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I'd like to see us draft a speed / option guy but I like the room we have. That could even be a RB.

We need playmakers - size doesn't matter really.

Although I do think I'd like another option at TE though as it seems we aren't that hot on Devalve and he is oft injured, which is a shame. Someone like TJ Hockenson out of Iowa who is big, can catch and block and is a very viable receiving threat.

just my 2p obvs...

https://www.news-herald.com/sports/andy-...a4e07c2db3.html

Andy Isabella creates buzz at Senior Bowl, says he's run 40 in 4.26 seconds

Since you hit the nail on the head, thought you might enjoy this. Running scared will never be uttered about him either. Runs routes as well or better than anyone in the NFL and will take you out of your shoes with his jab-step. Imagine, another dude told he couldn't do it, told he was to small... from Mayfield, OH. It's almost destiny lol.

I think reading some of the press from the senior bowl Isabella impressed. Will try and dig out the link but yes, he's the kind of x-factor guy that I believe fits.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/26/5-prospects-who-improved-their-stock-in-the-senior-bowl-game/

There's only one problem I see with the report you posted.

The position isn't called Wide Burst. It isn't called Wide Separation. It's called Wide Receiver. It seems the Receiver part is what he had trouble with.

If we sign Perriman and Higgins, I'd spend "higher" on a TE than a WR in this draft. Hockenson from Iowa would be perfect.

No reason we should be loading the box so much. Get a WR and let Devalve develop. Multiple TE sets should be situational imo and not a base of a modern offense.

That depends on the make-up of the TEs. If you trot out Njoku and let's say Hockenson - both can split out as receivers and Hockenson can block. I think TEs are becoming more interchangeable and you can maybe disguise your play calling and intent a little more if you can run and pass effectively out of the same look. Just my 2p obvs.

EDIT: I do like Seth D though. I hope he can get over his injuries as I think he fits the mould.

I don’t think Seth fits what we want to do here ...

I think when we use two TE sets its gonna be Njoku and Fells or someone along the mold of Fells ... much better blocker that reciever that when left unattended can get the job done catching wise ...

I think Freddie wants to utilize his 2nd TE as more of a blocker than reciever ... i think he’s going to utilize this above average WR room to spread the field as recievers as opposed to doing it with Njoku/Seth or any other TE ...

Thats just based off what i saw this year ... not sure what Fred will do longterm but i get the feeling he’s gonna want a really good blocking TE to assist Nick and our running game ...

Can we re-sign Perriman and Higgins now or do we have to wait for some reason? .. i’m CLUELESS when it comes to that stuff ...

We can re-sign our own potential free agents at any time.

Yeah, we used second and third TEs to help w/blocking under Freddie.

I am sure they are still going to do that.

I think DeValve will have a hard making the team next year. I like Orson Charles to make the team. We aren't going to keep 4 tight ends.

Maybe DeValve makes it more as a wide out of sorts.

The Browns have a well-coached, middle-of-the-road wide receiver room, as far as I’m concerned. Arbitrarily, it probably ranks in the top half of the league in terms of effectiveness, but it lacks difference-making talent; however, it compensates for that fact with depth and a diversity of skill sets, and I’m fine with that. You can piece together an effective passing game with a precise scheme and a quarterback. And I believe Monken will enhance what we’ve seen in that regard.

Jarvis Landry is a very good receiver – and I’m glad he’s a member of the Browns because his attitude is contagious and contributes to long-term success – but he’s not a number one. A receiver needs to change and dictate coverages in order to earn that distinction. Landry does not. At his best, Landry is an elite complementary weapon. Someone that can just dominate the flow of the game from the line of scrimmage and the slot with a sprinkling of vertical elements. Pairing Landry with someone like Odell Beckham Jr. would bring out the best of his talents, though I don’t believe Dorsey is interested in paying the price for OBJ, and there’s certainly an argument against tying so many resources into receivers.

The others – Callaway, Higgins, and Perriman – all have limitations or questions that still need to be answered. Callaway needs to add a lot of polish to his game, but the raw talent is there. I hope he dedicates his first off-season as a professional to working out with Antonio Brown, Landry to better himself. Higgins is a solid receiver, but he established immediate chemistry with Baker, which elevates his stock. Perriman appears to be a legitimate deep threat and successful reclamation project, but needs to prove consistency.

Overall, I’m perfectly fine with that quartet, Njoku, Duke, and added depth in 2019. I’m only interested in a first-round wide receiver or trade if it’s someone with elite, game-breaking ability. Otherwise, we can continue to add cheaper complementary pieces, such as a big-bodied, red zone threat or another slot receiver.

I also think Ratley and Willies can factor in....Willies is that bid red zone target....he is 6'4". It's to early to write them off.

First thing that needs to be discussed is who are the true #1 WR’s in the league ... i don’t believe Vice Grips is one but he certainly is a PLAYMAKER .... we’ve been bantering this about all season and we’ve never really defined WHO the #1’s are ...

For me ... the true #1 WR’s in this league are:

AB
AJ
Hop is prolly the #1 WR in the league right now ..
K. Allen
M. Thomas ... damm .. he does nothing great and has no physical attributes that stand out but damm does he just produce produce produce ... INCREDIBLE HANDS ... his drop rate has to be extremely extremely low ...
Julio
D. Adams
K. Golladay
OBJ

Is TY Hilton a #1 ... dang he produces but doesn’t do much over rhe middle of the field ... he’d be borderline in my book ...

Mike Evans maybe ... Tyreek Hill is not in my book ... He’s a one trick pony as far as I’m concerned ..

So to me there’s 9 of them for sure with another 3 debatable ...

Am i missing anyone? ....

And two of those 9 I would want nothing to do with ... AB or OBJ ... both incredibly special talents and both head cases that at this point in there careers i’d like nothing to do with ...

Your thoughts on who the true #1’s are? ...

Don't think Golladay would be on my list. All the others you mentioned, yes.

I would include:
1. Cooper - DAL
2. Hilton - Indy
3. Thielen/Diggs - Min

My reading comprehension is bad. This post originally mentioned someone who you already included.

I would add Tyreek Hill. He nearly had 1500 receiving yards in 2018. Teams fear him just as much as they fear these other guys.

JuJu Smith-Schuster just finished his second NFL season at age 22 and had 1426 yards. He's got to be on the list.

Mike Evans has been a consistent beast. He deserves consideration.

As Hammer mentioned, Adam Theilen. He's basically white Antonio Brown.

In the end, to me, the #1 receiver is the receiver who the QB just threw the ball towards.

You are the #1 guy at that point.

Ozzie was a tight end, but he was our #1 receiver.

You don't draft a #1 receiver. The QB dictates who is going to be the #1 receiver.


One could argue that Higgins was Bakers #1 receiver, thus our #1 receiver.


Baker spreads it around. We may never have a #1 receiver in the sense some people vision. We may end up having 3-4-5 guys with 50 or more catches.

It makes sense to me because those guys enter routes knowing Bake is going to toss them the rock. It would get pretty old to keep running routes and the QB never throw the ball your way. This way all the guys are on their toes, digging hard.

I liked your post. I agree w/a ton of it. However, you said this:



I think most will agree w/you. I'm not real big on defining what constitutes what a number one WR is, or defining what a franchise qb is, etc, etc.

However, you said that Landry doesn't change or dictate coverages. I'm not getting on your case and I am NOT fighting w/you. I like your posts and want you to post more. I'm just pointing this out for conversational purposes, but I have to disagree that Landry doesn't draw extra attention.

There was a video that was posted on this board of Bill Belichick mic'd up for a game against the Dolphins and how many times BB talked about Landry. They did indeed change their coverages to try and control Jarvis. He kept saying.....Landry, Landry, Landry during the game.

I get that he isn't the prototypical number one WR, especially in regards to height and speed, but I do believe that teams do game plan against him and this helps make other receivers look better.

jc


I wouldn't say that wr is a need, at least not in the sense that our personnel department is going to be placing wr prospects as the penultimate priority going into the draft and FA....

But I will say, that our young team, midway through the season when Higgins was sidelined for a brief, but meaningful stretch; and I think Perriman was either yet to be signed, or still too raw with regard to the playbook to begin contributing...

This stretch definitely exposed a lack of depth.....and finding some guys to fill out the position, it should be addressed at some point...I'm not saying its gotta be within the first 5 rounds.....and I'm not saying we should even be looking at the top half of available FA's....but we should consider adding some bodies to compete and flesh out the ranks...

To both Diam and Vers:

I should’ve been clearer.

To me, the primary characteristic of a number one receiver is their ability to dictate coverage. The secondary characteristic is their ability to win their matchup despite defensive execution.

That’s still something of a nebulous definition, so I’ll elaborate.

Jarvis Landry can do both of those things. We’ve seen teams bracket him on critical downs to force the ball elsewhere. On a 3rd & 5, a defense might call for an inside/outside bracket to maximize horizontal leverage against Landry and prevent the first-down catch. On a 4th & 20, it might be an over/under bracket to maximize vertical leverage. Regardless, Landry is good enough to warrant extra attention in certain situations. And we’ve seen him come down with circus catches against perfect coverage.

It’s a matter of consistency of ability and percentage of snaps.

The elite dudes – Brown, Green, Hopkins, Jones, Beckham, Adams, Thomas, Hill, Allen, Evans, and Thielen, in no particular order – have an elite trait (or combination of elite traits) that demand constant attention, regardless of down and distance or field position. Hill’s ability to torch corners off the line basically mandates safety help. Evans’ ability to abuse corners on jump balls basically mandates safety help. They do it in different ways, but they’re two of the most prolific deep threats in the game despite stylistic differences.

I imagine Landry’s perfect role as something similar to Wes Welker in that explosive 2007 Patriots offense. An elite complementary weapon. A possession monster. A chain-mover. Now, team-building rarely affords the luxury of perfect roles (because Randy Mosses don’t come along often), and I think Landry is capable of more than Welker.

Like I said, I’m perfectly fine with Landry as the number one target of the 2019 Cleveland Browns. As Diam said, he’s still a playmaker and I believe in Kitchens/Monken to maximize the skill sets that we’ve got.

I like Charles a lot. He is a very intelligent guy also.

j/c,

We had one of the top 2 or 3 offenses in the League down the stretch with the players we already had on the roster.
I think that having a handful of receivers is better than having one superstar, because teams will have a harder time defending the pass against us.

Gallaway is only going to get better too, and there should not be the learning curve he experienced early on, going forward.

We most likely will add a few players in FA and the Draft, but even if we did nothing @WR, we still have a pretty good group, and I am including Higgins, and Perriman.

Rashad: "Let's get it done!"

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/rashard-higgins-extension-browns-let-212302716.html

That's good news.

And I just look back and see Jarvis stomping his feet in the WR room. He helped rid the disease and he and Baker seem to be spreading a new virus. This one seems to be contagious as well.

Though he has made a couple clutch catches.

I don't really remember any key passes caught by Charles.

I do seem to recall a couple of drops. I just went and looked and he had 3 catches for 23 yards and no 1st downs.

I think he's replaceable.

4 other NFL teams agree with you.

I know there weren't many catches but I though a couple were 3rd down conversions. Maybe I'm thinking of Fells.

According to ESPN's stats, he had 0 catches for 1st downs.

Gotcha.

Other than Njoku, our other TE's are cogs in the wheel, not where the rubber meets the road. They can easily be replaced by other journeyman at a low cost, with a similar skill set.

I can see us drafting a TE from this class.

I believe we will pretty much go BPA. And it may very well end up that we select one.

That's what I'm thinking.

I think you were thinking of Fells. I thought he played well last year given that he had limited opportunities.

j/c

I just the WR Corp they have now can go get it done. Baker has a knack for finding the open guy. Dude spreads it around as good as, if not better than every franchise QB out there.

That said, I wouldn't be opposed to getting him some more playmakers. A WR that is a cut above the rest would certainly make it even more difficult for defenses to plan for. Because Baker has no qualms about getting the ball to anyone else as well.