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After years of dubious decisions and constant coaching/GM turmoil, Haslam finally has a winning product on the field. Some of his cohorts have advised him to try to keep this staff in place and, while general manager John Dorsey is overseeing the search, ownership will ultimately sign off on any hire.

Listen to those COHORTS, Jimmy!

My first thought when i read it ...

CLASSLESS IS as CLASSLESS DOES ...

I’d fire my GM if he even suggested bringing in Josh after what he did last year ... my question would be .. HOW DO U EVER TRUST HIM, he’s clearly not a MAN OF HIS WORD ... not a fan of those types of folks ... not someone i wanna bein a foxhole with ...

They can justify it all they want ... he knew of Lucks condition and he took the job knowing full well the pay andlucks condition ... someone then throws more money a u and u HOSE AN ENTRIE ORG. ....

Naaa .. that’s CLASSLESS ... right in the THIEFS WHEELHOUSE ...

if it's not broke .. don't fix it.

FWIW - On Sunday NFL Countdown, they had a segment on coaching openings/potential openings. Chris Mortensen said that Gregg Williams was a "luke warm" candidate. Those were his exact words

It’s unlikely gets the job and people should probably prepare themselves for that.

j/c and I haven't read the last dozen or so posts

We keep posting the opinions of this writer or that about who is or is not the leading candidate. I have to wonder, where are they getting that info? Dorsey runs a tight ship, and as we saw with the Condi Rice rumor, he tests his staff to make sure it's tight. So we have one guy speculating that Depo has more say than we thought, another guy speculating that McDaniels is the front runner, and several saying Williams isn't really in the running.

How do any of them know? To me, it's all speculation and hearsay.

For GW not even to be in the running or at least strongly considered given the turnaround would reflect not too kindly on those making the decisions. If we win tonight or at least make the rats sweat - man, talk about ballsy/kamikaze. As long as it’s Dorsey and the FO making the hire I’m cool with that and whoever we go with. If it’s owner led, I’ll cry.

If this teams REALLY would like to see GW as their future coach it SHOULD reflect in their effort today. I'd think they'd give all anyway but more so to boost GW higher on the list.

So were destined to suck again next year?

As if Gregg Williams is some great coach and is irreplaceable? We are all damaged goods. The success we have had this year feels good, we don't want things to change. It is possible there are better options, they need to be explored. When they are explored it is likely to be determined that there are better options than Gregg Williams.

This is not the draft. Agents and coaches from outside the organization are involved. They are going to leak stuff.

For me I think most people see us winning now and think wow, GW is a stud and we need to keep this guy. For me its just verification on how bad the previous coach was.

Get the best coach. If it's GW so be it.

I think that's a disservice to GW.

I think there are plenty of coaches who could have stepped in and not done what GW has done. You don't instantly undo all the bad that was Hue overnight by getting rid of him.

jmo - I'm highly impressed with GW and how he turned the team around fast and has instilled confidence, a lot more discipline, and got wins. Today v Ravens is going to be real interesting.

Yep, it's similar to when Brian Hoyer was winning and folks were wanting to franchise tag him or sign him to a huge long term contract.

As you said, go through the process and determine the best coach. If the conclusion is Williams then it's Williams, but go through the process and determine the best possible coach for the future.

Going from the worst ever to averageish is a huge leap.

We've done this before. We get a new coach and he does not like a few players because they do not fit his schemes. So we let them go for a song. Then spend a draft replacing every player they just let go. When the team does not improve then replace the new coach and start over again. It is a cycle of insanity that has to stop. We found a coach that the team plays for. He has an offensive coordinator that the team is responding to and next season will be this teams 3rd year in his defense. For heavens sake they need to leave this alone.

There is some magic present in this chemistry with the GW and Co. turnaround for us. The folks talking of GW being gone automatically or kept, or being interviewed or not, usually with Kitchens as well, seem to be seeing this wrong potentially IMO. It is not JUST a HC search and rationalization for the decision arrived at. Something tangible and proven will get lost and need replaced if possible.
These winning coaches are not static in a vacuum, just sitting through this process. Before we decide on a HC and chuck all this winning nonsense and the chemistry I think is solid to build upon, are these coaches leaving if not kept as HC? What are their terms for staying? Would they work for the Browns if a new HC is placed and continue as coordinators?
For a new hire, probably with some people of his own, we should not throw out the success for the unknown. The current two are in an arguably stronger position with a big draft, Dorsey, a big cap, and some attractiveness to FA's targeted.
And to be clear, I am not opposed to new coaching if demonstrably needed. But these guys seem to have upside and have done more than I thought possible, especially in this amount of time. Keeping them for another year might be wise unless you know otherwise.

Remember when the team played for Hue Jackson? That should hardly be the criteria for a good coach.

Also, John Dorsey is in charge of the roster, not the coach. The notion that we would tear down anything because of a new coach is a farce. If anything we would be cutting ancillary players (like we did this year).

All I care about is hiring the best possible person. If that person is Gregg Williams? Great! I don't think it will be determined that Gregg Williams is the best person for the job.

This team never played for Hue and never won for Hue. A new coach will want players that fit his scheme. We have scene that over and over. Dorsey has been a great GM but he would make a huge mistake to not bring back Williams as head coach.

Exactly. This notion that Dorsey would hire someone that doesn't share his vision and would require a teardown is silly.

If they hire a new coach sit back and watch what happens.

So John Dorsey is going to hire someone knowing that person wants to get rid of the players he drafted?

He did not draft every player on this roster.

To be fair, you also claimed Manziel was a better QB than Baker and that Dorsey completely blew it drafting Baker and said Dorsey should be fired for it.

I think Dorsey should have earned your trust by now. Let the process play out.

You are right I totally missed on Baker. Thought his off the field antics would cause another Manziel situation. He does need to clean things up with his actions. See the fine he got for last weeks game. Character is a huge part of success.

At the start of the season there were only 20 players on the roster from the 2017 team. That includes Myles Garrett, David Njoku, Joel Bitonio, Kevin Zeitler, JC Tretter, Jabrill Peppers, Joe Schobert, Duke Johnson, Larry Ogunjobi, Charley Hughlett, and Britton Colquitt. None of those guys are going anywhere. Some of those 20 are already gone (Josh Gordon, Zane Gonzalez, and James Burgess). That leaves Rashard Higgins, Christian Kirksey, Seth DeValve, Trevon Coley, BBC, and Jamie Collins. None of the last guys are essential to the future of the team.

According to Cleveland.com and mkc... Greg William's is out after this game.

https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1079482000434704388?s=19

Fine. Here's hoping they fire everyone, hire a new staff with new schemes and the new DC runs a 3-4. Then we can try to make Garrett a OLB and when he fails at that we can all him a bust and trade him for a fifth round pick. That sounds very Browns like. Maybe we hire a pass happy OC and throw the ball 50 times a game. That would be awesome. You act as if hiring a new coach is an automatic win. We have been there before. New coach means new systems and he WILL want to rid himself of a lot of these players so he can get HIS guys that fit HIS systems. But taking a step back and rebooting everything sounds fun. lmao

Felt for awhile they would hire Freddie as the new HC. Nothing has changed that opinion at all.

According to multiple sources Freddie is not a candidate.

Coaching search will seriously ramp up after this beat down in Baltimore concludes...expect clean sweep myself after team looks totally outclassed in this game.

just my $0.02

They already told GW he is out. See post above.
https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1079482000434704388?s=19

If Williams is out I'm okay with it..Dorsey hires a guy and that's his guy.. That doesn't mean the Team will fall apart..Too much young talent with an attitude to win.

Who knows the next guy could be the guy we have been waiting on...

I see exciting times ahead ... I don't think Dorsey is going to risk the Browns becoming a great team.

Wrong thread.

Read your own link. That is not what it says. The Tweet is clickbait.

"Still has not done enough to lock that job up. . ."

"Isn't considered the front-runner. . ."

I won’t believe a word of what comes out between now and the hire other than WHO WE SEE AT THE AIRPORT AND GO INTO THE BUILDING or if King John goes somewhere ...

The rest is BS ... clickbait as u said ...

What about when a guy is seen with a real estate agent in strongsville?

Interviews and the such will be announced, right now we know nothing.