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j/c...Devin White is a consideration.
I think Avery is going to replace Collins as the SAM, obviously he blitzes much better I think moving him around in 2 point on passing downs is a great asset. Also was impressed with his edge rush defense against the RUN. He cut down the outside better than anyone that I saw.
I also was impressed with his Pass defense when not asked to rush and instead drop back. Its something he has to work on but will improve on that.
I think Devin will be an upgrade on Kirksey, not that I'm disappointed with his game. No gain in speed but I think his skill set is much better. He can also play Mike but I think we will look for Schobert to continue his leadership skill set at the Mike. Also food for thought.
We can get Sean Lee who is everything Schobert is but with much more talent. Oft injured only means Schobert will get his playing reps as we pick utilize Sean Lee in a manor to keep him fresh. He is a 10 Mil cap hit. Keep in mind a lot of that cap hit is bonuses that will be paid by the Cowboys. But they will save around 6-7 mil in cap space. We have 3 draft picks in the 5th round. We can give them the Jaguars pick. That doesn't mean change our draft pick of Devin White...but he can learn a lot form Lee.
Personally I see with strict vetting by Dorsey and his staff to choose one of the following:
Andre Dillard
Greg Little
Jonah Williams.
Right now I'm leaning towards Greg Little as he would be my choice for RT. We would definitely upgrade on Hubbard.
Robinson at LT but I really think the off season is going to be a good thing in progress for Harrison. He was not conditioned correctly as he played 2017 at around 270 cause his small school didn't have the proper diet for him...he had the same meal plan as an Art major.
Of course the key will be his drive and hard work to become great. We will see I would not mind Both Robinson and Harrison so that we can let them fight it out of course as a backup I'm sure we would be over paying Robinson but we also could trade him before the trade deadline to a competitive team in the NFC that lost their LT for a pretty penny.
But For me I think Greg Little can become a beast at RT.
His pass Pro right now is about equal to Hubbard but that is without any PROGRESS. Don't know our OL Coach but he has a good reputation in his teaching. Little is an eager worker and I think in no time can become a force.. Like all rookies he will struggle a little in the beginning. But if we can get him to have a good Knee bend and stop from getting erect in his work mode..he can become GREAT not good but GREAT!
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If we could trade him. His contract probably precludes that.
He will probably be cut.
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Yeah, no one is going to trade for him at $10.5 million in 2019 and $12.5 million in 2020. His salary would be $10 million, with a $100K workout bonus and a $400K roster bonus. Roster bonuses usually come due on the 1st day of the league year, if the player is still on the roster. I believe that the League Year begins on March 13, 2019.
We can cut him prior to and save $8 million against the cap. If we keep him beyond the league year open, then his can hit would be either $8,4 or $8.5 million, depending on whether ot not he attends all off-season workouts.
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I would rather trade back, not up... For future assets. I want to continue to build for the future as well as win now. If we can drop back 4 or 5 spots and gain an extra 3rd or 4th round pick, that's great. Of course it all matters on who we want. I also don't mind parlaying some of those picks into a better selection, but I don't want to win just today, I want to win for the next 15-20 years.
I also have seen a few mocks with us selecting a WR at 17. I don't think there's anyway we do such a thing based on Dorsey's history. Betting DL or at least defense somewhere will be the 1st round pick.
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Only players I would trade up for is Bosa, Q.Williams, and D.White, and I think Bosa is a long shot as he will go top 3 and I can't see Dorsey trading up that far as it would cost to much.
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I'd prefer to take an OL later, so they aren't "forced" into action before they are ready.
Are we overlooking Corbett? He was practically a first rounder. I didn't see enough of him to get any read on his future. Kind of like receivers, OTs can take some time to adapt to the NFL.
I think our biggest need is pass rush-- interior or an edge bender. Seems to be a good draft for them. Another versatile DB would also be nice.
I think we can improve our run D with effort and attitude improvement, i.e, emphasis on physicality/actually practice tackling regularly. I think we need more talent as far as pass rush.
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I am really curious to see if Chad Thomas can take a 2nd season step forward.
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J/C - I am leaning towards Byron Murphy, CB, Washington, with our #17 pick. I think he would make a great tandem with Ward and is in a similar mould.
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This makes sense because Ward is a question mark long term.
He may not last long
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Top 10 DL talent will be there at 17. There are a few corners in that 2-4 range that have natural God given ability to be elite but they may not be as well groomed as some of the others that go in the first but probably have more upside.
Personally, I want the best pass rushing defensive linemen I can get in this class. Our secondary was good even with all the injuries but we just didnt get one on one pressure outside of Myles Garrett. Dont really care if we go DE or DT in the first but rather just take the highest rated defensive linemen we can get and that may end up being Ferrel the DE from Clemson or one of these terrific young tackles.
while teams are looking for O they will take receivers, Qbs and offensive tackles that are honestly 2nd round talent, meanwhile we can kill our biggest need and truly go best player available.
Savion Smith of Bama
JoeJuan Williams of Vandy
Lonnie Johnson of Ky
Kendall Sheffield Ohio St.
I like those 4 guys every bit as good as I do the group of corners most have projected as 1st round talent. It makes it easier to hold off on corner a bit as I love our 2 starting corners. We just need to begin developing guys behind them.
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Often time when one focuses on a single position or even two, you may overlook better talent on the board. At #17 we have no idea of what talent will be on the board and what positions will have had runs on that talent.
I believe many of our fans are more focused on actual positions than what the BPA will be at the #17 pick.
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This makes sense because Ward is a question mark long term.
He may not last long The CB is the preferred choice at 17, I'd have no issue with taking one. 1. Ward had two concussions in one season. 2. The TJ Carrie signing has been a complete bust so far. 3. Mitchell had injuries last season. 4. EJ Gaines had injuries last season.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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This makes sense because Ward is a question mark long term.
He may not last long If CB is the preferred choice at 17, I'd have no issue with taking one. 1. Ward had two concussions in one season. 2. The TJ Carrie signing has been a complete bust so far. 3. Mitchell had injuries last season. 4. EJ Gaines had injuries last season. Couldn't edit past certain post time.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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This makes sense because Ward is a question mark long term.
He may not last long The CB is the preferred choice at 17, I'd have no issue with taking one. 1. Ward had two concussions in one season. 2. The TJ Carrie signing has been a complete bust so far. 3. Mitchell had injuries last season. 4. EJ Gaines had injuries last season. Plus, as deep as DL seems to be in this draft (my uninformed impression), I think that there should be some seriously high quality DL available into Rounds 2 and 3.
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J/C again - I think we need to pick up 2 DBs by hook or by crook for the reasons mentioned on this thread. I think Murphy is the best CB. I think Adderley out of Delaware is a terrific FS prospect who can play a little corner. Robinson out of James Madison got injured and is returning to school - he was my latter round sleeper but I suspect he may have made Day 2.
You can't have enough good DBs. I think our O is pretty set bar depth on the line and maybe more options for Mayfield to spread the ball to. Hockenson I think would be great but I now read he may even make the top 50 (the Kittle effect, but Iowa churns out some great TEs - Fant is another who is probably gone in the top 40). Hubbard and Robinson played well enough for me. Cody Ford looks like a monster; I do like Evans out of Ok. State as a LT prospect but we have Harrison for that.
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JoeJuan Williams of Vandy
Lonnie Johnson of Ky
Kendall Sheffield Ohio St.
Even though I'm a Buckeye, I'm more impressed with the first three players on your list. I would add a few more that interest me. Starting with the UofM corner, Long, Marshall of USC, small school kids, Ballentine and Blace Brown too.
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Best DB or Best DL available. I cant see it being anything other than that. Ward worries me but a stud DL would be really nice.
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Often time when one focuses on a single position or even two, you may overlook better talent on the board. At #17 we have no idea of what talent will be on the board and what positions will have had runs on that talent.
I believe many of our fans are more focused on actual positions than what the BPA will be at the #17 pick. Right, but since we don't know who is going to be there at #17, we end up talking about what we want or hope is there.
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With the Browns most glaring need being a DT I fully expect the Browns to sign 1 in FA and draft 1 fairly high. This draft the DT depth is where the strength of this draft lies at the top, I feel unless a Cornerback that the Browns may covet is there at #17 when they pick the pick will be a DT Christian Wilkens, Dexter Lawrenece, Jeffrey Simmons, etc...
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I think our biggest need is DT/LB on the defense, and Tackles on offense. I know everyone says how improved the line got, thats more on playcalling and Baker getting rid of the ball.. They were still the second worst tackles in the league. They can be upgraded.
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I dont see a major need issue at either linebacker nor at corner. Depth however is a concern. DT and DE however are in major need of an influx of talent. Ogbah is a rotation guy at best and we have 1 dt that is deserving a roster spot. I would go at DT and DE in both free agency and the draft. The tier 1 talent in this draft is at DT and DE along with pass rushing tweeners.
When we look at corner, Mitchell and Ward were fantastic hell we really never got to see both on the field together. Corner I love the mid round guys. best bang for buck position in this draft.
I also wouldnt mind seeing a good pass catching TE/big slot and call Devalve the bust he has been.
At the end of the day, draft is really set up for us to go BPA while filling our biggest areas of need. With the extra picks we have, might be a good year also to seek out a few trades with those former first round ready to be busts.
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I also wouldnt mind seeing a good pass catching TE/big slot and call Devalve the bust he has been.
At the end of the day, draft is really set up for us to go BPA while filling our biggest areas of need. With the extra picks we have, might be a good year also to seek out a few trades with those former first round ready to be busts. I wouldn’t consider Devalve a bust. He’s a midround pick that contributed. His injuries have been disappointing but I feel like he’s played up to his draft slot when healthy. Can his talent level be replaced, yes. But I won’t call him a bust. Are you saying that we should trade our “former first rounders ready to be busts”? Or are you saying we should look at other teams’ former first rounders that may not be living up to their draft slot for their current team? Because the only first rounders on our team currently are Garrett, Peppers, Njoku, Baker, and Ward. I’m not thinking you’re looking to trade those guys.
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There are a ton of guys on other teams that havent developed and teams wont out like we did with Danny. Guys that showed a little b ut whether injury or scheme change or coaching change just havent peaked and teams wont to recover anything for their high pick investment.
All these coaching changes will mean a lot of teams looking to get rid of those types of players. We have been on the bad end of this far to often.
OO almost forgot, we took a shot on a player with way to many injuries in college in devalve. He has been the same player, flashed a little injured a lot. He is an injury bust. Its not always talent that makes a player a bust,
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I certainly agree with you about Devalve. Even his best season here, 2017, of the last three he had one TD and less than 400 yards total. It's easy for fans to fall in love with our players and sometimes it makes it impossible for them to see the forest for the trees.
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I’ll agree he’s been a ‘medical’ bust. Unavailability has kept him from his potential. I just look at the word ‘bust’ as being held aside for those that never lived up to their draft status. Richardson, Manziel, Gilbert.... busts. I choose to not lump Devalve in with that group.
It’s symantics I guess. Either way all those players never contributed enough to the team.
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The only thing that gives me reservations about Byron Murphy at 17 is that's two very slim, short CB's on the exterior of the defense when Ward has already had problems staying healthy. He's a great cover guy, but I"m not sure I'd take him to pair with Ward at 17.
I want Christian Wilkins, especially if he tests well athletically.
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1. Happy Birthday bigbad...
2. One thing when we are talking Code Breakers (my name for the rare positions) QB, LT, Edge Rushers and Cover Corners. the ones we deem as really good for us to take, usually by draft time end up taken well before our pick especially when we are picking at #17.
3. Going on record here we are going to make EPIC moves in the FA market for Defense. Just Saying in our sites. Richardson, Clowney/Lawrence, KJ Wright, Landen Collins. 2nd tier CB Desir!
Just my suggestion I've read somewhere where we are actually having some talks with the agent regarding Clowney. In the past that news meant the agent was using us to get their Client a better contract and we were never in the mix. Now is a new day a new dawn of an era. We are the Front or close to front runners in any acquisition!
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Bro ... we have NO CLUE whose going to actually be available in FA yet ... Like Clowney ... or the DLman from the falcons ... i see no way they don’t get tagged ... Once the day to place tags on these guys passes then u can have a realistic convo about who we may go after ... I want us to go D at 17 ... if we go O ... please let it be a tackle and not a WR or TE ... JUST SAY NO king john ... 
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I certainly agree with you 100%. I mean it's great fun for some people who like to speculate. As long as they realize that until the deadline passes for tags it's nothing more than pure wild, speculation on these big name guys.
At the moment I've been looking a lot more at mid level guys aged 28 or less. Preferably 24 to 26. Going into their second contracts is an ideal situation to get a player on a four year deal who will be young enough to be productive over the life of a four year contract. I usually disqualify players who are 30+ for obvious reasons.
With such a young team I think the goal is to try and build your roster for the future. I don't see guys who you can only count on for a year or two as accomplishing that goal.
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I understand about the FA market in the past many sign by FA time.
Like Clowney ... or the DLman from the falcons ... i see no way they don’t get tagged ... I doubt both get tagged so that being on the same team one or both will be up for grabs. Actually read about them really negotiating hard to keep Jarrett. Haven't read on that much in pursuit of Clowney, they got a lot invested in Watts.
Usually top talent though like a Clowney if his 2nd contract by this time is not signed yet, they are going to be available for the FA market.
There are actually 4 guys. Clowney, Lawrence, Clark and Ford. I don't know who but I haven't really heard of a buzz regarding the Franchise tag on them.
I also don't know who is going to be available at #17 hence my draft thread requesting a top 17 list so that one will be there. Once the day to place tags on these guys passes then u can have a realistic convo about who we may go after 1. my apologies for talking about FA in a Forum and thread about the draft.
2. But it is a practice of most GMs and definitely by Dorsey to cover any possible NEED via FA prior to the draft with the premise that if done so they would be more apt to utilize the theory of BPA in the draft.
Being a draft thread I should not have gotten into the actual guys I want or think we could have or take. I should have left it at - We will make an EPIC move in FA that will take any talk of NEED out of the equation when we draft.
Hope I fixed it up for ya... 
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BITE ME ... ... Sorry for infusing some REALITY into your wish list of Clowney and Jarret ... Carry on my brother ... ENJOY BUD ...
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First you say we have no clue until tag period is over and FA market commences.
Then in the same breath you state Sorry for infusing some REALITY into your wish list of Clowney and Jarret 1. so you claim its a REALITY??? what happened to we don't know yet? lol 
2. For the record Jarrett was never on my WISH LIST...my suggestion is Richardson that guy on the right team will be a nightmare. His one season look see contract is pretty secure on not being tagged. Just as the season prior when he had the same contract with Seattle.
Come on man give me some props. Again...won't talk on this subject again on this forum or thread at any detail that is.
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Like Clowney ... or the DLman from the falcons ... i see no way they don’t get tagged ...
I doubt both get tagged so that being on the same team one or both will be up for grabs. I don't understand this comment. Can you expound on it? Clowney plays for the Texans and Jarrett plays for the Falcons.
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I’m done here .. not getting into this petty BS .. lighten up tabber ... The REALITY i infused was the fact we don’t know whose going to be available until the day they can tag them passes ... I’m out .. like i said earlier bro ... ENJOY MY FRIEND ..
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Best guy on D who is available.
This Devin White, the LB. Any trade-up scenarios we might be looking at , if we wanted him?
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