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Was looking at a couple PD articles on top free agents...

https://www.cleveland.com/expo/sports/g6...ncart_big-photo

https://www.cleveland.com/expo/sports/g66l-2019/01/326d8acf78386/browns-2019-nfl-free-agency-op.html


If we were to grab one (or more) from each list...What would be your...

- Dream Scenario - We have a boatload of money and decide to create the Biggest Baddest Line on the planet
- Pricey but plausible - This would be a big splash in Free agency and probable costly...but something that you think "could" actually happen...even if not likely
- I'm the GM and will be responsible... or most likely real world scenario

for me....

My dream scenario...
DT- Grady Jarrett
DT- Michael Pierce(R)
DE- Trey Flowers

I think we are lean in the DT area outside of Ogunjobi...and those 2 in a rotation with Ogunjobi would be simply insane. Adding Flowers to Garrett, Ogbah, Avery...Frankly I can't think of a scarier DLine that has actually set foot on the field...

But that is a dream scenario...and obviously will never happen...but it is fun to think about...LMAO


Pricey but plausible...
DT - Grady Jarrett
DE - Dee Ford/Trey Flowers

Pricey...VERY...But Ford was drafted by Dorsey and I see him going after him if he can...Would be a nice fit with Garrett. Not much to say about Garrett except a pairing with Ogunjobi is frightening...

My responsible GM picks
DT - Michael Pierce(R)

Pierce comes in cheaper than Jarrett at a similar age. DE is a smaller need. But If I really HAVE to buy a DE for the purposes of this exercise...If I have to try and spend...you might as well go for that Flowers/Ford player. Because outside of Lawrence and Clowney...we already have someone on the roster as good as those in the list...and both Lawrence and Clowney will be expensive. Trying to be responsible...lol

What are your lists? Why? Make fun of mine....LOL either way...have fun with this...

I think we'll sign a DT or draft one ... I can't see us spending that much though

Grady Jarrett is the guy if available. I think he and Dee Ford catch a franchise tag.

I think Ogbah to DT and finding another DE is on the table too

The draft has some depth at DE and DT. I really like Montez Sweat and Jaylon Ferguson as pure edge rushers. Crazy depth at DT too.

I wonder if Chad Thomas is actually going to become anything.

Without knowing who our DC will be it's hard to project the defensive FA's.

When’s Kirby Smarts interview ... ...

Depends on what scheme we run. If we go to a 3-4 then We need a big fat body at the nose. I bet we could get Danny Shelton cheap. If we stick with a 4 man front then we really need another elite pass rusher to bookend with Garrett...and another stud DT to line up with Larry would be sweet. All depends on our new DC and his new scheme.

I like Ogbah, but he got abused on the plays I saw when GW moved him inside. He just doesn't have the bulk to hold up in there.

I think I saw the PD article. I'm irritated by it. The article is so shallow. It focuses on the high priced, well known, largely unrealistic FA options that will be the splash signings. It doesn't spend much time considering Dorsey's history in the FA market, or the long-term implications that big FA contracts will have on a team that still needs to add depth for a playoff run. We are a Chris Smith, Gregg Robinson cast-off, Breshad Perryman type of team. So I don't see the Browns being big players in free agency.

Here are some guys I want to know more about. I'm just looking at Spotrac.com lists. I don't know the whole deal on these players.

DT - Rodney Gunter, ARI, 26 years old, UFA. His numbers are fairly close to Grady Jarrett's. 44 tackles, 5 Sacks, 10 QBHTS and 2FF.

DT - Issac Rochell, LAC, 24 years old, ERFA. 30 tackles, 5 Sacks, 7 QBHTS, 1 Int.

OLB - Shaquil Barret, DEN, 26 years old, UFA. 28 tackles, 3 Sacks, 7 QBHTS.

OLB - Preston Smith, WAS. 26 years old, UFA. 52 tackles, 4 Sacks, 16 QBHTS, 1 FF, 1 Int.

Perhaps, but the trend is to stock pile higher priced guys while your qb is on his rookie contract, just like the Rams have done.

Interesting point. I see the logic of that. Still, if this is part of the team's player acquisition strategy I hope they proceed with caution.

I have no idea what they will do, just bringing another perspective.

And one on a solid foundation.

History shows that teams who think they are entering the window, they use FA to break through. I think we are at that point.

As Browns fans we are used to saving money and accumulating draft choices. A wise move when you are a bad team. Your thought process is to retool and build for the future.

Once you are pretty much there, what have you been saving the money for? At some point the wise move is to spend it on selected players to build your dynamo.

Sign some players to contracts that will be clearing by the time we need to get Baker inked to a second contract.

Don't be afraid to break the window. I am tired of looking in, I want inside.

We should be heavy shoppers this year. The foundation is in place and promising. We need to put the irons to the fire while all of these young guys are on rookie contracts.

We don't want to miss our window of opportunity.

problem is: we have to be vigilant still IMO. we have a lot of guys needing to be re-upped too

MARCH
March 5 Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.
March 11-13 Clubs are permitted to contact, and enter into contract negotiations with, the certified agents of players who will become Unrestricted Free Agents upon the expiration of their 2018 player contracts at 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 13.
March 13 Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must exercise options for 2019 on all players who have option clauses in their 2018 contracts.
March 13 Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must submit qualifying offers to their Restricted Free Agents with expiring contracts to retain a Right of First Refusal/Compensation.
March 13 Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must submit a minimum salary tender to retain exclusive negotiating rights to their players with expiring 2018 contracts who have fewer than three accrued seasons of free agency credit.
March 13 Top 51 Rule begins. All clubs must be under the 2019 Salary Cap prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time.
March 13 All 2018 player contracts will expire at 4:00 p.m., New York time.
March 13 The 2019 league year and free agency period begin at 4:00 p.m., New York time.

The first day of the 2019 league year will end at 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 13. Clubs will receive a personnel notice that will include all transactions submitted to the league office during the period between 4:00 p.m., New York time, and 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 13.
March 13 Trading period for 2019 begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time, after expiration of all 2018 contracts.

I think resigning Robinson & Perriman should be the first point of emphasis. As both players were keys to our 5-3 finish.
Both players bounced back from disappointing starts to their careers to be on many teams radars this FA period.

I look for Dorsey to sign a DT and DB in free agency.

I look for us to look at LB & DT early in the draft. I would not be shocked to see us try to trade up for a premier LB. I also look for us to draft a FS in the 3rd round to develop behind Randall.

If Dorsey can get anywhere close to what he did last year through FA and the draft the Browns should be downright scary next season.

To me that is a part of the FA process, signing or extending the players you want to keep.

I'm interested in Grady Jarrett, Michael Pierce and Bryce Callahan

I agree on all points especially re-signing Robinson and Perriman +1

Both Perriman and Robinson have absolutely earned long term contracts!

Lock those spots down for the next 4-5 years. In the interim, we also keep developing Desmond Harrison and work him into the lineup as he earns it.

purple, I think we are in an absolutely ideal position with our oline. we have a starting five that should be playing together for the second year. that alone should make them better and they had a very good line once they were put together. we have a developmental tackle who has the potential to be very good and we have a high draft pick waiting to step in to the interior line when needed. not sure who else we have but our oline situation is very strong!

JC...

The truth is our OT's are merely mediocre...They aren't horrible like O'neil Cousins, but I wouldn't say we are set there.

If you listen to Bitinio's last interview when he mentions Greg Robinson...(reading between the lines) Sounds like Greg Robinson still has some work ethic issues (that has been his issue since being drafted) However he seemed to apply himself more this year for our Browns...Is it just for a pay day? I'd be wary of handing him a long term contact....Just my 2 cents

Just because you hand him a long term contract doesn't mean it has to be for huge money.. but I agree with you. I think Freddie's offense, combined with Baker getting the ball out quick and being elusive in the pocket, made our offensive line look better than it really is...

And I look at it this way, as good as our offensive line appeared last year, imagine if we got better talent at a couple spots and the guys who played this year were back-ups.. that would be nice.

tru, we only have so many resources, money and draft spots. you use them to improve weaknesses. we have a real need for a run stopping, penetrating dt, a big time linebacker, probably another corner and maybe an edge rusher and a #1 receiver. those seem to be real needs. to pass on those to change an oline that gave up about 1/2 sack per game and opened holes for a 1000 yd rusher seems wasteful to me.

I agree, our biggest weakness Oline wise is Greg Robinson's spot imo...When we were shining in the 2nd part of the year, Robinson was still the one whom struggled more than others. He stuck out to me, and I'm sure coaches and FO noticed as well...If he signs lets say a 2 year 4.6 mill deal...I get that, I just don't want to see let's say a 5 year 38 mill deal with Robinson...It's in his character to be lazy, last thing we all need is Baker to get killshot from his blind side...I just don't trust the guy with a big contract...LT's get paid, he is merely mediocre, and I'm sure Dorsey realizes that, or I hope so...And Robinson is one player I would not mind an upgrade from imo.

I totally agree that DT, LB, WR, CB are all pressing needs...Heck prior to the season I was saying we are going to get gashed because of the lack of talent at along the front 4 (and we got rid of some of our main pieces of depth as well, that really showed as we didn't have anyone worthy of giving our starters a breather---I thought Nassib was a great asset, and the Bucs are high on him with his run grades and 6.5 sacks as a reserve) We need alot of help in that front 7...I will be glad when Jamie Collins is left walking as well.

However I know you brought up the 1/2 sack our Oline averaged...I however cannot give that credit to Greg Robinson, that's more credit to Baker and others, While Greg Robinson isn't O'Neil Cousins bad...He is easily upgraded imo...And you must give your franchise QB as much protection and weapons as possible...But I understand our draft picks are much more limited this year...Should be fun to see whom we can snag in FA and in the draft.

JC...


I will also mention DT Malcolm Brown (Pats) as an option, I know this past year that whole defense struggled at times compared to other years. But he has been known as one of the better run plugging DTs...Coming off a down year, he should be more obtainable..We need a couple good DT's imo, especially if Coley signs elsewhere...We have Ogu and that is all

My favorite part about this thread...and this offseason...no one talking about which QB we should take in the 1st round.

Would be nice to grab a run stuffer. If we're going to win the AFC North we'll have to stop Baltimore. Also wouldn't mind a solid LBer to replace Collins.

i'd take a flier on Thomas.. 2year deal with option for 3rd

I def. think theres more defensive help than offensive in FA this year.. Thats great for us

McCoy would be a pretty good fit.

J/C - I’ve always liked Matthieu; do you think Desir would come back.....

If McCoy is worth looking at I’m sure we will. We have an OC that knows him. He may have coached the other side of the ball in TB but he’ll still know his work ethic. Know his motivation level. How he practices. Etc.
I’d say it’d put us on the inside track from a personality scouting perspective. Much of the interview process is about personality matching. If McCoy isn’t seen as a fit in that way Monkens is going to know. Likely we won’t even see him discussed as a prospect if that’s the case.
If McCoy checks out in that regard I’d think Dorsey would bring him in to talk. Dorsey seems like a ‘no stones unturned’ guy. McCoy is a big stone.

That is interesting. Will the new DC need to re-tool much on the line? I don't know what he wants in defensive linemen. Any insights to wanting bigger run-stuffers? Faster and quicker?

Players what can tackle for our LBs?