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Was watching one of the shows on ESPN around noon and they were discussing the coaching changes and they said that the Haslams were not part of the search committee for the new Head Coach.

I would be happy for this. Haslam is not a football guy. He pays people to be football guys.

Hopefully the entire committee is...

Dorsey,


Mayfield,


a couple packs of gum.

Flippin hilarious!!

Reid hired Dorsey.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that John, Jimmy and Dee have already had a meeting and that they are all on the same page. I don't think I've seen anything that indicates adversarial opinions.

I think we all hope this is Dorsey's decision
I think we all fear that the Haslam's will butt in too much
I think none of us know how much input the Haslam's will actually have

What if we all bought the Haslams some rubber stamps on Amazon?

If Mary is correct I’ll be happy. I just have a hard time believing Jimmy is going to just hire Dorsey’s recommendation.

No, I don't think that. I have never said that. I am simply saying that the haslams have to sign off, which is another way of saying that they have the final say.

They will go to the dinners and sit in on the interviews, and as Vers said, hopefully everybody is in agreement.

I am just saying that Dorsey isn't going to walk in to Haslams office and and introduce him to the next coach of the Browns, as some people want to believe.

Just a opinion here...I watched Dorseys press conference. He looked nervous when talking about how the hire process is going to go down. I wonder if the Haslams are starting to press him on one candidate or another?

I felt like Dorsey was trying to walk a tight rope. On one hand he's trying to be tight lipped about who he might be considering, which would fit his MO if you look at the Draft. But on the other hand he still has to give the reporters/fans something because it's such an important issue.

What makes this super difficult is that its not like we're dealing with a blank slate at the coaching positions right? It's not a Week 17 firing where the standard non-committal answers will suffice. Under what's currently in place this franchise has hit goal after goal after goal and I don't think anyone would describe the successes we've had as luck or unsustainable.

Personally I'd like to see us keep what we have in place but having said that I do recognize the importance of this committee doing it's due diligence. It's why it doesn't bother me and I don't expect an immediate announcement if they are retained. Even so, by committing himself to due diligence and looking at other options, he still has to justify not immediately buying in to the "If it ain't broke..." mantra.

It's a real delicate position to be in. And let's not overlook the fact that he finds himself unexpectedly in a unique position.

As far as his presentation to the Haslams on a candidate, I would expect a thorough and detailed presentation not unlike what he'll expect from the candidates themselves.

I just hope Gase or McaDaniels or whoever isn't forced. I hope it's the right choice for the right reasons

No doubt it is going to be a hard decision. Like you said, Williams and Kitchens have given them a lot to think about.

I saw a poll on cleveland dot com..who do the people want as coach....Arians was 2nd with 800 something votes. Williams had like 4500. Moving on to a new staff is going to create a stir with many not very happy.

I am not saying that should be the deciding factor, but it is a factor. If they blow it, they blow it in a big way because I would bet the locker room is probably in favor of keeping the guys we have by a similar or even greater percentage than the fan poll.

Interesting times these next few weeks. Do we hire a new staff? Do we keep the same staff? Do we hire Kitchens and jettison Williams?

Why would we want to brake something that took nearly 20 years to fix?

I want to keep continuity.....but I want a Leader.

One of the only people I would consider from the outside to bring in as HC is Harbaugh.

He is the type of HC that could guide the franchise to a SB without flipping over the coordinator apple cart.

Thought this was worth sharing - discussion on the most desirable HC gigs out there. Obviously in line with what a lot of us have been saying for a while.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...s-most-alluring

I don't get it.

What's u guys problem with Gase?

Miami's Roster SUCKS.

They HAVE NO QB.

He's an inveterate [censored] that struggles to manage veterans, including Jarvis Landry.

I do believe if it is Gase, Landry will ask to be traded. Gase was the main reason for Landry pressing to leave Miami.

I would LOVE TO SEE your “other” team fire there HC and for us to hire him ...

I think Jay’s a damm good coach in a rotten situation in Washington ...

LIKE NOW ... he said at his season ending presser he’s waiting to hear his fate ... it’s Wednesday STILL NO WORD ... no management changes there that we know if ...

Why is he still dangling in the wind ... u should have known by Sunday what u were gonna do ... not like u need game 17 to make a decision .. ENOUGH DATA is all ready there ..

I really like Gruden .. hope your other team (if they still are ..) fires him ...

I think Gase knows the game and what he’s done on the field is pretty good ...

IF he learned in Miami he cant be a DICTATOR like Billicheck witch is the sense i get .... he could be a great hire .. question is .. how the hell do u know .. *L* ...

MCDaniels is the one i want nuttin to do with .. he comes across as an arrogant ass ... that don’t change .. plus .. how in rthe heck do u EVER TRUST him .. people make mistakes .. what he did was a CHARACTER FLAW to me ...

King John is CASTING A WIDE BUTT NET and leaving no stone unturned ...

That’s a ll we can ask at this point ...

Agreed, to a point.

I also trust Dorsey, but I'll have a harder time believing that he chose Gase if that is the eventual hire.

Now, for the record, Dorsey could bring him in to interview at Haslam's request, and Gase could address the reports, document his missteps, and offer a plan to reconcile with Landry. In that scenario, he's someone that I could get behind.

But I'm quite skeptical that's the case.

Gase and many other head coaches cannot deal with big personalities.
Apparently when Gase wasn't happy with players in Miami, he threatened to trade them to Cleveland. He was threatened by Landry's vocal leadership and guess what happened? Landry was shipped off to Cleveland.

Speaks volumes about Landry's character though. He could have approached this with a loser mentality, but instead, he committed to helping lead this team in a turn around just to show everyone how great he really is.

Gase may know his Xs and Os, but he is not suited to lead this team.

Great minds think alike ... *L*

Williams and Kitchens work for this locker room and Cleveland.

The entire city has been looked down upon by the league and the country and the locker room is filled with players that are fighting to overcome their doubters and naysayers. That type of stuff forms a bond among men when you are going through it. The worst type of coach that you can bring in is the golden boy type that feels that they have nothing to prove.

Williams and Kitchens work.
Williams would have been a permanent head coach a long time ago if not for bounty gate and Kitchens is perceived as a guy that has been passed over from time to time because he is true to himself and his dress style and manner of speaking comes off as unsophisticated. They are both fighting uphill battles.

This just works for Cleveland, and if you have doubts, just look at the results on the field.

If my choice is Gase or Landry .. I'm choosing Landry. Landry, as a player, has already done more for the team in attitude, leadership and production than Gase has shown he can do as a Head Coach, during his time in Miami.

This is the way I feel. Its awfully risky to go adjusting something that is working currently.

What happens if we adjust the coaching staff and we're not winning? Unacceptable.

I really really don't like the fact that if new coaches are brought in they're probably going to bring in a different offensive playbook. I want the process to be as easy as possible for Mayfield. If him and the offense have to re-learn everything I am not for that. What happens if the offensive scheme doesn't work as well as what we currently have? Unacceptable.

I trust Dorsey to make the right decision but we've all preached continuity over the past years. If you really compare the coaching staff we have right now with what's out there, in my opinion, not many of them are an upgrade. So you potentially not only don't get an upgrade but also have the risk factor as well. To me an insider who is already familiar with the team has an edge.

It is a complex situation though. One thing I don't know is how Gregg Williams or Kitchens feels about things. Do they want to be the head coach if chosen? Is there that desire and is it genuine for the right reasons? If head coach and other positions were contract-to-hire like in the real world and a decision is made after the contract to say yes\no to hire someone, I would say Yes to the current structure. I just don't see how an outsider coming in could do anything but muddle the situation. Maybe whoever chosen could change my mind but that's just how I feel.

The lone voice talking ill of Cleveland? Silver. Imagine that.

I don't have a favorite HC candidate but I do feel Mike McCarthy and JD would get along fine since they know each other so well. Also, MM might go along with keeping FK as OC. The only question is if Baker is OK with MM. I feel Baker will have some input as well.

The man has a Billion dollars invested, anyone that thinks he's not going to be involved is only using a small percentage of their brain LOL

I'd like to see what Williams can do with a book end for Garrett and some bulk at DT. I'd like to see what Kitchens can do with a #1 WR. And get a damn kicker.

Kitchens is making up some innovative plays. He isnt afraid to do different things and they are working he seems to be very smart and innovative. We haven't been able to execute a bubble screen in 15 years he is light years ahead of past coaches. We need to keep him.

This. Everybody in Miami hates Gase. The fans hate him. The players hate him. That guy is a cancer and I don't want him on my team.

Let's not screw it up.

I watched that same press conference. I did not sense any “nervousness” whatsoever. I think he knows how it will work and he is fine with it.

I fully understand what I see or thought I saw could very easily be viewed differently by other eyes. The fact you and others see it differently makes me feel better.

I guess I'm not understanding your point. Haslam is ABSOLUTELY going to be involved, but that doesn't mean he's going to do whatever he wants regardless of how the search goes and who Dorsey recommends. Is that what you're saying, that the search is meaningless and Haslam's going to hire whomever he wants?