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Can you make just one post that contains your own thoughts and is not centered around criticizing others for their opinions?
Sheesh man! It's a discussion board. If I don't agree with an opinion I'm going to express that. On the other hand your post is just another aggressive, antagonistic post intended to inflame and start a fight. If we wait a bit we'll see you claim to be a victim too.
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I am not usually overly impressed or disappointed w/coaches in the NFL...........but I think Freddie Kitchens designs some excellent plays.
The dude gets us into some extremely favorable match ups where guys come wide open and where we have very good protection.
I truly hope we keep Kitchens. He is light years ahead of Haley. I do too! Once in a while he gets a little too gimmicky and often at maybe the wrong time. But really, like Baker can we not say he's still cutting his coaching teeth so to speak? I think he's young and promising and understands his players capabilities. Mix in experience and I see huge promise in him. I hope he gets plenty of consideration. I'd hate to eventually regret a rash decision to send him packing.
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Somebody tell Baker, No Quarterback has ever thrown 5 Td passes for 19 consecutive games, in one year.
And tell him he can't either, Ain't No Way!
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Again, Interesting perspective to pin all the blame on Baker and his one play or one drive. You just described the entire NFL. This is what most games come down to. If people are expecting 38-10 games all the time, they are going to be severely disappointed. This is why franchise QBs are so important. Baker only delivered against poor Ds this year. There's no reason to think he won't improve and that he will have many signature wins in his career. It would have been cool if he got one today. I also think it would have sewn up OROY for him as well.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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so on another note, any thoughts on gregg williams potentially giving the league the blueprint to stop lamar and the run game?
that 4th quarter adjustment we saw where the d line condensed in the middle was simply beautiful, and more importantly, worked.
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Baker just had one of the best rookie QB Seasons of all time... He did it playing for the then 1-31 Browns. He put up 300+ yards of passing yardage twice this season against the NFL's best D... The only other QB to do that this year was Mahomes. We were driving for the win ....
You're welcome to your opinion, but I think your criteria for judging our Rookie QB might be a little off.
As for Baker showing his arse, can you elaborate? Other than his obvious dislike and disdain for Hue ... What exacting he done to show his arse in the NFL? If you are going to stare down your ex-coach and call him fake in the media, back it up on the field. He responds with "I don't care" when the media asks him to address it. He's showing his arse. Before you get ahead of yourself, I know where you are going with this. I don't really have to much of an issue with any of it. I prefer he didn't do it, but I think there's a lot of merit when fans point out that he's only done it to Hue and Baker appears to be a player's player and good with other coaches and players. So I am not really in that camp that is overly criticizing him for it. I prefer he didn't do it, but I'm not overly criticizing it either. But if you are going to do those things, back it up. He choked today, plain and simple. It doesn't mean he always will, and it doesn't mean he won't again. But he did today. He failed to do the most important thing he was supposed to do today. Lead his team to a win. I agree with everything except the choking part... And for me he has absolutely backed up his attitude with his play.
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so on another note, any thoughts on gregg williams potentially giving the league the blueprint to stop lamar and the run game?
that 4th quarter adjustment we saw where the d line condensed in the middle was simply beautiful, and more importantly, worked. I agree. That was pretty genius.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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The final 3 plays that mattered for the Browns offense.
They couldn't try anything that would give pass protection for anything more than a one option instant throw low percentage, even after it wasn't working.
Pass protection maybe.
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Rapier like wit ... Well done.
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so on another note, any thoughts on gregg williams potentially giving the league the blueprint to stop lamar and the run game?
that 4th quarter adjustment we saw where the d line condensed in the middle was simply beautiful, and more importantly, worked. Romo brought up a good point during the game. If a team wants to go to a high school defense, why not play a 5 man front? That is called a 50 defense and that particular defense is designed to stop the run. We ran it when I coached and we played Cover 3 behind it. Cover 3 is where your two Corners and FS are responsible for a third of the field. The SS plays closer to the LOS and helps on the edge against wide running plays and covers the flat and pot passes [which is quick over the middle passes to the TE] in the passing game. I'd like to see a team do that against Baltimore in the playoffs.
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so on another note, any thoughts on gregg williams potentially giving the league the blueprint to stop lamar and the run game?
that 4th quarter adjustment we saw where the d line condensed in the middle was simply beautiful, and more importantly, worked. I wanna KNOW WHAT TOOK SO DAMM LONG ... Thats the part that peed me off the most about this game ... I’m with BONE ... VERY DISSAPOINTED in that aspect ... LOVE THIS TEAM ... CAN’T WAIT FOR NEXT YEAR .... LETS GOOOOOOOooooooooo Thats was SO MUCH FUN ... Look how far we’ve come dawgs ... and look at the LANDSCAPE FOR NEXT YEAR ...  WOOF WOOF WOOF ...
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Dude. How about you just let some people express their opinions and express your own?
This thread was actually moving along fairly well. Please stop polluting it w/your agenda and need to control things.
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How much did they adjust to what we were doing?
You guys are being too critical of the coaching staff.
These guys are doing a good job.
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so on another note, any thoughts on gregg williams potentially giving the league the blueprint to stop lamar and the run game?
that 4th quarter adjustment we saw where the d line condensed in the middle was simply beautiful, and more importantly, worked. I agree. That was pretty genius. I call it COMMON SENSE .... AH WELL ... Gonna have fun and stay positive tonight ... LETS GOOOOOOoooooooooooo ITS GOOD TO BE US ...
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Rapier like wit ... Well done. Well, you deserved that type of a response. When you make a comment that Baker only delivered against the worst defenses in the league. Yet he had over 700 yards passing and 4 TD's in 2 games against the best D in the league you're gonna get that.
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I just want to say thank you to my Brownies. I haven't been this proud of the team in a long time.
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Yep, things are looking up, Looch.
I haven't been this encouraged in a long, long time.
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There's one guy detailing thethread... That's you.
The guy I responded to had a discussion with me. You just tried to be a bully and insult. Yeah, I know, it's what you do. .... Please stop.
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I believe that Freddie Kitchens is a more valuable coach going forward than Williams. If they choose to elevate him to HC, I have no qualms
you had a good run Hank.
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I believe that Freddie Kitchens is a more valuable coach going forward than Williams. If they choose to elevate him to HC, I have no qualms I think this will be dependent on two things: 1. What Dorsey has witnessed in Kitchens around the building. Does he have the skillset to be a HC? 2. What Kitchens plan is a for a staff.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I believe that Freddie Kitchens is a more valuable coach going forward than Williams. If they choose to elevate him to HC, I have no qualms I don’t think kitchens is even on the long list. I think Dorsey already knows who he wants. I think he knew last year
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Me? Vers or Rish ??? Not sure who deserved the response?
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I believe that Freddie Kitchens is a more valuable coach going forward than Williams. If they choose to elevate him to HC, I have no qualms I think Williams decisions today cost him any shot that he had at being the HC next season. I don't mind him continuing on as our DC tho.
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How much did they adjust to what we were doing?
You guys are being too critical of the coaching staff.
These guys are doing a good job. Teach me bro .... i’m Not sure what the heck we were doing ... i actually thought a few times .. well i got some questions for Vers ... cause i dont get it and it may be cause i’mnotknowlegable enough ... PLEASE tell me what i’m missing ... LETS TALK FOOTBALL and X’s and O’s .... Ignore the posse .... please tell me what the heck we were doing inthe beggining .... there was to many plays with no one inthe middle fo the field .. and i’m Not talking about the TD where Collins messed up ... QUITE FRANKLY ... it shouldn’t be that hard ... And what took so long to go to that front and alignment ... Talk to me Vers ..
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Me? Vers or Rish ??? Not sure who deserved the response?
It was obviously intended for me. I've created quite the stir. Message received: Don't criticize Mayfield.
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I also must admit: Njoku really came a long ways this year. He's progressed nicely, and it was evident today
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I just don't see the meteoric rise to HC for Kitchens. Not for another year or two while continuing what he's started.
I agree with whoever just said Dorsey probably knows exactly who be wants. Will do his due diligence regardless.
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so on another note, any thoughts on gregg williams potentially giving the league the blueprint to stop lamar and the run game?
that 4th quarter adjustment we saw where the d line condensed in the middle was simply beautiful, and more importantly, worked. Romo brought up a good point during the game. If a team wants to go to a high school defense, why not play a 5 man front? That is called a 50 defense and that particular defense is designed to stop the run. We ran it when I coached and we played Cover 3 behind it. Cover 3 is where your two Corners and FS are responsible for a third of the field. The SS plays closer to the LOS and helps on the edge against wide running plays and covers the flat and pot passes [which is quick over the middle passes to the TE] in the passing game. I'd like to see a team do that against Baltimore in the playoffs. I'm interested What would hold a DC back from this? It isn't the trend? Are they stuck running the flavor(s) of the day defenses? I've always said someone should go old school. That possibly the new era coaches have not studied the past and couldnt react well to some old style systems busted out on them. Probably not a front you'd want to present all the time but maybe enough of a wrinkle to counter a serious run game like we saw today. Interesting subject as I like getting nostalgic!
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I also must admit: Njoku really came a long ways this year. He's progressed nicely, and it was evident today A lot of guys developed this year. I think that is a direct reflection on the coaching staff and Baker. Imagine having an alpha like Baker and not wanting to let him down. It's no coincidence that teams with franchise QBs have players that play "better". Even the players on the Browns team have talked about that this year. How the very real chance of winning every game gets guys up. As opposed to Kizer, who played most of the GB game today. GB laid down. They knew they had no chance to win.
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It was obviously intended for me.
I've created quite the stir.
Message received: Don't criticize Mayfield.
i hope nobody is ripping you for the critique. cause mayfield was certainly off today. there were definitely more than a few easy throws he just flat out missed. and that 1st pick was inexcusable. i think people are reacting to the choking part. i dunno if its fair to put the choke label on a rookie. atleast thats my individual stance on it.
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good points Rish .. the entire OL developed as well. As we've said for years, a FQB changes everything
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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We can agree to disagree. That's cool.
I think he choked. Again, I don't think it means he always will or he won't ever again, but I see him still searching for that signature win.
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No. He lost it on his last carry. He'll surely have a chip on his shoulder oing into the 2019 season.
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Like swish just said, criticize away. Baker is not perfect and has lots of room to grow. He had an up and down day. But I think the choke label is way out of the realms of reality for a rookie playing the best D in the league on their home turf.
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How much did they adjust to what we were doing?
You guys are being too critical of the coaching staff.
These guys are doing a good job. Teach me bro .... i’m Not sure what the heck we were doing ... i actually thought a few times .. well i got some questions for Vers ... cause i dont get it and it may be cause i’mnotknowlegable enough ... PLEASE tell me what i’m missing ... LETS TALK FOOTBALL and X’s and O’s .... Ignore the posse .... please tell me what the heck we were doing inthe beggining .... there was to many plays with no one inthe middle fo the field .. and i’m Not talking about the TD where Collins messed up ... QUITE FRANKLY ... it shouldn’t be that hard ... And what took so long to go to that front and alignment ... Talk to me Vers .. Let me calm down a bit. I'm so sick of listening to guys like 888 who have to dominate every freaking conversation to fuel their dumb ass agendas and then they act like others aren't talking football when we already were.
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We can agree to disagree. That's cool.
I think he choked. Again, I don't think it means he always will or he won't ever again, but I see him still searching for that signature win. Just because he choked doesn’t mean he isn’t good, how many playoff games did manning choke. It happens. But needing 10 yards and to throw 3 uncatchable balls and a pick in 4 passes is choking. It happens. I still think kitchens did nothing to help. That series could have been called better after the Landry catch
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Good post. He didn't choke. But, he is not above criticism.
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It was obviously intended for me.
I've created quite the stir.
Message received: Don't criticize Mayfield.
i hope nobody is ripping you for the critique. cause mayfield was certainly off today. there were definitely more than a few easy throws he just flat out missed. and that 1st pick was inexcusable. i think people are reacting to the choking part. i dunno if its fair to put the choke label on a rookie. atleast thats my individual stance on it. The first pick was tipped.
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