DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus It's the economy, stupid

I read a post the other day - forget who and which thread - but it basically said the poster supported Trump because he was making everything better while the implication was Obama was weak (and a socialist and ruined the economy?).

So I figured I'd go in search of some key metrics - ideally with charts or data over 20 years to show before Obama, During Obama and then Trump.

Here's what I pulled:

Unemployment. Overall and Unemployed Black/African American (I changed the date range to 1999-present):

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000031
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE
From the same site.
https://www.macrotrends.net/1316/us-national-unemployment-rate
Different site

Illegal Immigration. This from Pew:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/28/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

National Debt. I said at the time of the Trump Tax cut - what was the goal? Economy was booming, job rate was excellent ... all we were doing was increasing debt ... and here we are.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/187867/public-debt-of-the-united-states-since-1990/

Cost of Healthcare:

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/char...ime/#item-start

The Economy - Dow Jones: Sure 'the economy' isn't totally reflected by the DJ - but it's a good indicator and it's one people like to site in support of Trump. And Trump has done well - equally well as Obama. The difference as I see it being the state of the economy that each took over when they entered office.

https://www.macrotrends.net/1319/dow-jones-100-year-historical-chart

I'm not sure what other key performance metrics to look at and analyze .... These were the first ones that I could think of.

But ... based on what I see, Trump is not doing much different than Obama in any area. So what are people looking at and paying attention to when they say Trump is out performing Obama with regard to the economy?

Just thought while writing this about Coal Jobs: I know this is an industry Trump has pushed hard to help and has a markedly different platform than Obama.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES1021210001

And then renewable energy jobs for a comparison: (I didn't find a real easy graph to present)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/04/25/climate/todays-energy-jobs-are-in-solar-not-coal.html

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/26052...olar-wind-trump

I get what your saying,, if you look at the starting point for Obama then compare that to the starting point of Trump, you'll see that overall, Trumps numbers are more or less a continuation of Obama era results.

Trump inherited a strong economy despite what folks on the Right say. They just didn't care for the regulations Obama put on some industries. That's the Rights base so of course, they get all riled up when their supporters do. Makes sense. Doesn't mean they are correct or being honest.

They are just protecting their money machine.. Like Murray Energy in West Virginia.. Donated a ton of money to the Trump campaign and to his inaugural committee. Now trump has ordered a coal fired plant to remain open even though the TVA wanted to close it. It happens that Murray Energy supplies that plant with coal... Can't be anything to that can there? Just a bit Snarky on my part...sorry.

Many other examples exist,, but I'm whistling in the wind.. The Libs will say YEA, the Cons will say NO WAY! LOL It is what it is I guess.

The left does some of the same things... nobody is guilt free.

But Trumps lies kill me.. I wonder what or who he'd blame it on if the economy was at the same place for him that it was for Obama? Would he blame Bush or Clinton. Would he even have run as a republican. He may have run as a democrat in that case... that's my guess.

The head of Murray energy also made a 16 point plan to save coal which Trump has accomplished 14 points of that plan so far. Funny how that works isn't it?

Yup,, for Trump, it was never about saving coal jobs or the Coal industry,, Just getting his pockets lined by Murray and his type from other industries..

If you wanna know what's up with Trump, always follow the money. Always