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Pretty well cut and ready to go. This guy, or something huge target like this guy. Give him jarvis hands . . .

The Browns need more help on the defensive side of the ball...

A seocnd would be a consideration, but the reality is that we have FA to think about first.

When is the last time we could say this ... +1

DK is my guy.

He has everything we need at the WR position, is slotted to go around our pick and it doesn't hurt that he's related to Eric Metcalf :-D

I know it's hard to gauge a tall guy's gait, but he's a low 4.5 guy.

The dude is the best WR in the draft class and it's not even close. The most consistent negative I've seen against DK from scouts is that he's constantly lining up on the left side of the field

I think that if this kid's neck checks out, he should easily be our first pick in the draft.

I think people need to keep in mind that Jerry Rice ran a 4.71 at the combine. Being a great WR isn't about how fast you can run at a track meet in shorts. If you want a WR who only runs the post route, maybe. Otherwise, a great WR is about far more than straight line speed.

I believe Josh Gordon only ran a 4.52 at his workout before we took him in the supplemental draft and he proved that he was actually faster then that when playing.

I remember a commentator, back in the day, talking about Eric Metcalf and using the term "functional football speed". He marveled that Metcalf seemed to carry all of his speed in full gear that he would in shorts and a tank top, and how that wasn't true of all players. How it applied regardless of weather and field condition. I've always wondered, since draft stock goes up so much based on the combine, why we don't run a second 40 in full gear. All that said, elite speed is icing on the cake, if they can't do everything else you mentioned, they're definitely not worth a high value pick.

Great route running and great hands will always be the biggest factors in great WR's. Speed is just a bonus.

What kind of sick world do we live in when that can't get you higher than #21?

No offense, but it might be a good idea in the future to watch a little bit of film on a guy before surmising a website's opinion on him. That's not to say go watch his highlight reel, but maybe just watch a game of his. As for 40 times, WalterFootball isn't really a great guide for them. I used to use Walterfootball's 40 times religiously to see which prospects had the most athletic talent (I remember watching a lot of Chris Johnson at ECU because of this, so it's not like he's wrong all the time). I will say that Walter is a lot more wrong than he is right on 40 times. This is not to bad mouth the site, which is very important, but it's just to say that Walter guestimates his speeds and has been doing it for a long time. Take the times with a grain of salt.

As far as elite quickness is concerned, I'm not sure he has it. It's extremely hard to tell without a 3 cone drill. What I do know is that none of the Ole Miss WR's (There are three of them this draft, all ranked near the top) will have "elite quickness" written into their scouting report. That's because Ole Miss's offense would rather a WR go deep and win a jump ball than cut a few times on an intermediate route like you would see in a West Coast offense. The play style that Ole Miss uses is not conductive to shifty guys. They would rather try to test the SEC's cornerbacks than test the SEC's linebackers and safeties in the passing game. They're so far indebted to this philosophy that they only have 3 sub 6'1 WRs on their roster. It's weird, but cool. It kind of reminds me of when Georgia Tech had Calvin, DT and Stephen Hill. They certainly look for a skillset down there.

As far as to why we should focus on DK at 17, well there's a few reasons for that. Mainly because he's only played in 21 games in three years, with him seeing season ending injuries in his Freshman and Redshirt Sophomore season. I would assume that he's the WR with the least amount of game film. The NFL draft has mainly been about minimizing risks instead of maximizing gains in terms of selecting players (see us taking Myles Garrett instead of Trubisky, Deshaun or Mahommes). I would assume that the light amount of film will make a lot of teams feel uneasy about him compared to his teammate, AJ Brown or others like Paris, Marquise or whoever else, who has the game tape and doesn't have a long injury history. There's also some technical limits to his game tape, at Ole Miss he only ever lined up on the left outside spot, he didn't work the right side or the slot. That'll be another question mark in the minds of GMs and scouts. Lastly, there are some dang good WRs in this draft. It's not top heavy, it's not middle or bottom heavy, it's just heavy. We're getting to the point to where wide receivers are looking like swing guards in the NBA with how big and fast they are. Maybe some teams play back knowing that they could get a goon like Riley Ridley in the bottom of the 2nd or Paris or Marquise at the top of the 2nd. Teams might be a little more hesitant drafting a WR in the first if they think they could get that production in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Just my 2 cents at least.

Route running and great hands are much more important than straight line speed for a WR anyway. Julian Edelman ran a 4.52 at the combine and nobody can cover him.

They are certainly nonreplacable on a football team. That said, and I've seen the Edelman thing brought up a lot recently, is that the Patriots did just trade for a WR that check marks all the boxes, besides consistency, to replace Edelman as the number 1 guy.

IMO WRs and skill positions in general is like having a big tool chest. You need guys who can do a variety of things, and know that not one guy will be able to do it all. So when you're going into your game or getting ready to fix a bike or a sink, you can look at the tools you have an understanding on how you're going to tackle the problem... While your wife, son, daughter or whoever looks at you longingly and asks you why the hell do you have six types of wrenches in the same box. You chuckle, knowing that you might be able to consolidate to a combo wrench, but know there's going to be a day when you need an allen wrench. It's much better to have a diverse set of skills that can tackle a load of problems than to have one tool that can tackle 99% of your problems.

While I certainly agree with your premise, the only place straight line speed helps a WR is on a straight post route. So I guess if you want a WR with that ability alone, speed should be a big focus.

Maybe in a vacuum. I would state that a deep threat makes the safeties play back further and helps feed the underneath routes by creating more space to cover for the defense. I'm not saying that speed is King or all important, or even more important, all I'm saying is that it helps. There is a very good reason why the Pats chose to play Cordarelle and Dorsett more than Hogan once Edelman returned. That said, I think we've already found our north south speed guy in Calloway. But I also think we found our Edelman type in Jarvis, who won't blow anyone away with how fast he is, but he'll get separation due to his quickness.

I agree that speed is a plus. It's a nice option to have. But our fastest speed guy is Perriman. He actually ran a 4.24 and a 4.27 at his pro day.

At the combine Callaway was clocked at a 4.41.

Metcalf was injured in 2 of his 3 seasons, and underwhelmed in the 3rd.

He was explosive at times, but he was 3rd on his team in receiving yards, and 4th in catches. His entire 3 year career yielded less results than AJ Brown's did last season alone. (and Brown has 2 seasons of elite level production)

He appears to be talented, but you have to project him a bit. He simply hasn't produced in elite numbers at the college level long term. He did well last year as the 3rd receiving option ..... but is that what you want at #17 overall? personally, I think that #17 overall is to high for him to go. There should be elite talent available at #17 overall, especially on the interior DL. (our biggest need, bar none)

When you get sucked into measurables in order to fill a perceived need, you make mistakes. I think that Metcalf would be such a mistake.

Is it just me, but is this the most boring lead up to the Draft ever? LOL

We aren't looking for a QB... At least not in round 1 anyway....LOL

Curious. Have you watched any Ole Miss games from this year? DK, was the primary target through his seven games, which is why he's 3rd in receiving yards and 4th in catches and 2nd in TD receptions, despite playing half a season.

You're going to have to project every WR in this draft. None of the WRs were asked to do a lot of things, but many can do one or two things well. Can Paris Campbell become an excellent intermediate route runner and deep route runner? Will Riley Ridley make more of an impact in the NFL? Will Marquise Brown survive the hits? Teams don't have 30+ scouts because every pick is sure fire. The draft is full of projections. Thinking about things like, "I'm not sure if he's worth the x pick" is fully speculation that can only be based on hindsight, thus it should not go into the decision making. I do think he's the best WR prospect in the NFL draft this year. I'm not sure if that means he's top 10 worthy or what. I do know that three years ago the Browns had a chance to reach on Michael Thomas, but instead got Corey Coleman at pick 15. Maybe reaching isn't so bad if you draft good players.

That said, I've stated many times around the bowl games that we should draft either Ferrel or Dexter Lawrence. Which I still believe. But I also believe that drafting DK makes a lot more sense than drafting a swing tackle, back up linebacker (Devin White) or God Forbid, a TE.

It's much easier to project a player in the top 3. One thing we know for sure is that there are runs on positions of strength. There really aren't any stellar QB's rising in the draft so that leaves the top open.

By the time you get to #17 there may be 4 or 5 DL players and 2 or 3 CB's taken. It's very hard to say what position or player will be BPA by the time our pick rolls around.

No top 3 pick, no multiple picks in the first or the second round... Say what you want about Sashi, but at least he knew how to keep a fan entertained during the offseason

Yeah, when you need everything including a QB, it's hard not to be heavily involved in the draft.

His uncle is Eric Metcalf and his grandfather is Terry Metcalf. That settles it for me; he's plenty fast.

I don't think he was the #1 option. I just went and looked, and he was, in terms of receptions, by game:

3rd
3rd
1st
2nd
2nd
3rd
6th

Brown was almost always their leading receiver.

My 2p - if a receiver (a receiver or TE) falls to a pick where they represent BPA, then we take them. We almost have that luxury now. I think the top tier talent is mostly on the defensive side so I wouldnt be surprised to see our 1st 2 picks being on D. I trust Dorsey, DePodesta (like or not, he has input) and the whole staff to put us in a good place.

Not sure how much influence that Depo has in regards to the draft. This is a quote from Wickersham's article about our last draft w/Dorsey in charge.



That was such a great article w/tons and tons of relevant information. I think that perhaps a lot of people didn't read the entire thing because it was very long.

Some folks want analytics to play a major role so they just IGNORE THE FACT that in talent evaluations it can’t have much influence ... ITS NOT BASEBALL ... the VARIABLES in football make it IMPOSSIBLE to make it feasible ..

For example .. how do u do an apples to apples analytical comparision between Bake and Darnold ... one was a 5th year senior playing in a conference that PLAYS NO D ... the other was a true sophomore I believe playing in an entirely different conference an in an entirely different o that doesnt play much D but they at least know how to SPELL IT ...

This year ... how do u do a comparision between Haskins/Murray ... IMPOSSIBLE to do analytically and come up with anything meaningful ...

About the only way it can help is with the measurables ...

ANALYTICS has its place ... the draft or talent aquistion is NOT ONE OF THEM ... its a small small tool at best ... COMMON SENSE DICTATES THAT ..

Wilks hit on it in his presser .. he said analytics helps in game planning and the calls u make in game ... my guess is it plays a HUGE ROLE in that ..

Good luck convincing the menZas otherwise ...

I’m done wasting my time with SASHI’S CULT or debating this with posters like Peen that just don’t know what they don’t know .. there the shiny new object cult ... *LOL* ..

I said it yesterday ... KING JOHN sure did make the ANALYTICS DEPARTMENT look a lot better in the draft and in FA aquisitions ...

Kenny Britt vs Vice Grips .... ...

drobs isn't one of those guys. He's a even-keeled, solid poster. I believe it was an honest mistake because he probably read some things on here.