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AM I the only one starting to think the hype around Murray is overblown? I think he is good but, personally I would take Haskins I think over Murray. I thought he played decent/good against Bama but there are alot of negatives that I think the talking heads on TV are not talking about. He is undersized,has one year of starting experience, was leaving football for baseball a couple months back. If I were making the draft pick for an NFL team, I would not be happy that he is not competing today.
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Not that it matters, but Kyler Murray started for A&M as a Freshman for like half? the season.
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AM I the only one starting to think the hype around Murray is overblown? I think he is good but, personally I would take Haskins I think over Murray. I thought he played decent/good against Bama but there are alot of negatives that I think the talking heads on TV are not talking about. He is undersized,has one year of starting experience, was leaving football for baseball a couple months back. If I were making the draft pick for an NFL team, I would not be happy that he is not competing today. Murray has COLLOSAL BUST written all over him. Short. 14 starts? Is that number correct? That's just starters. I PRAY Klinger takes him #1. He'll be back in College football in 2 years.
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After his six years at tech, he may be bumped down to JuCo or lower.
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Man, I don't know. Listening to folks talk at the Combine, Murray may be way better than guys like us think.
For example, the d-lineman from Texas was asked to compare Baker and Murray and he said that Murray was the best player he ever played against.
I'm done evaluating college qbs. I haven't exactly been on roll the last few years. I am at a point where I just watch and listen.
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This year I have not looked at any of the quarterbacks.
Have not seen Murray play a down.
Saw Gardner Minshew throw at the combine. He caught my eye. So I watched a little of him. That has been it.
It would be a shocker if Murray went number one.
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Watched Murray a lot I got to be a Sooner fan after watching so many games the year before. So that is a team that I would record every week among other. Ohio also cause many on this board like them, Michigan also as my wife likes them, its the team she used to get my kids into football at a young age, thanks to Wolverine and the X-men.
Alabama was the other, I personally liked Penn State cause back in the day I played and loved the MLB position and that was LB U.
So back to the post..I saw Murray, without a DOUBT he is the best College Football QB EVER!
What differential there is between he and Mayfield.
Mayfield is much much better in Accuracy not talking stat pct. talking NFL necessary accuracy.
Murray is much much better in scrambling and running with the ball. Which is almost a detractor of sorts cause hits will come.
Mayfield is much better within the pocket and his movement within the pocket. A little lateral step and buying time then hitting the open WR.
So that is my OPINION of the two. Hands Down we got the better QB.
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Murray will be better than Haskins though
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Murray will be better than Haskins though Disagree Haskins is a prototypical pocket passer while Murray is a baseball player 
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Bortles and Gabbert were prototypical pocket passers. As an Ohio State fan, Haskins left a lot of plays on the field, especially going deep. I like Haskins, but I just don't know about how well he'll do in the NFL, although he progressed a lot during the CFB season, which is very rare thing to do for any player, but especially the QB.
I really hope Haskins goes to NY. I think that'll be his best chance to succeed, but if he's gotta play in Jacksonville, well I'll be rooting for him, but not betting on him.
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Murray will be better than Haskins though I think so too.
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Bortles and Gabbert were prototypical pocket passers. As an Ohio State fan, Haskins left a lot of plays on the field, especially going deep. I like Haskins, but I just don't know about how well he'll do in the NFL, although he progressed a lot during the CFB season, which is very rare thing to do for any player, but especially the QB.
I really hope Haskins goes to NY. I think that'll be his best chance to succeed, but if he's gotta play in Jacksonville, well I'll be rooting for him, but not betting on him. I repect your opinion and I also hope he goes to NY because if he gets a learning year I believe he will be a very good NFL starter, and I don't think Bortles and Gabbert are in the same universe as Haskins ...
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JOSH ROSEN
QB, ARIZONA CARDINALS
NBC Sports' Peter King was told the Cardinals might only get a third-round pick for Josh Rosen.
"Probably a three," a "renowned NFL GM" told King. "Not what the Cardinals would think his value is." The Cardinals are reportedly planning to select Kyler Murray with the No. 1 overall pick, meaning they need to trade Rosen. Owed a total of $1.98 million in base salary over the next three seasons with minimal roster bonuses, Rosen's contract will be extremely team-friendly for whichever organization trades for him. Teams with aging starters, like the Patriots and Chargers, will likely take a long look if Rosen is actually available.
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If he goes to the Pats or Saints I'm going to be so mad.
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Regardless of where he goes ... I’ll just hope your wrong about how good he’s gonna be especially if its in our division ... 
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lol so petty. I love it. Now go to the WR thread and tell me what you think of miles boykins. You know I'm allergic to Notre Dame 🤧
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That wasn’t a slam on U dude ... He won’t be our QB ... of course i don’t want him to be good ... Just cause all u do is run around insulting people and calling them drunks doesn’t mean we all do ... that was just your subconscious speaking cause its what you’d do ... No worries ... i’ll make it easy for u from now on ... i’ll only reply to u when i want to slam u ... that’ll take the thinking about intent off the table for u in the future ...
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They can't seriously be considering drafting a midget #1 overall and dumping their 1st round qb of last year with 3 years left of a very cap friendly contract, for a 3rd rounder.
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They can't seriously be considering drafting a midget #1 overall and dumping their 1st round qb of last year with 3 years left of a very cap friendly contract, for a 3rd rounder. Especially when there’s a freak pass rushing DE in Bosa available. This is how bad teams stay bad. Taking flyers on suspect talent when obvious talent is in front of them.
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90% of Murray's passes last year were FROM THE POCKET. As an avid OU fan, I can tell you that Baker has nothing over Kyler as far as NFL passing goes. Pocket awareness, multiple reads, arm strength, facing the rush and getting the pass off...NOTHING.
You don't win the Texas state football championship three years in a row as a starting QB and not have all the attributes for success.
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90% of Murray's passes last year were FROM THE POCKET. As an avid OU fan, I can tell you that Baker has nothing over Kyler as far as NFL passing goes. Pocket awareness, multiple reads, arm strength, facing the rush and getting the pass off...NOTHING.
You don't win the Texas state football championship three years in a row as a starting QB and not have all the attributes for success. You didn't mention accuracy. Regardless, I don't feel theres a need to compare Baker and Murray. We have our QB. And as far as Murray, I think he has a shot at being successful in the NFL.
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I agree. Baker is out QB. No need to compare him to college players.
At one point it doesn't really matter if our QB is the best in the league. All that matters is that he is one of them, and he will be.
I am good with that.
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90% of Murray's passes last year were FROM THE POCKET. As an avid OU fan, I can tell you that Baker has nothing over Kyler as far as NFL passing goes. Pocket awareness, multiple reads, arm strength, facing the rush and getting the pass off...NOTHING.
You don't win the Texas state football championship three years in a row as a starting QB and not have all the attributes for success. There is a huge difference. Baker has successfully transitioned to the NFL and played at an elite level in the NFL. PFF had him graded the 9th (someone correct me if that is off - I am going from memory) best QB in the NFL in his rookie season. His play and grades got significantly better once Kitchens took over the play calling. Murray might end up being as good in the NFL. There is a chance he will be better - personally I doubt that but it's certainly possible at this point. Murray may also never have a season as good as Baker's rookie season ... we will find out soon enough. The GREAT news for Browns fans is - it doesn't matter. We have our QB. Murray and anyone else that rises quickly and gets taken 1-16 in this years draft simply results in someone else with a lot of talent at a position of higher need drops to us.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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Oh believe me, I wouldn't trade Baker for anybody! There's just a misapprehension on this board as far as Murray's attributes. Ignorance is a terrible thing to waste a football mind on.
Kyler is NOT a "run first" QB. If he does break out of the pocket, it's because it's the right thing to do. And he has NEVER put his body up for abuse. His slide is a thing to behold.
If it does happen, the mixture of Kliff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray WILL be very volatile.
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No need to compare him to college players.
I don't think people are comparing Baker to college Qb's but rather comparing college Qb's to him. This is a small but I think significant distinction. If you are comparing Baker to a college Qb then you are suggesting that we would be better off with that college Qb. But if you are comparing a college Qb to baker then you are using Baker to help evaluate that player and their ability to become a successful pro
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Just clicking, Not sure if it's been discussed, but I'm seeing a few Mock Drafts that have Murray going to the Cards at #1. Are they giving up on Rosen that quickly?
Then I read where Rosen is being traded to the Redskins as well.
I just can't believe they are giving up on him that quickly.
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Just clicking, Not sure if it's been discussed, but I'm seeing a few Mock Drafts that have Murray going to the Cards at #1. Are they giving up on Rosen that quickly?
Then I read where Rosen is being traded to the Redskins as well.
I just can't believe they are giving up on him that quickly. New coach, new system. Kliff system requires a mobile qb, rosen is a statue. I easily can see him wanting his own guy.
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Kliff system requires a mobile qb, rosen is a statue. This is 100% not true.
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Kliff system requires a mobile qb, rosen is a statue. This is 100% not true. He is not a guy who is going to make plays on the move. His career % on throws when forced to move was horrible. (42.2% completion when forced to move) I also cringe when the Brady Quinn type classification, "most pro ready QB in this draft" is applied to a guy. I do think that Rosen can be OK, in the right offense. He's gotta be protected though. I don't see him as being a good fit in Kliffberry's offense.
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I'm not sure that you can quantify a QB by anything he really does in college. According to accuracy Colt McCoy should have been a great NFL QB. According to being elusive RG3 should have been a great NFL QB.
The secret to finding a good QB is how well he will make the transition from college to the pros. I'm not trying to compare Murray to other QB's here. But what he has done is pretty irrelevant IMO. It's how well he can transition to the pro game that will define his greatness in the NFL be that bad or good.
That's a very hard thing to predict and it's the biggest reason there isn't a plethora of great QB's in the NFL.
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The mobility part, not the Rosen part.
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