TLDR - there's some insane EV's coming out that are potentially Tesla killers, from design, performance, and price.
So, as most of you know, I'm a huge car enthusiast. And while I love my M6, I'm looking for something thats pushing the envelope, tech and innovation-wise.
One of the thing I battle with is the fact that despite my ride being a twin-turbo V8, and weighing 4400 lbs, I'm still pushing around 430 miles on a 20 gallon tank. On most stretches of long road trips, I have managed to pull 510 on a single tank (note: this was achieved twice in damn near perfect weather conditions, so this isn't common whatsoever). So because of that, I have struggled to pull the trigger on owning a Tesla.
for reference, here's real owners talking about their mileage in Tesla's:
basically, between 220 and 310 on average. Now, there are upsides to owning an electric car like Tesla. if you buy the Tesla model S, X, or performance 3, you get free charging on the over 400 supercharging stations across the country.
If you own anything else, you get charged, but to get to full charge, it's anywhere from a couple bucks to 10 dollars, which is still massive savings compared to gas.
the bigger issue, however, is performance and styling. While Tesla set the standard for what EV cars can really look like, the reality is that they are a one trick pony. The crazy launch times you see in the P100D's are cool, but after a couple launches, the batteries overheat and you have to wait to cool it off if you're tracking it.
Now, obviously most people are tracking their cars, but for car enthusiasts, going 0-60 in under 3 secs is all fun and games until you realize that you can't really go to race events all day with it. Also, the quality of the build and such feels like a typically cheap American vehicle. Just kind of feels slapped together. It's the EV version of the classic American muscle car; quick in a straight line, but not much else.
The thing that works for Tesla is that there really isn't much competition from other manufacturers. Most companies are still lagging way behind in their EV development, and for the companies that do have EV's, they are ugly, cheaply designed/produced, and offer no real driving dynamics.
But now? There's competition. Starting with the new Jaguar I-Pace:
Then, there's the Porsche Mission E, which is being called the Taycan. It has a wagon and a sedan model, with the wagon dropping later this year, and the sports sedan dropping 2020:
and then finally, Audi just dropped their E Tron lineup, featuring an SUV, and hopefully in 2020, their sports sedan EV called the E Tron GT:
Now, obviously the Jag and Audi SUV's are for the gearheads, but the styling and driving dynamics is way more developed than Tesla's Model X.
The Porsche Taycan and Audi E Tron GT are for the enthusiast who want more than just a car that launches fast in a straight line. Those two cars represents the very bright future ahead for EV's, as well as more competition for Tesla.
Also, Porsche has received tons of deposits for the Taycan, and the dealers have told them that the Mission E will go anywhere from 75k to low 90's.
Now obviously thats a lot, but compared to the money people drop for the Model S's? Then you're talking about the build quality reputation, as well as more plants and better-designed logistic management that Porsche, Jaguar, and Audi have.
Anyway, I just wanted to get a discussion going on EV's.
Also, there's this:
If they can figure out how to keep that payload towing up without sacrificing too much loss in battery mileage, its game over.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
don't. im telling you, it might be nice to not have to pay to charge cause there's definitely supercharging stations in the Atlanta area, but you'll be disappointed in the ride/interior quality when you go from the Jag to the Tesla.
just wait, better options - or at least competitive options - are just around the corner, and for the same or even cheaper price.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
yea they are gonna be up there. but i'm going to trade the bimmer in for this, cause i dont like owning two cars, even though they're completely different platforms.
i'm patiently waiting for 2020 for the sports sedan. i like the wagon but i dunno if if im willing to part with the m6 for a wagon.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
i would, simply so you have something to truly compare it to. but thats just my opinion.
the jag, audi, have theirs, and some other companies are developing one.
i guess the best analogy i have is this: lets say we was use to cars, and then the F-150 dropped.
is the F-150 a great truck? or is it a decent truck, but its one of a kind so there's really nothing to compare it to?
i know a couple people with the Model S and they absolutely love it. there's also people who love their Model 3 and wouldn't buy anything else.
So if you're looking for the standard EV car where its good range, looks good, and a great stop n go traffic grocery getter, then a Tesla is a great buy, especially with their free supercharging networks.
but if you're looking for a real drivers car, something that you can take to the track or hit corners on the backroad after work, then wait for the jag, audi, and porsche. i was just saying that for my personal taste, i wouldn't buy a tesla.
but obviously there's even cheaper EV's out there, like the chevy Bolt or the nissan leaf, but those are hideous.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
But a bolt or leaf can’t charge at a Tesla supercharging station, because it isn’t authenticated when it’s plugged in. car companies have to pay licensing fees in order to access Tesla charging stations. But Tesla’s have an adapter to charge at any charging port.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I have loved the Tesla since it saw a YOUTUBE of it about 11 years ago, but I have a question that I don't; think was addressed in the article.
How long does the average EV take to recharge fully from really low levels? I am only thinking if it was my primary vehicle, and I wanted to go on vacation 12-14 hours away, if it takes 1-2 hours to recharge that would add significant time to my drive.
Plus I am sure 5-10 years from charging stations will be everywhere, but how available are they now.
From almost dead, the supercharging stations will get your the Tesla to about 80% in 15-20 minutes.
The charging at home are the ones that take a while to charge, but it’s not a concern when you’re pretyt much charging it overnight.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Does anyone know how the charging stations get their electricity? (Coal-powered plant, solar farm, etc) I'm legitimately curious. Also their load on the grid would be interesting to know.
I'll definitely be waiting a while for economies of scale to bring prices down... And issues to show up and be fixed.
Love the concept.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I know this probably seems a bit glum, but one of the biggest things helping to keep motorcycling safe (in my eyes) was the noise. I imagine accident rates will go up when you can't hear them coming or going.
To be fair with Harley riders, they typically cruise, not ride st ridiculous speeds like the crotch rocket guys. I’ll be worried once the others start making electric crotch rockets.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I will take one of the Audi E-Tron GTs. To whom do I write the check?
Yea, it’s either the taycan or the GT for me.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
To be fair with Harley riders, they typically cruise, not ride st ridiculous speeds like the crotch rocket guys. I’ll be worried once the others start making electric crotch rockets.
For the Audi, most likely around 75k after delivery. That’s base, no options though. Well equipped might be low 90’s
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
seriously though, in my experience, loud pipes means somebody is gonna wreck soon.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
seriously though, in my experience, loud pipes means somebody is gonna wreck soon.
True. I'm out here in Amish country - about to pass a buggy on a busy road last summer, Harley behind me, as I'm passing - his loud pipes let me know he was going full stunt driver - passing me to the far right AND the buggy. He's lucky I quickly got around the buggy and hit the brakes or he was toast... barely ducked in before hitting a car head on.
Bro, and everyone else for that matter, what are you thoughts on the future of EV?
What will make you switch? What features do you need to see transfer from ICE cars (internal combustion engine) to full EVs!
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
My concerns would be access to charging stations and if you go on a road trip, how long does it take to charge a car to full that is near empty?
I think the hybrid concept is the most practical.
Tesla Model S Battery charge time: 76.75 to 96.7h at 110V, 8.5 to 10.72h at 220V, 1.33h at 440V
Thanks. Not sure how long you can drive on a battery, but those fill up times turn me off.
Well honey, time for a recharge....might as well get a hotel room for the next 2 days.
Those are not the charging times at superchargers. Those are the charging times for your adapter at home.
Again, to get to 80% charge at a supercharger takes 15-20 minutes.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
My concerns would be access to charging stations and if you go on a road trip, how long does it take to charge a car to full that is near empty?
I think the hybrid concept is the most practical.
Tesla Model S Battery charge time: 76.75 to 96.7h at 110V, 8.5 to 10.72h at 220V, 1.33h at 440V
Thanks. Not sure how long you can drive on a battery, but those fill up times turn me off.
Well honey, time for a recharge....might as well get a hotel room for the next 2 days.
Those are not the charging times at superchargers. Those are the charging times for your adapter at home.
Again, to get to 80% charge at a supercharger takes 15-20 minutes.
I saw that, just didn't have time to reply. That isn't bad. I still see a problem unless as E-car gain popularity charging stations have slots for maybe 100 cars. You pull in and have to wait for even 2-3 cars to charge.
I still think hybrid is the way.
I rented a few on my Browns tips this year. In time they will have to improve acceleration speed when you start to still keep it in electric mode and improve how long you can drive on electric power before the gas engine kicks in to charge the battery. I can see that improving.
You know, be able to drive down to the grocery store 6 miles away, not going over 40 or so and never fire up the gas engine.
In time I am sure E-cars will meet demands, but for now, I don't see it as a roadtrip car.
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