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Yep. Winning does nothing for us. The best case is still to finish dead last.

Look at you guys talking like the NBA draft lottery isn't the most rigged scheme in the world

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Considering we've won it 4 times in the last 20 years, I like those kind of rigged odds.

Historically, the team that loses their biggest player gets the #1 pick the following year.
Gilbert Arenas gets suspended from the Wiz, they get the first pick.
Pelicans lose Chris Paul, they get the first pick.
Cavs lose LeBron, we know.
Wolves lose Love, they get the first pick.

Ya'll get the point. I think the lottery is designed to keep fans in small market teams invested in the NBA despite sucking. So I think that we'll probably get the first pick unless the NBA really wants Zion, KD, and Kyrie to play together. And while the Knicks are a major market team, they're ran as incompetently as any of their small market peers

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I don't think it matters where the Cavs pick. I don't believe they will ever be relevant again.

Just wait till they hire your guy Sashi

LOL

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Cavs need to keep losing. I want to Zion in a Cavs jersey.

He's just absurd. That comeback last night against Louisville was incredible. ESPN had Louisville with a 99.9% win probability with 9 mins left to go when they were up by 23.

JC

Just a reminder for everyone to pump the brakes on the losing out for Zion. Since the NBA has changed the way the lottery works (starting this draft), worst team now only has a 14% chance at the top pick. Nowhere near as automatic as it used to be. Combine that with our past history of getting really lucky and I'd say our chances are pretty slim.

Correct. Still, lose out. There are other benefits if you are the bottom team and don't end up with the #1 pick.

By all means. Just saying to temper expectations and look at some other top tier talent for the wish list. Zion is not a given and maybe even a bit of a stretch regardless.

I'm guessing the NBA did this to eliminate (or at least limit) the "tanking" mentality.

It's kind of like our government. My students who were on welfare almost always had newer and more expensive phones and shoes than I did.

Maybe the NBA should give the team w/the most wins the first pick, then the second pick goes to the next winning team, etc. The idea would be to win as many games as you can during the season to promote competition and eliminate purposely tanking.

No doubt that was the intended goal.

Nothing would foster competition more than giving Golden State KAT and Ben Simmons

Sometimes, you have to think outside the box.

Like sucking for three years and then getting very good very quickly.

If the NBA wants to better competition they need to get rid of max contacts. It artificially stifles the market at the top and inflates the price of role players.

The Cavs are idiots, ran by idiots and deserve to suck for the foreseeable future.

LOL. No doubt... how 'bout this... Team with the worst record has to trade picks with their Division winner. Not only would all the lower tier teams be clawing and scratching into April, it might bring a small significance to having Divisions!

Yeah, obviously it was tongue in cheek. However, I think there might be something to the notion of not rewarding teams for tanking.

I think the league would also be more interesting if teams that don't have a realistic shot of winning 'Chip to be trying as hard as they can to win games throughout the season. Teams like the Cavs, Knicks, Grizzlies, Hawks, Pelicans, etc trying to win games late in the season to "improve" their draft status rather than trying to lose games.

They should relegate the bottom three finishers to the D-league, like they do in English soccer.

Why do y'all hate the Cavs so much

Not getting high picks, regulation, there's no way the Cavs would be a viable team with these restrictions.

The Cavs are the second most incompetent team in the league, we don't need to give them more hoops to jump through.

Hell, last draft we avoided Luka, Michael Porter Jr and Trae to get the bum Sexton whose ceiling is Elfrid Payton mixed with Pat Beverly. The Cavs are so poorly ran that they drafted a defensive minded point guard. That's Steipen level incompetence.

Kind of a fun game tonight. 2OT. Cavs up by 3 with 3 seconds left ...... and those incredibly hideous uniforms.

On to a 3rd OT.

Well, we blew the 3rd OT.

I just have a problem w/tanking. I think that it adversely affects the integrity of the not only the game, but the league itself. I also find it appalling that fans are being charged full price for tickets to watch a team that is trying to lose.

Tanking is a problem for the NBA. I think they should do something to try and correct the problem. The move they made this year w/the lottery process was done to help ease the problem that has been created. I don't think it's enough.

So, how about this:

The 16 teams that make the playoffs maintain their current order in the draft. That remains untouched by the new rules.

The 14 lottery teams draft in reverse order. For example, the team w/the 17th most wins would draft first, followed by the team w/the 18th most wins, etc, etc.

I think this would help in the effort to keep teams competitive and trying to win games. That would create a better product on the court and teams would actually be trying to make deals at the trade deadline to improve their team rather than to sell good players to already good teams so they can have a better position in the draft.

Mark Cuban brought this up. He said, basically it would create reverse tanking. Where teams on the bottom half of the playoff seeding would tank themselves out of the playoffs to try to get one last superstar to put them over the top.

The problem with basketball is that one player can immediately flip your franchise fortunes around, so there is huge incentive to get that first pick. Maybe they should have an equal odds lottery, but the bottom 3 teams get poorer odds at getting a top 3 pick. So finishing last would almost guarantee you a 4th pick, but nothing higher.

Another solution might be to just do away with the max contract. You want to give 90% of your cap money to Lebron, then go for it. You just have to build the rest of your team on that 10%. Want to give the hot new college star a 30% contract? Go for it, but if he doesn't pan out, now you're stuck with that contract.

Yeah, that's the hole in the proposal.

I do think something needs to be done because it's a real problem for the league.

Most teams that tank aren't charging fans full admission for tickets. For example, Cavs tickets are much cheaper today than they were a year ago.

I also don't have a problem with tanking. Yeah, it sucks for a few years, but the future payoffs are tremendous. I wish the Cavs did a better job at tanking over the past few years before we got Bron. But honestly, would you rather be a fan of a team like the Jazz or Kings, or the Cavs and 76ers? We're not just talking about one year here, but over a span of a decade or so.

I think the NBA is fair when it comes to talent acquisition. For bad teams to become good in the NBA, they need to have talented players. The Cavs will never have a winning season if we have to play Kevin Love, Sexton, Clarkson, Cedi and the 15th pick in the NBA. There is no way we'll ever be in playoff consideration after Christmas if we can't add a super star to this team. Same with the Knicks, Suns and Grizz. Unless they're finding diamonds in the rough, and in the future, 5-10 years, I think the NBA will have enough talent, not only at the top of the draft, but enough to add another round, teams will have no chance at becoming better than the bottom 5.

Like I said earlier, I don't think the NBA's problem is talent acquisition, it's talent allocation. And one thing that is helping the league is teams who tank are trading their older, more talented players to playoff contending teams. For example the Grizz just traded Marc Gasol to the Raptors in an effort to tank. Now the Raptors have a Big 3, and the Eastern playoffs are looking to be a lot more competitive than in any year past. The Wolves also traded us Kevin Love in an attempt to tank. If you remove the incentive to tank, then these star players go nowhere and teams either get assembled in FA only. Which again goes back to the problem in the NBA, that free agency is the only way to make your team extremely good, because of the max contracts, which allows some teams to acquire at least three all star players, when there are only about 30 NBA players who are naturally worth 30 mil a year in a free market. And this is what I mean by talent allocation. There are enough super stars for each team to have one, however, the way the NBA is set up, you need at least three all stars to be compete for a Championship and it's been this way for near a decade now. At least in the 2000's, all you needed were two great players and one really good one. The way the NBA is set up now, teams like the early 2000's Pistons would never have a chance at winning an NBA championship despite being one of the best defensive teams of all time. If the NBA wants to fix their problem with parity, they need to change free agency.

If teams don't have three + all stars, then there is no need for teams to tank for three seasons so that they feel that they can be competitive. Look at the team who really showed the flaws with tanking in the modern NBA. Maybe they start trying to get good once they get Embiid and Simmons instead of feeling like they need to find another all star for the team.

I will say that I find it impossible to argue w/your "logic" and leave it at that. LOL

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Oh my goodness. There is hardly anyone at the OKC/NO game. The NBA has a problem.

Hmmm. One's a playoff contending team. The other one is a team that's refusing to tank

Actually, they are committed to losing.

You not know what happened last week?

I do. However, there are things you are apparently unaware of. Had you watched the pre-game show, you would be aware of them.

You're in one of your moods. Very arch or Eve-like. Have a good one.

lol Nah, I didn't watch the pregame. I'm reading black leopard red wolf. I did get the DK alert tho. And more importantly, everyone saw the game last night and realized that AD was done trying. Like many things, you can't tank half arse. They could organically be having these results, but with a host of good, young talent. Instead they'll float out of the bottom 5. While the teams that are tanking are barely scratching double digit wins, the Pelicans are 8 games out of the playoffs and they have been playing good basketball prior to this.

Jrue clamps up PG13 to seal the game.

The "tanking" team just beat the playoff team with an MVP candidate.

Gotta love the NBA

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Some people confuse the difference between what ownership/management is doing w/what the players are doing.

Just because management is trying to lose doesn't mean that the players are trying to lose. I can't believe that is even being confused.

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More details about the Anthony Davis trade

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/02/14/anthon...handled-quietly

Sources: Pelicans Would Have Considered Anthony Davis Deal if Lakers Handled Negotiations 'Quietly'

Management decided not to take a deal to tank because the Lakers were too busy trying to court AD in public.


Of course the first time LeBron tries to recruit a player, it back fires. He should've practiced first by trying to get some talent to the Cavs.

https://streamable.com/o67na

Anthony Davis got injured near half time and walked out of the stadium with Rich Paul instead of watching his team clinch the dub. The NBA is the best sport to watch.

You "liked" you own post? LMAO

I got a fat thumb