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CASE CLOSED, stop making excuses for HUE Only you mentioned Hue. I don't know why. It's not like I've been a huge fan. Go away, please.
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and yes Haley was a good OC, and yes we finally have a running game.
You do realize that the good OC was Kitchens not Haley, do you follow the team? btw Haley sucked. Haley was too busy trying to stab Hue in the back, but he could catch the bus. He was trying to kill the cockroach... The O was built by Haley, and so was the identity of a balanced O with a running game. That is obvious to anyone not involved in finding excuses for the worst coach in the NFL history.
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IT WAS HALEY that built the Offense.
Huh you mean the Offense that lost us games? Yeah he built it. Dorsey got the talent, Haley miss used it. to the point that Hue even threatened to take away the play calling duties.
You forget the almost record setting turnovers that the defense were making giving the Offense very short field position most ending up in a FG not a TD. The Offense that had how many Red Zone TD efficiency?
it was also with Haley that we made the running game happen, which was/is instrumental for our success.
I thought it was our OL that did it considering it was basically all that TT can muster who was one of our leading rushers.
BAD OC: cause he dinked and dunked while having one of the most dynamic and accurate down field passers. Our best play was a 3 yard crossing pattern. He sucked.
Baker Excuses? You are a Troll that proves it. What excuses?
Baker was a big time leader rookie and all in making the transformation. If you watched a game you would have seen the transformation before your eyes. Yes, in the end Hue was not a good HC that was for sure. But just the firing didn't make all better.
And by the way, PLAYERS ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE THEY HATED THE GUY, so not even that was true.
I have no clue what you are saying here...Hated what guy?
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CASE CLOSED, stop making excuses for HUE Only you mentioned Hue. I don't know why. It's not like I've been a huge fan. Go away, please. We can’t make him go away ... We can however NOT RESPOND TO HIS BS like Mr. Conspiracy has done here and many many others do on a daily basis ... then they complain about how absurd he is (not u) ... there the ones that really crack me up ...  ...
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I think Kitchens beat Haley hands down. WSe were immediately better with him gone and Hue with him. Did not produce all that well IMO.
He is still gone.
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NFL announces five candidates for 2018 PEPSI Rookie of the YearBy Jordan DajaniThu Jan 03 2019 On Thursday, the NFL announced the five finalists for the 2018 PEPSI NFL Rookie of the Year. Starting today, fans can vote for one of these five players on NFL.com/rookies through Monday, January 21 at 3:00 PM ET to determine the winner. Here are your finalists: New York Giants RB Saquon Barkley A 2019 Pro Bowl selection, Barkley led the NFL with 2,028 scrimmage yards and joined Pro Football Hall of Famer Eric Dickerson (2,212 scrimmage yards in 1983) and Edgerrin James (2,139 in 1999) as the only rookies with at least 2,000 scrimmage yards in NFL history. Barkley recorded 91 receptions in 2018, the most by a rookie running back in league annals. Cleveland Browns RB Nick Chubb Chubb finished with 1,145 scrimmage yards, the third-most among rookie running backs and totaled 10 touchdowns during the 2018 season. Chubb set a franchise rookie record with 996 rush yards and totaled four games with at least 100 rushing yards this season, tied for the second-most by a rookie in 2018. Indianapolis Colts LB Darius Leonard Leonard led the NFL with 163 tackles, the most by a rookie since Luke Kuechly in 2012 (164 tackles). Leonard recorded seven games with at least 10 tackles, tied for the most in the league and was the only player in the NFL with 100 tackles and seven sacks in 2018. Denver Broncos RB Phillip Lindsay Lindsay ranked second among rookies with 1,037 rushing yards and became the third undrafted rookie since 1970 with 1,000 rushing yards. A 2019 Pro Bowl selection, Lindsay is the first undrafted offensive rookie to the be selected to the annual All-Star game. Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield Mayfield led all rookies with 3,725 pass yards and had 27 touchdown passes, the most by a rookie in league history. Mayfield threw at least one touchdown pass in all 13 of his career starts and became the third QB in the Super Bowl era with a touchdown pass in each of his first 10 career starts. https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...-Year-127273641
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Just goes to show how valuable OL is in these rewards .... Quentin Nelson has walked right in and ABSOLUTELY DOMINATED anyone lined up across from him AND any Lber’s that get in his sights .... What he’s done compared to other rookies throughout history is just as REMARKABLE as what Bark and Bake have done ... He had ZERO LEARNING CURVE ... he DOMINATED ... Its one thing for him not to win ... to not be on the list makes the LIST A JOKE IMO ... 
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Sept 5, 2018 Preseason OROY Odds
Barkley +170
Mayfield +600
Darnold +600
Rosen +950
Allen +1000
Penny +1500
Jackson +1600
Michel +1800
Jones II +2000
Chubb +2500
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Yeah, offensive linemen rarely get attention in such things. He's a damn good player.
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It's a stats driven award, like most awards of this type.. DROY will be won by somebody with the most sacks/ints/tackles etc..
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Fair or not, OL guys don't win rookie of the year awards very often.
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CASE CLOSED, stop making excuses for HUE Only you mentioned Hue. I don't know why. It's not like I've been a huge fan. Go away, please. On the Fan Feeback Forum there has been some discussion about rules changes for the Boards. I haven't been in favor of any but I may suggest the Refs put a 2 drink maximum on posting.
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This seems like a good place to drop this... it definitely supports his case... http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-brown...ric-rookie-yearBaker Mayfield has room to grow after historic rookie year Pat McManamonESPN Staff Writer There are many ways to sum up the impact of Baker Mayfield's rookie season with the Cleveland Browns. Perhaps the best comes in the words of a team captain and leader. “You’ve got to find that franchise quarterback in this league,” Browns guard Joel Bitonio said, “and I think we’ve found that.” The feeling is shared throughout the organization. Gone are the days of wondering who will start the following season’s opener or what quarterback will be drafted when. Instead, the Browns can concentrate on building a team and hiring a coach attracted to the job precisely because Mayfield is on the roster. “He’s what our team’s going to run on for hopefully the next 10 or 15 years,” Bitonio said. That’s a lot to throw on a 23-year-old, but in his rookie season, Mayfield seemed ready for all challenges. One sight stands out. When head coach Hue Jackson was fired, Mayfield stood at an interview and listened as the theory was presented to him that he might have to be the one to pick up the Browns by their bootstraps. Was Mayfield ready for that challenge? He answered without hesitation: “Bring it on.” Mayfield then went out and won five of eight games, and he was within one completed pass of beating the Baltimore Ravens in the season finale to win six of eight. In doing so, he also set a league record for rookie quarterbacks with 27 touchdown passes. “He’s still a rookie,” Cleveland general manager John Dorsey said the day after the season ended. “There’s still a lot of nuances of the National Football League. He threw three interceptions [against Baltimore]. He can still work on those little things, understanding certain things, but he also broke an NFL record, so you applaud him for that. “You would hope that he can grow exponentially [in year two] and by year three he is what we all thought he’d be.” Mayfield offered his assessment. “For me, there’s a lot of room for improvement,” he said, “and that’s promising for our team going forward.” One way to evaluate Mayfield’s impact is in the passel of statistics that help illustrate the season he had. The record for touchdown passes by a rookie had been held by Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson. Mayfield’s 3,725 passing yards ranked sixth all time among rookies. But that total came in 13 starts, three fewer than the five quarterbacks ahead of him. Consider average passing yards per game and Mayfield passes Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, Carson Wentz and Manning to rank first at 286.5 yards per game. Baker Mayfield had one of the best rookie seasons for a quarterback in NFL history. Mayfield threw at least one touchdown pass in each of his 13 starts. He trails only Kurt Warner (23) and Brad Johnson (15) for the most consecutive starts to an NFL career with a touchdown pass. He also is the first Browns quarterback to throw a touchdown in 13 consecutive starts since Frank Ryan did it in 14 games in 1966. Mayfield had the first-, second- and fourth-best passing yardage games by a rookie in Browns history, and his 63.8 completion percentage was fourth in Browns history among all quarterbacks -- 0.9 percentage points behind all-time great Otto Graham. He set team records for passing yards by a rookie and ranked fifth in team history in touchdown passes. Three rookies were at the bottom of the league in passer rating -- Sam Darnold was 30th at 77.6, Josh Allen 31st at 67.9 and Josh Rosen last at 66.7. Mayfield? He ranked 19th at 93.7. According to Pro Football Reference, that rating is the highest for a rookie since the Browns joined the NFL in 1950 (minimum 100 passes). While doing all of this, he gained the respect of his teammates -- who now look to him as the Browns' unquestioned leader -- and of his coaches. With the game on the line in Baltimore, interim coach Gregg Williams eschewed a 56-yard field goal try to win the contest and instead went with Mayfield. “We put it in Baker’s hands,” Williams said. In September, Drew Brees raised plenty of eyebrows when he said of Mayfield: “I think he can be a lot better than me.” Brees wasn’t joking or pandering either. “He has all of the tools,” Brees said on a conference call with the Cleveland media. “He is more athletic. He probably could run around better. He has a stronger arm. He has all of the tools.” The screech in the background comes from the Browns, who want to put the brakes on casting a bust in Canton just yet for Mayfield. “Obviously, he knows he needs to improve on some stuff, and he’s working at that,” Bitonio said. “I already know he’s going to come back better next year. But he’s a guy you want in your corner, and I’m happy he’s here.” Where do the Browns and Mayfield point to for improvement? There is the usual growth that takes place from one year to the next, especially from the rookie year to the second campaign. Add in that Mayfield accomplished all he did without a single first-team rep in the offseason, training camp or preseason. In his second year, Mayfield begins as the unquestioned starter, which should allow him to gain more cohesion with his teammates from the get-go. Another area that needs to be addressed: his play against the better teams. He lost four of five games against playoff teams (falling to the Chargers, Chiefs and Texans and splitting two with the Ravens) and had a passer rating of 76.4 and completion percentage of 59.3. In those five games, he threw eight touchdowns and 10 interceptions. With Freddie Kitchens as coordinator, Mayfield had a passer rating of 83.1 and went 0-3 against Kansas City, Houston and Baltimore, with six TDs and seven interceptions. In the games against non-playoff teams, he feasted, especially with Kitchens. Including the Jets game, during which he took over just before halftime, Mayfield went 6-3 against the Jets, Raiders, Bucs, Steelers, Falcons, Bengals (twice), Panthers and Broncos, with a passer rating of 107.6, 19 touchdowns and four interceptions. With Kitchens as his coordinator, his rating against the doormats was 127.8, and Mayfield had 13 touchdowns and one interception. Those four teams finished the season a combined 26-38 (Atlanta, Carolina, Denver and Cincinnati twice), and Mayfield was 5-0 against them. Making too much of this is silly. Good teams are good for a reason: They make other teams struggle when they play them. It would be natural that any quarterback’s numbers might drop against better teams, and the fairest comparison would require comparing every quarterback in the NFL against good teams and losing teams to what Mayfield did, then see how far Mayfield's numbers deviate from the norm. However, the numbers also can’t be discarded. If the Browns continue to improve as it seems they will, the competition will become more intense -- and in the playoffs every team will be good. It’s something to be aware of -- and something Mayfield can grow from. The Browns exude zero concern that Mayfield will not use everything that happened this past season in a positive way. His presence and play and Cleveland's in-season turnaround have the Browns just as excited as their fans about what is to come. As Cleveland safety Damarious Randall said: “Watch out in 2019.”
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The AP could use those numbers for coach of the year award.
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ESPN gave Baker their Rookie of the year: http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/...all-rookie-teamAvery and Ward also made their All-Rookie team. Chubb and Callaway got honorable mentions. When all was said and done last April, 256 NFL hopefuls were selected in the league's draft.
The quarterbacks, especially the five who were selected in the first round, fueled much of the discussion. But as the season unfolded, the best defenders in the draft showed just how much impact they could have on a team's fortunes.
Toss in the undrafted revelations such as Broncos running back Phillip Lindsay or a fifth-round pick like Bears defensive tackle Bilal Nichols or a seventh-round pick on a kicker like Jason Sanders for the Dolphins, and it was quite the season for the league's new guard.
And after a season's worth of game analysis and several hours' worth of discussions with personnel evaluators and players, here are our rookies of the years and 2018 all-rookie team.
This group is mostly position-specific, but offensive guard and tackle include both spots. Also, there is a "flex" position on both offense and defense to give a nod to some situational multitasking that is a part of the way the game is played.
OFFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR: Baker Mayfield, QB, Cleveland Browns
The Baltimore Ravens, who finished the regular season No. 1 in total defense and No. 2 in scoring defense this season, surrendered 300 yards passing just three times in 2018. Once was to the likely league MVP, Patrick Mahomes, who threw for 377 yards in Week 14. The other two were to Mayfield, including 342 yards with a touchdown in his second NFL start. Mayfield simply did the most with the highest degree of difficulty at the position for a team that won one game in the previous two seasons combined.
DEFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR: Darius Leonard, LB, Indianapolis Colts
Leonard edges a highly productive group of first-year defenders who each have an argument for the title of the league’s best rookie this season, including Los Angeles Chargers safety Derwin James, Denver Broncos linebacker Bradley Chubb and Dallas Cowboys linebacker Leighton Vander Esch. Leonard did an array of things for a young team that fought back into the playoffs. He was the only player in the league, rookie or otherwise, with at least 100 tackles, seven sacks, 12 tackles for loss and four forced fumbles. That constitutes a guy who made plays behind the line of scrimmage, at the point of attack and in coverage.
WR: Calvin Ridley, Atlanta Falcons
Six of Ridley's 10 receiving touchdowns this season came over the course of the season's first month, but the guy put the ball in the end zone more than any other rookie wideout.
WR: DJ Moore, Carolina Panthers
Moore's game video consistently showed a player who made the most of every catch because of his ability to make defenders miss or break tackles.
Honorable mention: Robert Foster, Buffalo Bills; Christian Kirk, Arizona Cardinals; Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Green Bay Packers; Antonio Callaway, Cleveland Browns.
RB: Saquon Barkley, New York Giants
The Giants' offense had more than its share of struggles this season, but Barkley wasn't one of them. He finished second in the league in rushing, reached the threshold of 5.0 yards per carry and was one of 13 NFL players with at least 91 receptions this season. He also was one of just two players -- Ezekiel Elliott was the other -- with at least 2,000 yards from scrimmage, as Barkley led the league (2,028).
Honorable mention: Phillip Lindsay, Denver Broncos; Nick Chubb, Cleveland Browns; Sony Michel, New England Patriots.
QB: Baker Mayfield, Cleveland Browns
The guy lifted a franchise that had gone 1-31 the previous two seasons and did it even after the team changed offensive coordinators and fired its head coach. Mayfield went 4-2 in his last six starts of the year, and he threw 19 touchdown passes over the final eight games.
Honorable mention: Sam Darnold, New York Jets; Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens.
Flex: Phillip Lindsay, Denver Broncos
If not for Barkley, the undrafted Lindsay would have been the league's best rookie back. The versatile athlete certainly wins best-rookie-not-invited-to-the-combine trophy this time around. He missed the season finale with a wrist injury but was still ninth in the league in rushing (1,037 yards) and second in the league in yards per carry (5.4).
Honorable mention: Robert Foster, Buffalo Bills; DJ Moore, Carolina Panthers.
T: Mike McGlinchey, San Francisco 49ers
McGlinchey plays with efficiency and power, as he was penalized just three times all season, and two of those were false starts; he was not flagged for holding.
T: Braden Smith, Indianapolis Colts
Smith, primarily a right guard in his career at Auburn, was rock solid at right tackle for the Colts, as he was part of a line that did not surrender a sack in six games in the regular season and had 11 games when Andrew Luck was sacked one or fewer times.
Honorable mention: Brian O'Neill, Minnesota Vikings; Orlando Brown Jr., Baltimore Ravens; Kolton Miller, Oakland Raiders.
G: Quenton Nelson, Indianapolis Colts
Nelson, while sometimes showing a rough edge or two in his technique, was every bit the walk-in starter the Colts had hoped for when they selected him No. 6 overall. Nelson simply is a front-line finisher in the run game whose work in pass protection showed plenty of savvy.
G: James Daniels, Chicago Bears
Daniels started his last 23 games at Iowa at center, but he moved inside with top-notch play at guard for the playoff Bears.
Honorable mention: Will Hernandez, New York Giants; Frank Ragnow, Detroit Lions.
C: Mason Cole, Arizona Cardinals
The Cardinals struggled in most facets of the offense, but this job comes with a high degree of difficulty for a rookie, and few first-year players got heaved into the deep end the way Cole did. A 51-game starter at Michigan, he showed the ability to adjust, fix mistakes on the fly and improve with each passing week.
Honorable mention: Billy Price, Cincinnati Bengals.
TE: Mark Andrews, Baltimore Ravens
The rookie tight ends played in plenty of games across the league but were not really a significant part of anyone's passing game. However, Andrews was steady and had three of his best outings over the last six games of the season.
Honorable mention: Dallas Goedert, Philadelphia Eagles; Dalton Schultz, Dallas Cowboys.
DEFENSE
DE/Edge: Bradley Chubb, Denver Broncos
After a slow start and some of the usual rookie hang-ups, Chubb became a force in the second half of the season. Chubb led all rookies with 12 sacks on the season.
DE/Edge: Genard Avery, Cleveland Browns
Avery is a versatile player who was asked to fill several roles in the Browns' defense.
Honorable mention: Marcus Davenport, New Orleans Saints; Sam Hubbard, Cincinnati Bengals; Tyquan Lewis, Indianapolis Colts; Harold Landry, Tennessee Titans; Arden Key, Oakland Raiders.
DT: Da'Shawn Hand, Detroit Lions
Hand was the most dominant interior rookie defensive linemen overall -- three sacks, two forced fumbles and four tackles for loss -- until he went to injured reserve in mid-December with a sprained MCL in his right knee.
DT: Bilal Nichols, Chicago Bears
Nichols did plenty of the unglamorous but necessary work for a unit that finished No. 1 in scoring defense and No. 1 in takeaways (three sacks, two forced fumbles, five tackles for loss).
Honorable mention: Maurice Hurst, Oakland Raiders; B.J. Hill, New York Giants; Vita Vea, Tampa Bay Buccaneers; Daron Payne, Washington Redskins.
LB: Darius Leonard, Indianapolis Colts
He played all 56 of the defensive snaps in the regular season opener and was off and running on what was one of the best first-year efforts in recent memory. Leonard registered a league-leading 163 tackles, including a double take-worthy 111 solo tackles. The Colts asked him to do plenty, and he was repeatedly up to the challenge, as he consistently worked through the rough spots to make plays all over the field.
LB: Roquan Smith, Chicago Bears
It says plenty about Smith that he played alongside a high-quality player such as Danny Trevathan on the inside of the Bears' defense and there were times when Smith was the best inside linebacker on the field. Smith missed 29 days of training camp in a contract squabble, but he made up ground quickly and was the starter by Week 2. He finished with 121 tackles, five sacks and eight tackles for loss.
LB: Leighton Vander Esch, Dallas Cowboys
Vander Esch entered the starting lineup in Week 4 after Sean Lee was injured and played so well that the Cowboys couldn't take him out once Lee was healthy enough to return to the field. Vander Esch set a team record for rookies with 19 tackles -- from the team's defensive coaches video review -- against the Eagles, and he was the first rookie to lead the team in tackles since the Cowboys began officially tracking tackles in 1977.
Honorable mention: Tremaine Edmunds, Buffalo Bills; Fred Warner, San Francisco, 49ers; Rashaan Evans, Tennessee Titans.
CB: Denzel Ward, Cleveland Browns
Ward missed three of the team's final four games of the season with concussion issues, but it didn't diminish the fact he was tossed into the deep end of the football pool immediately. He had two interceptions in his first NFL start and responded with confidence after being tested over and over by opposing signal-callers.
CB: Donte Jackson, Carolina Panthers
Jackson finished with four interceptions, the most by any rookie, and started every game for the Panthers. He also showed the bounce-back ability that is a necessity for a young player at one of the game's most difficult positions. Jackson had some bumps on the learning curve, but he routinely lined up and played with sound technique following the mistakes.
Honorable mention: Avonte Maddox, Philadelphia Eagles; Tre Flowers, Seattle Seahawks.
S: Derwin James, Los Angeles Chargers
James showed remarkable versatility as a run-stopper -- see the playoff win over the Ravens -- and a pass-rusher and in coverage. He is athletic and smart, and he did some of his best work in the biggest moments. James had 105 tackles, knocked down 13 passes and tallied six quarterback hits and 3.5 sacks.
S: Justin Reid, Houston Texans
Reid’s teammate Johnathan Joseph summed up the rookie’s year the best: “He had a hell of a season.” Reid started the last 13 games, including the wild-card playoff game, for the league’s No. 4 scoring defense. Reid led the team with three interceptions and was the first player in team history to post the do-it-all stat line of least nine tackles, a special-teams tackle and a fumble recovery in the same game.
Honorable mention: Jessie Bates, Cincinnati Bengals; Terrell Edmunds, Pittsburgh Steelers; Minkah Fitzpatrick, Miami Dolphins; Jordan Whitehead, Tampa Bay Buccaneers; D.J. Reed Jr., San Francisco 49ers.
CB/S Flex: Jaire Alexander, Green Bay Packers
None other than Bill Belichick said Alexander will be “one of the top corners in the game for quite a while.” Alexander knocked down 11 passes and was credited with 61 solo tackles.
SPECIAL TEAMS
P: Michael Dickson, Seattle Seahawks
Only Dickson and Arizona's Andy Lee -- a 15-year veteran -- finished the season with a gross punt average of at least 48 yards, a net average of at least 42 yards and having pinned opponents inside the 20-yard line at least 28 times.
Honorable mention: Trevor Daniel, Houston Texans.
K: Jason Sanders, Miami Dolphins
He made 18 of 20 field goals, with no misses on kicks of fewer than 40 yards. He also was one of the league’s most consistent on kickoffs, frequently limiting what opponents could do in the return game.
Honorable mention: Daniel Carlson, Oakland Raiders.
Return specialist: Richie James, San Francisco 49ers
The Chiefs' Tremon Smith had a high-quality debut as a kickoff returner, but James’ versatility proved the difference. James returned both punts and kickoffs, and he had one of four kickoff returns for touchdowns of more than 90 yards this season.
Honorable mention: Tremon Smith, Kansas City Chiefs.
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I'm having difficulty thinking of a better, higher producing rookie class for ANY team, ever, much less for just our team.
The level of performance and contribution from our 2018 class is just off the charts.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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So ...
OFFENSE :
QB Baker Mayfield - 1st Team All Rookie + Offensive Rookie of the Year ...
RB Nick Chubb - Honorable Mention All Rookie ...
WR Antonio Callaway - Honorable Mention All Rookie ...
DEFENSE :
CB Denzel Ward - 1st Team All Rookie ...
DE/EDGE Genard Avery - 1st Team All Rookie ...
Superb Job Mr. John Dorsey Who Should Soon Be Named NFL GM of the Year ...
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Not given awards, but lets not forget these rookie contributors, either:
K Greg Joseph
DL Chad Thomas
WR Willies
WR Ratley
OT Desmond Harrison
RB Dontrell Hilliard
I mean, seriously.... how did we even do that???
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Not given awards, but lets not forget these rookie contributors, either:
K Greg Joseph
DL Chad Thomas
WR Willies
WR Ratley
OT Desmond Harrison
RB Dontrell Hilliard
I mean, seriously.... how did we even do that???
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Not given awards, but lets not forget these rookie contributors, either:
K Greg Joseph
DL Chad Thomas
WR Willies
WR Ratley
OT Desmond Harrison
RB Dontrell Hilliard
I mean, seriously.... how did we even do that???
I guess we have varying definitions of what "contributors" mean.
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Not given awards, but lets not forget these rookie contributors, either:
K Greg Joseph
DL Chad Thomas
WR Willies
WR Ratley
OT Desmond Harrison
RB Dontrell Hilliard
I mean, seriously.... how did we even do that???
I guess we have varying definitions of what "contributors" mean. K Greg Joseph Missed What 3 FG's ... WR Willies Contributed before injury ... WR Ratley See Above ... OT Desmond Harrison Played Well and has a future ... RB Dontrell Hilliard Made a good 3rd RB ... DE Chad Thomas Hopefully will contribute this year ...
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For sure.... but, each one of those listed made solid, positive contributions.
Some went to IR, some regressed and lost their position, a few contributed regularly and consistently. Nothing flashy, but solid role player types.
That's significant. It can absolutely be improved upon, but it is still significant and positive.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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The Pro Football Writers Association gives Baker the Rookie of the Year as well: http://www.profootballwriters.org/2019/0...kie-team-named/Oddly enough, he didn't get the Offensive Rookie of the Year from them. Maybe they deliberately do that to give someone else a chance? Hopefully the AP will follow in the same steps as ESPN and the PFWA.
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The Pro Football Writers Association gives Baker the Rookie of the Year as well: http://www.profootballwriters.org/2019/0...kie-team-named/Oddly enough, he didn't get the Offensive Rookie of the Year from them. Maybe they deliberately do that to give someone else a chance? Hopefully the AP will follow in the same steps as ESPN and the PFWA. Congrats to Baker. Somewhat of a shock to me since I felt the media darling was Saquon.
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Baker Mayfield voted rookie of the year by Pro Football Writers of America; Denzel Ward, Myles Garrett earn honors Updated Jan 15, 3:25 PM; Posted Jan 15, 2:48 PM By Dan Labbe, cleveland.comdlabbe@cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield was voted the rookie of the year by the Pro Football Writers of America. Mayfield threw 27 touchdown passes this season, a rookie record, eclipsing the previous mark of 26 held by Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson. Mayfield’s 3,725 passing yards were the sixth most by a rookie in NFL history and the most by a Browns rookie and sixth most for any Browns quarterback. He registered three of the top four passing yardage performances by a Browns rookie in team history, including the top two spots. Mayfield did all of this while appearing in 14 games and starting 13. Giants running back Saquon Barkley was named offensive rookie of the year and Colts linebacker Darius Leonard won defensive rookie of the year. Mayfield was voted to the all-rookie team, as well. Denzel Ward was also honored on the all-rookie team at cornerback alongside Packers cornerback Jaire Alexander. Ward, whose season was cut short by concussions, intercepted three passes and forced a fumble in 13 games. He also blocked a field goal in the Browns' 12-9 win over Baltimore in Week 5. He was named to the Pro Bowl. Defensive end Myles Garrett, also a Pro Bowler, was voted to the All-AFC team. Garrett’s 13.5 sacks on the season are the second-most in team history for a single season. His 20.5 sacks in his first two seasons are the most ever by a Browns player. The awards for the PFWA are voted on by members of the organization. The local chapter of the PFWA voted Mayfield the Player of the Year for the Browns last month. Left guard Joel Bitonio was awarded the chapter’s Good Guy award for his cooperation with the media. Mayfield and running back Nick Chubb are both up for the Pepsi Rookie of the Year award, voted on by fans. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/01...arn-honors.html
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if you break peyton mannings record in 13 games, you're going to be roty
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just curious, what is the official ROTY award, is that the Pepsi one?
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AP* is the official one.
*Associated Press
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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AP* is the official one.
*Associated Press
I believe it's announced the night before the Super Bowl, Feb. 2nd. All the official awards will be revealed then on a tv special.
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So ...
OFFENSE :
QB Baker Mayfield - 1st Team All Rookie + Offensive Rookie of the Year ...
RB Nick Chubb - Honorable Mention All Rookie ...
WR Antonio Callaway - Honorable Mention All Rookie ...
DEFENSE :
CB Denzel Ward - 1st Team All Rookie ...
DE/EDGE Genard Avery - 1st Team All Rookie ...
Superb Job Mr. John Dorsey Who Should Soon Be Named NFL GM of the Year ... And that's not even mentioning the FA's and Trades he brought in.. Or how he reacted quickly when he saw a problem and fired the HC and OC.. Replacing them with good guys and then Hiring Freddie and getting some mighty fine coaches... No question, NFL GM of the Year....
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AP* is the official one.
*Associated Press
"1967-75 – no selections 1992-2012 – no selections 1991 - no selection" Anyone know the story/reason behind this? If they're the "official" one, why were there nearly 30 years of no selections? Edit: my bad* this is Pro Football Writers, not the AP (I'm assuming that is different)
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Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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An amazing draft year 2018. And that is with two top picks #33 and #67 Corbett and Thomas who neither saw mcuh at all on the field in 2018. Those 2 can still contribute in the future.
The guy that really gets me going on our Talent picker... is Avery what a pick!
Calloway a 4th rounder and then you got the 3...#1, #4 and #35 who are amazing.
Baker deserves the ROY honors if he doesn't get it than something is wrong.
He did so many things. TDs as a rookie passer RECORD SET now at 27 And just remember that previous record of 26TDs by Peyton Manning came with 28 INTS while Baker had only 14 half the INTS and with 27 TDs.
Also must give credit to Wilson who also had 26 TDs but only 10 INTs...it was an incredible season.
Wonder what Baker's stats would have been if all 13 starts were under the offense ran by Kitchens.
I have never been more enthused about our next season. Even now all I can think about is I cannot wait for the 2019 season to START and I hope we get off to a great start...4-0 something like that.
Normally this time of year I'm like... "I can't wait for FA and draft to come along" This year is different...I'm so Christmas feeling waiting for the 2019 season!!!
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
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I can't wait for Draft and FA because that means the season is starting..NFL has the worst offseason
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Eo, don't forget, Baker got that record in 13 games, not 16... That's even more impressive
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Wilson also had 16 starts...some might say 1998 passing attacks were not like 2018...but 2012 it was pretty much the same.
Funny, 2 short QBs
Hope that height thing is finally over, still can't believe Rodgers dropped because he was under 6'3"
Wish Doug Flutie was coming out today...he would have been amazing in these offenses!
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
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So ...
OFFENSE :
QB Baker Mayfield - 1st Team All Rookie + Offensive Rookie of the Year ...
RB Nick Chubb - Honorable Mention All Rookie ...
WR Antonio Callaway - Honorable Mention All Rookie ...
DEFENSE :
CB Denzel Ward - 1st Team All Rookie ...
DE/EDGE Genard Avery - 1st Team All Rookie ...
Superb Job Mr. John Dorsey Who Should Soon Be Named NFL GM of the Year ... And that's not even mentioning the FA's and Trades he brought in.. Or how he reacted quickly when he saw a problem and fired the HC and OC.. Replacing them with good guys and then Hiring Freddie and getting some mighty fine coaches... No question, NFL GM of the Year.... Ummm, excuse me sir. What team are you talking about? I think I've stumbled on to the wrong website...
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What a difference a year makes 
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
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Sometime during the season I started a thread "Genard Avery".
It is still kind of strange that not much has been made of the season this former 5th rounder has had.
On the team website there is a video of players including Schobert and Randall talking about the kind of player Genard is and the season he had.
During OTA's he was yelled at daily. Like he had no clue.
When he came to camp he was a different player. And it has not been lost on the players around him. They all expect this guy to be a great player.
Apparently he is extremely strong and fast.
Now he gets national recognition as 1st team all rookie.
So there is no getting away from what kind of draft we had.
After years of head shaking bizarre picks it sure is refreshing to look back at this past draft and say "damn if we can do this every year we will get where we all want to go."
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