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Did the justice dept. think that the country needed to be protected?

Graham calls McCabe comments 'beyond stunning' as he threatens to subpoena former FBI chief

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., vowed Sunday to investigate alleged discussions at the Department of Justice about invoking the 25th Amendment as a way to oust President Trump from office and threatened to subpoena former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe if he refused to testify on the matter before the Senate.

"We're going to find out what happened here and the only way I know to find out is to call the people in under oath and find out, through questioning, who's telling the truth because the underlying accusation is beyond stunning," Graham, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said on CBS’ "Face the Nation."

Graham added that he also plans to subpoena both McCabe and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein if they won’t voluntarily agree to testify before the committee.

"There is no organization beyond scrutiny," Graham said. "There is no organization that can't withstand scrutiny. And the FBI will come out stronger."

He said: "But we've got to get to the bottom of it. What are people to think after they watch "60 Minutes" when they hear this accusation by the acting deputy — acting FBI director that the deputy attorney general encouraged him to try to find ways to count votes to replace the president? That can't go unaddressed."

Since giving the interview to “60 Minutes,” McCabe has since made an about-face, with a spokesperson for the former FBI chief releasing a statement that says McCabe did not "participate in any extended discussions about the use of the 25th Amendment, nor is he aware of any such discussions."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/graham-...ormer-fbi-chief

Yeah they should investigate everything that is considered. Not what people actually are doing.

The 25th amendment is a legal course of action. It's not a crime to discuss it.

I think it is blown way out of proportion.

I do believe that the FBI may have had discussions about if the 25th amendment could apply after the Comey firing.

The problem is the FBI is not the cabinet. So they would be a spectator and not a participant.

Section 4 addresses the case of an incapacitated president who is unable or unwilling to execute the voluntary declaration contemplated in Section 3; it is the amendment's only section that has never been invoked. It allows the vice president, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide," to declare the president "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" in a written declaration. The transfer of authority to the vice president is immediate, and (as with Section 3) the vice president becomes acting president – not president – while the president remains in office, albeit divested of all authority.[6]

The "principal officers of the executive departments" are the fifteen Cabinet members enumerated in the United States Code at 5 U.S.C 101:[7][8][9]

Secretary of State
Secretary of the Treasury
Secretary of Defense
Attorney General
Secretary of the Interior
Secretary of Agriculture
Secretary of Commerce
Secretary of Labor
Secretary of Health and Human Services
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Secretary of Transportation
Secretary of Energy
Secretary of Education
Secretary of Veterans Affairs
Secretary of Homeland Security

Any sane person who listened to his declaration of national emergency speedh could plainly see the 25th should have been invoked. He's nuts.

From the 25th Amendment to Vladimir Putin: Five takeaways from Andrew McCabe's 60 Minutes interview

https://news.yahoo.com/25th-amendment-vladimir-putin-five-140528190.html

During his wide-ranging interview with '60 Minutes,' Andrew McCabe recounted his final months at the FBI, from the hours after James Comey was fired to his assertion that President Donald Trump may have an "inappropriate relationship" with Russia.

Trump on Monday blasted McCabe, a Republican who was fired last March as FBI deputy director just a day before he was set to retire.

"Wow, so many lies by now disgraced acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe. He was fired for lying, and now his story gets even more deranged. He and Rod Rosenstein, who was hired by Jeff Sessions (another beauty), look like they were planning a very illegal act, and got caught," Trump tweeted, appearing to point to McCabe's assertion that Justice Department officials had discussed asking the Cabinet about potentially invoking 25th Amendment to remove the president from office.

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25th Amendment:It's never been used, but ex-FBI head says officials thought about it

Here's what you need to know from the interview:

Rosenstein and the 25th Amendment
According to McCabe, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein raised the issue of invoking the 25th Amendment, asking McCabe if he believed other Cabinet officials would "support such an effort."

"He was discussing other Cabinet members and whether or not people would support such an idea, whether or not other Cabinet members would, shared, his belief that the president was — was really concerning," McCabe said.

McCabe also noted that Rosenstein offered to wear a wire into the White House, though he said he "couldn't characterize" what Rosenstein hoped to accomplish.

Reports about Rosenstein considering wearing a wire and invoking the 25th first surfaced last year. The Justice Department has flatly denied the reports, including McCabe's own assertions.

Investigating Trump and Russia
McCabe said Trump's actions, such as asking FBI Director James Comey to discontinue the investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn and the subsequent firing of Comey, led to a counterintelligence investigation.

"So all those same sorts of facts cause us to wonder, is there an inappropriate relationship, a connection between this president and our most fearsome enemy, the government of Russia?" McCabe said.

"Are you saying that the president is in league with the Russians?" Scott Pelley of "60 Minutes" asked.

"I'm saying that the FBI had reason to investigate that," McCabe replied.

Trump and Putin
McCabe went further into Trump's relationship with Russia, discussing the way the president spoke about Vladimir Putin.

According to McCabe, Trump had dismissed concerns about North Korea's ballistic missiles because Putin had told him they didn't have the capability of reaching the United States.

"Intelligence officials in the briefing responded that that was not consistent with any of the intelligence our government possesses, to which the president replied, 'I don't care. I believe Putin,'" McCabe said. "...It's just an astounding thing to say."

What happened after Comey was fired
Comey's abrupt firing in May 2017 meant McCabe, who had worked for two decades at the FBI, was now acting director.

McCabe described being called to the Oval Office, during which Trump told him that people were "thrilled" about Comey.

"And he said, 'I heard that you were one of the people that did not support Jim Comey. You didn't agree with him and the decisions that he'd made in the Clinton case. And is that true?' And I said, 'No sir. That's not true. I worked very closely with Jim Comey. I was a part of that team and a part of those decisions.'"

McCabe described this as the "wrong answer."

McCabe's memos
When asked how he had such clear memories of his interactions with Trump, McCabe replied that he was trained to make memorandums so he could recall those interactions.

Pelley asked what had become of the memos.

McCabe: Those memos are in the custody of the special counsel's team,

Pelley: Robert Mueller's team –

McCabe: That's correct.

Pelley: – has your memos.

McCabe: He does.

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also, i encourage everyone to not listen to vam....i mean BpG, and just watch the interview for yourselves.

pretty damning....with regards to trump.

I also encourage everyone to watch the interview. Pretty damning to the FBI and Justice department.

Also keep in mind that A report by the department's inspector general confirmed that investigators concluded McCabe had violated Justice Department policy by authorizing an aide to talk with the Wall Street Journal about the FBI's probe into the Clinton Foundation — and that McCabe had "lacked candor" in discussing the matter afterward inside the Justice Department.

Lying McCabe is also looking to sell a book.

thats fine, he already gave his memos to Mueller and spoke with him. thats all that matters.

If only you would hold Trump to the same standard.

So McCabe goes from, "I think you are an agent of the Russian government committing treason" and only 8 days later he goes to a meeting with the President saying, "I think you are an agent of the Russian government committing treason but I sure would like to work with you on a daily basis as your new FBI Director."

C-mon Pit, open your eyes!

Somebody has to keep an eye on him.

This is highly unethical of the justice department and the FBI. And they expect anyone to trust anything they say or do? They have zero credibility now.

In the old days if you were found trying to initiate some sort of coup you probably would have been shot or hanged. I'm not advocating for anything like that but there should be consequences not just a slap on the wrist. I mean there should be prison time.

People need to learn that they can't do things like this no matter who is the sitting president. You also can't attempt to use the 25th amendment in an incorrect way to subvert the constitution and rule of law.That amendment is only supposed to be used if the president is somehow handicapped or can't function such as being in the hospital.

This is highly unethical of Trump to collude with Russia and be America's first real Manchurian Candidate POTUS.

What does Manchurian candidate mean?

A Manchurian Candidate is a person, especially a politician, being used as a puppet by an enemy power. The term is commonly used to indicate disloyalty or corruption, whether intentional or unintentional.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/politics/manchurian-candidate/

jc

its funny how when AA's and latino's show distrust in law enforcement, white conservatives kept telling us to stop hating them and to show respect and that we're the ones with the problem.

now the same people are trashing law enforcement over trump, and they expect everyone to believe what they have to say on the matter.

watching the hypocrisy is quite magical lolololol

They don't see that problem bro, it's alrightl white to them.

So then you are an advocate of an illegal coup d'etat against the United States government?

That only exist in Fox News land... WAKE UP!

So then you didn't read any of the FBI testimony or documents then? Not sure where you're coming from.

I don't see a coup d'etat, I see a traitorous POTUS. As far as I'm concerned the imperfect actions of the FBI, Comey, McCabe and others trying to deal with that are 1000% honorable and history will prove them modern heros. Is that plain enough for you?

And where is your evidence of anything you just said? What a joke you are...

Um have you watched anything but Fox News for the last two years?

Have you seen the indictments and guilty pleas? It takes time to build an EVIDENCE BASED CASE... Not everybody can just call it Fake News and move on like a lemming.

I think a coup in under way.



Shameful.


This country is done.

I'm not at all sure they considered a coup, but they should have., We have a idiot child as president

I want to create extremely violent regime change in Venezuela, where the majority of the population supports the President. I do not want to create legal regime change in the US where the majority of the population did not vote for the President. I love democracy!!

The funny part in all of this is that it was a simple discussion. Nobody actually lifted a finger to do anything. Then they use it as some sense of fake outrage to take attention away from a president whose stability is questionable at best.

It's the old bait and switch con game.