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I see the revisionists are out in full force.

I don't think anyone here is saying they'd rather have Sashi as GM. But I think some of us realize that Dorsey wouldn't be in the Executive of the year running without the Sashi regime's previous work. The revisionists are trying to rewrite history to fit their narrative.

The revisionists want you to believe that Sashi was so bad that there isn't a head coach on the planet who could have won more than 1 game those two years.

The revisionists want you to believe Dorsey came in here and did a complete overhaul of the roster. They won't ever mention that over half our starters were from the previous regime, including 7 of the 11 starting defenders as well as the heart of our offensive line. They just want you to know about the role players that we didn't resign or traded away or released that aren't any better or worse than the role players we acquired To replace them. Oh, and that one guy who plays quarterback that no one in the world would have drafted first overall except Dorsey. To them, that's a complete overhaul.

I'm not trying to discredit Dorsey, but the acquisition of QB has far more to do with our resurgence than the other acquisitions he made maybe combined. If Tyrod was our QB for all 16 games, do we win 7? 5? 3?

Hmm, the idea each year is to get more talented. And we have been. We are more talented than last year and more talented last year than the year before. We could fire Dorsey and hire a new GM tomorrow, go on to win the Super Bowl, and do you think Dorsey should get any of the credit?

Kudos to the refs for deleting some of the more insulting posts.

That's fine, Sashi missed on some picks. But don't act like Dorsey hasn't.

j/c:

None of us knows the answer to this question, but what are your opinions on the following:

Sashi let good players walk in Mack, Schwartz, Gipson, Benji, etc. He cut other guys like like Gabriel, Haden, Grecco, etc.

Do you guys think that Dorsey is going to do a better job of keeping our better players than Sashi did or will he do the same thing?

Winning solves everything.

We will have an easier time retaining players because players want to be here.

I'll give you Schwartz and that maybe his contract shouldn't have been rescinded... But blaming Sashi for Mack leaving is like blaming Dorsey for Joe Thomas retiring.

Collins is a good player, but I don't expect him to be retained and I won't blame Dorsey for that... I'll be curious to see how many do.

C'mon, man..... Dorsey isn't going to start dumping good players. He's the one who brought most of them here.

LOL

You keep lowering your hands and ask for it.

Why?



Don't ask for it, then get mad when people do

Dorsey has already dumped good players... the revisionists will spin it that they weren't good players, however. It is interesting how some will spin things to fit their agenda...

3 all pros 1draft excellent
Starting linebacker 5th round
Potential all pro in Calloway excellent
5-3 interim head coach
Trading Kiser for anything
Dorsey gm of the year
Of the drafting of mayfield equals the colts entire draft

I agree. A strong case can be made for Ballard, but they already had Andrew Luck. His return to health was huge.

I think that Dorsey did more in regards to acquiring talent than Ballard. People can insult others as much as they want, but I highlighted all the new players in the very first post. That isn't making things up. That isn't revising history. That isn't baiting. It's a fact.

I believe that Baker, Taylor, and Stanton is light-years ahead of Kiser, Kessler, and Hogan.

I believe Chubb is a better back than Crow.

I believe Landry, Callaway, Perriman, etc are better than Britt, Coleman, and Louis.

I believe Ward, Mitchell, Carey, and Gains are better than the dudes we had last year.

I believe that Randall is far superior at FS than Peppers was last year. I also think being able to move Peppers closer to the LOS helped the defense.

That's not revisionist history. Instead, they are opinions on the state of the roster. I don't think much of that is all that debatable, but I won't resort to lame-ass character attacks if someone disagrees w/my takes.

Well... I don't think anyone has really disagreed with you here. What they are disagreeing with is the notion that Sashi was garbage and had zero influence on the current state of the Browns. Dorsey is reaping the benefits of what Sashi started and that's fine. Some of us want to acknowledge him, while others want to rewrite history.

Like trading Devin McCourty a top-ranked cornerback AGAIN this year and then signing TJ Carrie to a ridiculous contract?

Or

Cutting Carl Nassib for Anthony Zettel?

Or

Trading Danny Shelton, then trading for Davaroe Lawrence as his replacement only to cut him a month later? And people's biggest concern this year was stopping the run? I wonder why?

But yeah, it's the vague roster turnover rhetoric that makes all the difference in one year, right? That's what I'm supposed to buy into?

Not the #1 draft pick & finally getting a franchise QB?
Not Denzel Ward and his amazing play early on before he got injured
Not Myles Garrett, the best young pass rusher in the NFL and was named an all-pro
Not Jabrill Peppers who was one of the best SS in the NFL this season?
Not the second best offensive line in the NFL and whose interior was ranked #1 in both pass protection AND run blocking?
Not David Njoku, one of the best, young, athletic TEs who was top 10 in yards and receptions among all TEs, in only his second year?
Not Nick Chubb, who after being thrust into the starting role flourished and almost hit 1000 in his rookie season, not able to start of full slate of games?
Not Joe Schobert who went to the Pro Bowl last season and is the defensive leader?

No, no....I'm supposed to believe it's the "60%" overall roster turnover, the majority of which are reserves/backups and a good chunk make up the last ranked special teams unit as the reason for the quick turnaround

No, ladies and gentleman, that's not what happened to the Cleveland Browns in 2018. It all centers around finally getting the QB (and Dorsey deserves all the credit in the world for getting) and we're seeing how it has amplified the talent and energy on both sides of the ball. Like devicedawg said, if Tyrod started the entire season, the "roster turnover" argument would have never existed. Funny how that works.

Again, where do you get that Sashi wasn't allowed to fire Hue?

Hue didn't report to Sashi. He reported to Haslem.

Well then that makes the statement I questioned even more odd..

Don't forget signing Hyde only to trade him midseason. I recall the bellyaching that a 5th rd pick wasn't good enough.

Now don't get me wrong, I do think Landry is better than Britt, but the price we paid to acquire him was a bit much.

I like Ward over McCourty but McCourty was one of the better corners in the league last year.

Where is Chad Thomas? Sashi would have been crucified for that pick. The story will always change to fit the narrative.

So we disgree on a few points. I don't fault Dorsey for making the Hyde signing OR trade. He signed Hyde not knowing Chubb or any other RB he may have liked would be there in the 2nd. And the trade? If he felt he could get something from Hyde and push Chubb into the starting role, then so be it. And it worked out. Plus I think Hyde's deal was essentially a one-year contract. With Landry, I was ok with giving up the 4th round pick. It was overpaying him I have the issue with. Still do. The stupid trade was Tyrod for a 3rd. There is no sugar-coating that, IMO.

I like Ward over McCourty too but getting one doesn't stop you from having another. And McCourty was a top CB again this year. I believe #5 according to PFF. What was funny to see was how many people wanted to cut Haden in 2016 but the moment he was cut the following year, people were like..."Damn you, Sashi!"

Actually, I felt Crow was a better option than Hyde. I didn't care for the signing, but he had to get someone for Hue since he burned Crow. I was ok with it but even more happy trading him for a 5th rd pick.

I wanted no part of Landry but he's not bad. He wasn't great here but I can hope he's better next year like i'm told he will be. There were better value options.

I actually liked the tyrod deal, but I can see the reasons for the dislike.

I didn't like the Tretter signing by Sashi, but you could argue he's the best center in the league today.

Im just not in the Sashi was crap, Dorsey is god group as some.

maybe I'm mistaken but didn't we trade McCourty as a courtesy to him. We were just going to cut him...which makes it even more crazy. Def. not a good move by Dorsey. He was a top 20 corner when he played for us. He's def. one we should have held on to

McCourty got the boot because he called out Hue and Dorsey at the end of the 2017 season.

Beat me to it. This was my recollection as well. Said something either to a reporter or on social media.

I think he was put off by the "real players" comment by Dorsey.

And we found out he was right in the end. All it took was for Hue to go and to add a competant QB.

Yeah, the whole 18 players left after one season since he's been gone means he was great. Didn't you know that?

By the beginning of next season it will probably be 10 players or less left from Sashi. What a team builder that guy was! lmao

U know what fella’s ... whatever anyone thinks about Sashi or Dorsey or how u wanna divvy (u know what that means IF i spelled it right ... *L*) up the credit ... one thing i believe we can all agree on is that we hope Dorsey is ULTRA SUCCESFUL HERE ...

Vers, Memph, device, Otis .... anyone disagree with that ... anyone? ....

We ALL WISH DORSEY NOTHING BUT SUCCESS ...

Its FINALLY a good time to be us ... ANY CHANCE we can focus on that and all start rowing in the same direction as opposed to beating this dead horse ...

Regardless of who your horse was in the past ... how about we just start pulling for the NEW HORSE, soon to be HORSES ....

Yup,, without question, Dorsey did a great job this year..Can't wait until next year.

Wait? You are including me w/that group?

I was talking football. I didn't say anything wrong. I expressed my opinion on the matter. I haven't questioned their character or replied any of them. They come in here and question my character and say I am rewriting history, which is not the truth.

Pfffttttt...

In the spirit of moving forward .... witch was the FOCUS of my post .... your the LIGHTING ROD ... how do i not include u? ...

This is what I get for trying ....

Pfft ... *L* ...

INTENT was focusing on moving forward bro .... hope u can see it in that light as it is the proper light to be viewing it in ...

i forgot about that..but to that point..doesn't change my opinion..he was a good player and he was absolutely right to call out Dorsey, that was a dumb comment he made having been there all of a week. Don't get me wrong, love what JD has done, just think that wasn't the best way to say that. Sometimes better not to say anything, especially as inflammatory as that

I see a few other people took the bait last night. What Diam calls lighting rod, I call the instigator.

Vers is determined to die a martyr on the board and nobody is going to stop him.

I'll make him and his posse a deal. In the spirit of peace, tranquility, and little chocolate donuts...



I'll refrain from further posting in this thread under one minor condition. All he and his posse has to do is not use the word "Sashi", refer to the GM before Dorsey, or otherwise to to rewrite history or bait antagonism.

He can talk about how good Dorsey is as much as his heart sees fit. I'll most likely be nodding in agreement. It's not what he really wants to do though. What he desperately wants to do is talk about how bad Sashi was, like the broken record he's been over the last year, desperately trying to get as many people as he can to agree with him.

I honestly don't think he can do it. His posse probably can, but they'll need to check and see if they are allowed to first.

We shall see...

Can we say that only 18 players are left on the starting roster from the previous regime to point out the overall lack of talent Dorsey came into if we don't mention any names?

Can we point out that almost every skill position was replaced all in one season if we don't mention any names?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Can we call you Miss Cleo?

Well as the old saying goes, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

let me tell you something..I'm very grateful your post about telling people who we can or can not talk about on this board has me Irate...

The first Amendment allows to me to have the right to free speech and the freedom of expression... If the Government allows me to do so who in the hell is he or anyone on this board to me I CAN"T ?

There are Fans like the Past ST Louis Rams and the San Diego chargers who would love to have a team that they can DISCUSS FREELY about any member of the organization from Ownership down to players..

It's an insult to my freedoms as an american CITIZEN and as an AMERICAN VETERAN for you to tell me who I can or can not talk about !!!!

This is a football board..Not a kindergarten started by some ridiculous poster who has a love affair with a coach who FAILED this team in the worst ways EVER.

I wonder if you kneel during the National Anthem because you don't like people Talking about HUE jackson..

Those guys were telling me that I couldn't post about Sashi.

I'm sick of your big mouth.

Yeah those two things are connected. lmfao

Why do you keep doing this?