anyone by name ...

Not sticking up for what he did ... just sayin i don’t believe he’s called anyone out directly in awhile ...

In my eyes ... how u tried to portray Vice Grips as a bad teammate is much more deceiving ... and i think thats the type of stuff Vers is reffering to ...

Not trying to be a jerk or take sides here .. just pointing out what i’ve seen going on lately ...

I just want the BS to stop ... and i WON’T QUIT TRYING ...

One day maybe BOTH SIDES will REALIZE until they STOP WITH THE INSULTS NO MATTER HOW JUSTIFIED THEY THINK THEY ARE it’s not gonna stop ....

And i won’t quit trying to achieve that as long as its going on ... we should all be enjoying this ...

I mean WTF ... SPORTS IS SUPPOSE TO BRING US TOGETHER ... not so much in here ... ....

But that really isn't any better is it? It's still poking and baiting posters right? And then to go on a bemoan the quality of the board and posters not talking football is a total double standard. It's tiring and frustrating because after enough baiting threads explode into chaos and it infects every thread.

I missed Vers takes on football for the weeks he didnt post, but it was hard to not notice the number of arguments and BS non football posts nearly vanished in that time too.

I’m not here to debate this ... i’m not here to take sides ...

Your pointing out what Vers has done while COMPLETELY IGNORING the shots they’ve taken at Vers via Hue he hasn’t been responding to ... there’s been plenty of “veiled” insults tossed his way over the time frame u reference ... he’s just not replying to them ... hence the less cluttered board ...

I am way more involved than i ever have been .. I STAY OUT OF THIS CRAP for a reason and this is why ...

Folks take sides and everyone digs in and off we go ... this one went WAY TO FAR ...

There’s PLENTY OF BLAME to go around on both sides ... u seem to have chosen one side as somehow “above” the other ...

I don’t see it ... the posse is just playing a “different” game and vers is ignoring them while calling us all out as opposed to singling a few out ... *L* ...

The game hasn’t changed ... the playing field has ...

I think we are what our record says we are. We are a 7-7-1 team. We are a middle of the road average football team. And that is WONDERFUL! Because a few months ago, we were the worst team in the league (again).

A few changes and we have seen what a huge difference was made afterwards with the right game plans, and right coaching. Now add a little more talent here and there (which john john will do this offseason), and I think we legit have an opportunity to be the best team in the division next year.

We have a STAR under center. Guys are going to want to stay here, guys are going to want to play here.

Its good to be alive!

It's a good question. What I've seen in the second half of the season is a team that's better than an average team, but not good enough to hang with the top teams.. see the games vs KC and at Houston.

Call it the the third crack at a very tough team (factoring in how they've been playing lately), in their house, with a playoff spot likely on the line for them. It would be a great statement win for the Browns.

Tough game. The Ravens have a great defense. Their power running game on offense, aided by Lamar Jackson, unfortunately matches up with a Browns weakness.

With all that being said, the Ravens are only favored by 6. All things considered, that's a great show of support for the Browns, given that the home team is usually favored 3-4 points right off the bat.

Life isn't fair. The board and it's comments aren't fair. The biggest issue I have with anyone is when they are one of the primary instigators then cry about the responses ... Or being an instigator and then trying to police what there say.

It's a public football forum. Some posts are going to be wrong, some opinions are going to be wrong, some opinions might be written "as fact" because not every opinion has an "imo" written after it .... None of that worries me or irritates me.... What I find more of an issue and worth commentating on is instigators who then cry victim of instigators who then self appoint themselves as board police with double standards.a


As you say, hard to extract yourself once you get involved. So I've said my 2 cents and will not say more unless specifically responded to.

So, basically what you are saying is that I should completely ignore the insults that WSU levied against me in this thread?

I know I can't reply directly towards his comments because I would be suspended if I spoke like he and others do.

And you didn't say one word to him about his BS attack. Don't pretend you are being fair.

Where are we now? About as good as could possibly be expected. There are certain things you need to achieve success. Part of that is chemistry and timing. That can only be developed with familiarity and repetition.

At this present time we are middle of the pack. We compete well in some cases with winning teams and sometimes suffer mightily against them. We are beating teams in the middle with at least some sense of consistency.

But what more can you ask for with a rookie QB, rookie RB, rookie CB and other rookies and young players sprinkled in? I mean those are pretty critical positions on your roster. For such a young team at such critical positions, we have accomplished a LOT!

So while my opinion isn't all sunshine and farting rainbows according to some, it's very realistic. But here's the kicker. While not every draft pick develops into a great player, when you can see those flashes of greatness in them as rookies, the future certainly looks bright.

Everyone can see it in Mayfield, Chubb and Ward. But let's look a little deeper. Take Genard Avery as an example. The 150th pick in the draft. This kid has loads of potential.

Combine this young talent just waiting to be developed and improved with the uncanny ability Dorsey has for finding FA signings that have been misused or under developed, and there's a potential for greatness here.

It reminds me of taking snapshots of the life of a child. Over time they change so much. They grow, get smarter and develop. In a short amount of time they don't even resemble the baby they once were. It's an amazing sight to see.

Well that's where we were. At the stage of infancy. In one short season we've grown a lot from there. People can say that this past draft was luck, or a fluke. That Dorsey got lucky in the FA market. That signing Perriman was also luck. But some of us know that's simply not true. We need only look at K.C. to see what Dorsey can build. And if anything he's only grown and gotten better from there.

We have entered a process. A metamorphosis. We are the best we have been since 2007, and with the youth, combined with the best talent evaluator in the NFL, the sky is the limit from here.

Life’s not fair ... u sure ... *LOL* ...

Couldn’t resist dawg ... ...

Again ... your taking sides ... u can frame it any way u want ... your saying one side has taken a “higher” road in this ... i dont see it ..

FAIR is LONG GONE with what has transpired in this situation .... LONG LONG LONG GONE IMO ...

We have different goals here .... i’m looking for peace, your last post leads me to believe your stuck on who u believe to be at fault ....

Hope u had a good christmas and have a safe and happy New Years dawg ....

LETS GOOOOOOOooooooooo ..... can’t wait for Sunday ... how GREAT IS THAT ... week 17 and i CANT WAIT .... WOOOOHOOOOOOO ...

ITS FINALLY GOOD TO BE US ...

Take it for what it's worth... I'm in England on a small Amazon tablet. I see/read about 25-30% of all the posts. Mostly the most recent ones to when i log on. I haven't read any insulting posts to Vers.... And I'm not going to go looking.

But at the end of the day everything I have said in these last couple posts is 100% true and they are no less true because I did or didn't adjudicate other "mean" posts by others.

So...you DIDN'T say we all suck and can kiss your butt?

And you HAVEN'T posted a half dozen times in this very thread that we are a bunch of deceiving liars?

Aaaaaand...I insulted YOU by re-typing your exact words to the Board? Wow.

Got it.

Has anything been deleted from the thread??
I'm back home Saturday and can read the entire thread.... But not if there's posts that have been redacted

How good are we?

Good enough to snap Lamar Jackson in half.

Let's do this thing!

j/c

So...legit question here... I think. And maybe this is the wrong thread...but...

LJ can run like the wind but can't throw very well...and the Rats are a very good running team...so why aren't teams stacking the box and keeping LJ in the pocket? Make him beat you with the pass? Take away the TE and make him throw wide?

I'd man up outside, play over/under on the TE, and play 7 in the box .... but mix things up a lot. Give him a ton of stuff to process, both pre and post snap.

I'm pretty much right there with you. I would love to keep the coaching staff exactly as they are. At the same time, Dorsey has a lot of connections in the league. We are all fans and want a winning team that continues to make strides moving forward.

However, Dorsey has more on the line here than all of us put together. Turning the Browns into a dynasty could cement his legacy in the NFL forever. I have no reason not to trust him by looking at what he's done so far. On that basis alone I will accept his decision on the coaching situation unless and until there is ample evidence to do otherwise.

Im not trying to prolong this thing, but...

...but saying there are 2-4 liars on this board is doing the exact thing he and you say he's not. If you dont think that's directly talking to the 2-4 posters he thinks are liars I don't know what to tell you.

It was less than a week ago I was going back and forth with a poster when he unprovokingly chimed in and said "why would you believe him?"

Are you serious dawg? He hasn't instigated things for a few months? Come on!

And he's going to call people liars when he does the same things? Heck he said we fired Hue because Baker hates him. I'm still waiting to hear the proof of this which I know will never come because it's not true.

Also, I'm not trying to portray vice grips as a bad teammate. I merely responded to the comment of him being a good locker room guy with an article where the Dolphins said they didn't want him in their locker room. Why would they want to get rid of a good locker room guy? Good locker room guys don't call out their head coach. You know that and I know that...

Yet it's a choice and you made the choice to do so.

I like a lot of our staff, especially the offensive staff.

I really like Wylie at OL, Henry at WR, and Kitchen at OC. I like Zampese as QB coach, but I don't know if he'll be back, given his close relationship to Hue. The only way I see to keep all of those guys is if we retain this staff completely, or maybe if we hire a defensive head coach and marry him to this offensive staff. However, I don't know how that puts us ahead.

I am of the mind that I hope we keep our coaching staff intact. The team is playing better ball under them than they were under Hue and Haley.