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Yes, we disagree, I don't see Gary as having the frame to play inside. Prehaps a 5t.

And I do not consider Walter football anything more than a fan site.

Simmons is the 4th or 5th best DT depending on whom you ask, but there is a good chance of having a higher rated player at another position, such as a top 3 CB... @17

I personally would like to see us try and address the position in FA.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I tried to say that without being needlessly caustic about it.

Perhaps we will solve it in free agency but my opinion is that is not the most optimal way to do it. If you look at Spotrac, I'm not sure they are credible enough in your view but its the best available source that I have, the majority of known free agents at the position are either, A) over 30 or, B) expensive. Or some unattractive combination of the two. Solving personnel problems as important as this one on free agent deals is less attractive than adding young talent on a rookie contract. It is unwise for a team that is still building its foundation to be overly reliant on this method. The team still needs young talent that can provide a longer tenure and establish its foundation for years to come. The draft is the way to accomplish this. We are not one 3 Tech away from a Superbowl caliber defense. We need depth and starters at multiple positions. If you want to argue that Free Agency is preferable to the draft I'm very interested to hear your logic.

I can see there being some second or third tier FA who can help with depth but that's the extent that Free Agency should play, IMO.

I admit last time I saw a UMass game was probably when Marcus Camby wa splaying Bball for them...But I saw a tape of Andy, and man I would love that guy on our squad...Guy has those traits you love despite his smallish frame.

I know we have alot more pressing needs, But if somehow Irv Smith falls into our lap in round 3...That guy has a lot of traits that remind you of OJ Howard...would be a weapon in those TE sets

He beat Denzel Ward in the two hundred yard dash in high school too. Take him 17th overall and trade all the other picks.

Hmmm. Look at this chart - interesting player at the top.



https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1070010599109615616

J/C - First draft I have put together on first pick. Sweat is a great pass rusher and Wilkins can help solidify the middle of the line.

I've opted for speed, impact guys. Hunter may be undersized, but he makes plays, as does Brown. The exception is Patrick - a proper ol style thumper.

Gardner-Johnson and Hansen, for example, have played LB and Safety or safety and CB. I really like Robinson as a late round sleeper at CB - I think he fits the zone schemes that Wilks is mooted to run rather than the usual bigger guys you need for press man. First of many....

Your score is: 27990 (GRADE: B+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 26 (IND): Sweat, Montez, DE, Mississippi State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 2 (IND): Brown, Marquise, WR, Oklahoma (A)
Round 2 Pick 17: Wilkins, Christian, DT, Clemson (A+)
Round 3 Pick 16: Gardner-Johnson, Chauncey, FS/SS, Florida (A)
Round 5 Pick 6: Robinson, Rashad, CB, James Madison (A+)
Round 5 Pick 29: Renfrow, Hunter, WR, Clemson (A+)
Round 6 Pick 16: Hansen, Chase, SS, Utah (A+)
Round 7 Pick 7: Blankenship, Rodrigo, K, Georgia (A+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Patrick, Jacques, RB, Florida State (A+)

According to WalterFootball.com here is a list of the players we've talked to at the East/West Shrine Game practices so far:


Cleveland Browns
Jon Duhart, WR, Old Dominion (EW)
Ethan Greenidge, OT, Villanova (EW)
Saquan Hampton, S, Rutgers (EW)
Derick Roberson, DE, Sam Houston State (EW)
Brian Wallace, OT, Arkansas (EW)
Evan Worthington, S, Colorado (EW)

http://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam

I agree, that we are not 1 3t away on defense. We can bolster all three levels.

I will not be pissed if we take a DT @17 its the bigger pitcher of the Draft and FA as a whole that matters at the end of the day.

Projection for the 17th selection is not so in focus at this early stage imo.

Two years ago with KC, Dorsey traded up for Mahommes, so that is still an option on the table too.

With Wilks attacking defense, (an unknown at the genesis of our conversations.) we could use another impact player across the DL @ both positions. Ogbah has not really developed into that player we hoped for.

Mel Kipers Latest Mock Has Us Taking Jeffrey Simmons DT Mississippi State ...

Your score is: 29579 (GRADE: A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 17: Lawrence, Dexter, DT, Clemson (A-)
Round 2 Pick 17: Metcalf, DK, WR, Mississippi (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Miller, Christian, OLB, Alabama (A+)
Round 3 Pick 28: Hodge, Kalhil, ILB, Buffalo (A)
Round 4 Pick 17: Gardner-Johnson, Chauncey, FS/SS, Florida (A+)
Round 5 Pick 6: Sagapolu, Olive, DT, Wisconsin (A+)
Round 5 Pick 17: Robinson, Rashad, CB, James Madison (A+)
Round 5 Pick 29: Ivey, Martez, OT, Florida (A+)
Round 6 Pick 16: Turpin, Kavontae, WR, Texas Christian (A+)
Round 7 Pick 7: Blankenship, Rodrigo, K, Georgia (A+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Browning, Jake, QB, Washington (A+)

Your Future Picks:
2020 Round 1 Pick
2021 Round 1 Pick

if your round 2 pick happens, we MUST run him at least once per season between Center/Guard.

I see that we agree more than we disagree.

I will say that I like the idea of addressing the DL in free agency with the right 2nd tier DT. The same with the linebacker and possibly the cornerback positions. This will increase our options to go BPA.

You like him more than Riley Ridley or Paris? I watched his game against Georgia and I thought he was impressive but a little too frail for me in the first two days. Any games I should watch other than Georgia?

I like him a lot. He's never missed a game in 4 years at UMASS. These little guys just seem to bounce around like pinballs. Patriots have been trotting out smurfs for ten years and no one really seems to talk about it. TB12 puts them in a great position for YAC with his elite accuracy, I think Baker could do the same. Dude just looks like a faster Wes Welker.

Should be able to grab him in the 3rd or possibly move up to the late 2nd. Imagine the crazy stuff we could do with him out of the backfield in all these misdirection sets. If he's drafted - I trade Duke and pick up a CJ Anderson type.

I don’t know who those other two guys are, but from what I have watches and read about Isabella he is a guy who will be a pretty good player in the league for a decade.

10 Shrine Game practice standouts for Browns fans to know


Four days of practice sessions for both the East and West squads are complete here in St. Petersburg for the annual Shrine Game. Over 100 NFL draft prospects worked out in front of scouts from every NFL team.

The Browns were well-represented during the practices at Tropicana Field, including VP of Player Personnel Alonzo Highsmith. Here are 10 players, listed in alphabetical order, who stood out as good fits for the Browns from the practice sessions and prior game tape.


Cortez Broughton, DT, Cincinnati
Broughton first caught my eye when his Bearcats stumped my Ohio Bobcats back in September. He did not stop, bringing his disruptiveness to St. Pete and the East practices. Short-armed but broad-shouldered and powerful, he played this week at 291 pounds and can add 8-10 more. If he does that and doesn’t sacrifice the quickness and ability to snake through gaps, he’s going to be better than incumbent Browns starter Trevon Coley.

Jon Duhart, WR, Old Dominion
The most physical wideout during the week, Duhart uses his 6-2, 215-pound frame nicely to make himself a big red zone target. He’s not quick off the line but can run by DBs if they let him stretch his legs. I did Brett Rypien not see him drop a catchable pass (an issue with the West QBs, notably Easton Stick) all week.

Matthew Gay, PK, Utah
The Browns seem unlikely to draft a kicker, and Greg Joseph has the potential to be the long-term solution. But if the Browns want a change or a more legit competition this offseason, Gay is a good candidate. He nailed 3-of-4 attempts from 57 yards in practice sessions and just missed from 63, showing a big leg and some control of it, too.

Ulysees Gilbert, LB, Akron
Fans of the MAC know what Gilbert can do already. The kinetic inside backer has sideline-to-sideline range and hits with some pop. He delivered a rare big hit in Tuesday’s practice that drew audible oohs and aahs from the scouts in attendance. He has the size and natural nose for the ball to make those plays on Sundays, too.

Terry Godwin, WR, Georgia
Godwin was easily the most impressive skill position player on the East roster. He checks a lot of receiving boxed: great hands, body control, acceleration, toughness. He’s a worthy contender in the middle rounds for the Browns as a slot receiver.

Khalil Hodge, LB, Buffalo
Hodge is an easy guy to find on Bulls game film. Look for the ball and chances are you’ll see No. 4. He racked up over 400 tackles in his final three seasons. Hodge can play inside or outside backer. He weighed in heavier than expected here at 255 but told me he plans on being back in the 237-240 playing range by the NFL Scouting Combine. The added bulk did not appear to slow him much in the East practices.

Ka’dar Hollman, CB, Toledo
A former walk-on, Hollman was probably the most consistent cover man during the practice week. He projects as a slot CB who can shift outside and is comfortable in man or zone coverage. One thing I really liked about Hollman in the West practice sessions: he adapted quickly to how to play each of the receivers based on their style. That’s impressive.

KeeSean Johnson, WR, Fresno State
Trevor Sikkema of The Draft Network called Johnson his favorite prospect of the week, and it’s easy to see why. Johnson is sleek and polished as a route runner. His ability to create space for himself even on short routes stood out. So did his hands and ability to make himself bigger by reaching out and snagging passes that others were letting get more into their pads. Has all the makings of a really good No. 3 WR in the NFL.

Chris Nelson, DT, Texas
Nelson is not much of a pass-rush threat, neither for the Longhorns nor the West squad. He is more of a traditional immovable object of a nose tackle. He is built like a tank and shows that kind of brute power. Nelson was great at getting his hands into the chest of the blocker and blasting his way to the point of attack. He appears to have an NFL future as a reserve interior DT, a spot where the Browns should be looking for help.

Daniel Wise, DT, Kansas
If the Browns are looking for a version of Geno Atkins or Aaron Donald, they would be wise to look at the 283-pound Kansas standout. Wise was a wrecking ball on the defensive interior all week, consistently whipping blockers with a quick first step, strong hands and excellent lower-body strength and drive. That showed on game tape, too. Wise wins my vote for the best player in St. Pete this year.

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/...s-fans-to-know/

Most yards run per route from the slot:
Marquis Brown 7.45
Hakeem Butler 5.21
Jaylen Waddle 4.46
Keesean Johnson 4.13
Dillon Mitchell 3.73
Jerry Jeudy 3.59
Jamal Custis 3.53
Laviska Shenault3.49
Parris Campbell 3.44

I really like Brown as a playmaker, reminds me of Hill in KC. Will he fall to our 2nd round pick though?

We have Callaway???

I'm conflicted. Our receiving corps made huge strides this year, no doubt. And, most fans probably see our biggest receiving need at TE. But Hollywood Brown's speed is Tyreek Hill-like transcendent. Not every reception of his at OU was a bomb...there were several short passes that he turned into long plays because of his speed-of-light ability in a football uniform. I've never seen anything like except for KC's Hill.

I think from the aspect of speed, we have that covered. The only place we seem to be lacking in the WR department is that big, physical WR. I don't feel we need to make a huge investment to accomplish that.

We have Willies/Ratley who fits the bit for the big WR. Ratley is 6'3 and runs 4.3/4.4. Question is is Dorsey Ok with them developing. Perriman is also 6'3 with good speed

Deebo Samuel, Marquis Brown, or Hunter Renfro in the 2nd round.

I'm not that familiar with Brown but what makes Hill so special isn't just his straight line speed, it's his vision and elusiveness in a crowd, which is impossible to teach. If he has THAT, count me in.

If he has THAT, you can almost bet the farm that Dorsey is in on it, too.

The thing to keep in mind with Brown is his lack of contested receptions, which will only be exacerbated in the NFL.

And, if he has all of that, no way he lasts until our 2nd pick.

Dorsey has managed to find THAT in players outside the first round. Not saying this player, but he still has the "IT to find THAT".

You need to put a reasoned context around that: Is the number low because he cannot make a contested catch (too weak, doesn't fight, etc) or is the number low because he is fast enough and quick enough that there just aren't that many people that can hang with him well enough to contest many catches?

This is where percentages are a better way of viewing the data because it gives you two data points: number of contested opportunities and number of catches. You now have a degree of context.

He can, it's been taking chances.


Hill wasn't unknown. As a Gator, I know more about Callaway. He was a first round talent without his troubles. Might have been a top 20 or so pick. Not even might, he would have been. Callaway is a good player. Hill is a good player.


I like that John takes chances on player. Many on here thought that selecting Mayfield was a risk.


Baker isn't perfect, but who the hell is?

It'll be pretty much impossible to tell where the WRs will go until the combine where people can get all the measurements and times. However, I've heard that Brown is a 2nd or 3rd rounder because of his size.

There will be a lot of talented WRs dropping in this draft because there are a lot of good ones. I'm hoping to get more into scouting the WRs over the next month. Only started with Isabella and I'm slowly coming around. Apparently he is having a great Senior Bowl week.

The buzz coming from NFL people around the Senior Bowl in Mobile has confirmed a couple of major changes in how the offensive line is shaking out that have been percolating for several weeks.

For starters, it appears that Washington State OT Andre Dillard has emerged as the top LT prospect in this year’s draft class. Scouts had been just a little concerned that he might not have prototype length for the position but Dillard was able to check off that box during yesterday’s weigh-in and then went out and held his own in some epic one-on-one battles with Mississippi State DE Montez Sweat, an emerging top ten prospect in his own right, during Tuesday’s practice session.

At the same time, Alabama OT Jonah Williams, the consensus top prospect at the position for some time, has seen his grade take a hit on concerns that he doesn’t have the length to play OT at the next level and may have to kick inside


https://gbnreport.com

Ive been reading around re: a small school safety / CB prospect - Nasir Adderley. I think he will go fairly early but he looks a fantastic prospect - some links -

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/12/23/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-nasir-adderley/

https://fullpresscoverage.com/2018/12/21/raiders-2019-draft-prospect-safety-nasir-adderley/

https://herosports.com/fcs/football-delaware-nasir-adderley-nfl-draft-bzbz

Draftek have him rated as their #2 safety and #19 overall.

https://www.drafttek.com/2019-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-College-Safeties-2019-Draft.asp

Senior Bowl -
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...s-leonard-in-lb




I see some Desmond King in him - in fact, a lot. King is a great safety. I know safety isn't a pressing need but I think a guy like Adderley, who can play CB or S, offers a lot of flexibility in a zone D (or man for that mattre, dude can cover). King was projected as a 1st rounder and fell, I think due to speed concerns, but he has been fantastic for the Chargers and is an excellent returner. King also played CB at Iowa.

If you're looking for perfect, don't look in my direction!

There are risks in a lot of players selected in the draft. Sometimes the gamble pays off and sometimes it doesn't. Baker is paying huge dividends!

My guy. He won't run fast but he is a heck of a young man and will play the hell out of special teams.

They said he had the highest top end speed of the North players. I believe it was a bit over 22 mph.

If that's true he is going to be drafted higher than I anticipated.

I do like McLaurin quite a bit. He came through for the Bucks on numerous occasions. He has a lot of clutch in his game.

With that said the one unknown player that I'm hyped with is Emmanuel Butler Hope the Browns scouting department is thorough enough to look at this kid.

A lot of posters say we need a bigger outside receiver.