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The corporate overlords decided to be a bit generous with the peasant, and now they got her arguing to the death in favor of them.

This is exactly why corporations have all the power, and government has to bribe them in order to get anything done.

They decided that she wasn't risky enough to stop insuring, and they'll still take her cash and she's ready to give it to them hand over fist!

They decided to not insure me years ago before Obamacare happened. Now they don't have a choice.

I have a $5000 deductible. That’s before the insurance company kicks and and starts paying a portion of my bills.
I’ll take a 7% tax increase. It’ll cost me less in the long run.

Not true unless you are excessively unhealthy or traumatically injured. And need to spend 5K in deductible every single year for the rest of your life.

A deductible only matters if you have an actual problem. And to have that high of a deductible means you are choosing the cheapest possible health plan from your employer with lowest coverage.

Much like the rest of us, if you want better insurance than you need to choose a better health plan.

Medicare for all won't change that. Medicare is a bare bones health program.

So, with Medicare for all, not only will you be paying jacked up 7% in taxes, but you will also be getting a bare bones health plan that doesn't cover everything.

What a deal.

Insuring nurse’s is expensive. Yes I chose a bare bones plan to save money as I rarely need to use my insurance benefits... of course last month I screwed my back up badly. Cost me dearly at the ER. My deductible is nearly covered already this year.
The thought/fear of being financially ruined by a medical diagnosis is real. I’ve seen it. Families shouldn’t have to wipe out all assets, inheritance, of their elderly parents, or what not, to cover their medical bills. Or to ‘spend down’ to assets less than $2000 to receive Medicaid. It’s criminal that we allow this to happen. Nursing homes are in the business of inheritance extraction. The care provided is laughable at most the places. Hell half of them don’t staff nurses 24 hours a day. Instead they rely on untrained/low skilled staff calling 911 for every fall, skin tear, minor injury. Passing the bill onto the tax payer. Meanwhile the facility owners keep staff low, profits high, and buy second or third homes.
Profit needs to be removed from this equation. Period.
Many of my co workers have family plans with crazy high premiums. Isn’t that a ‘tax’? Those premiums only account for part of their bill. When they do access their benifit they get hit with co-pays and leftover percentages that they have to cover. My guess is many of my co workers are being hit with regular bills that add up significantly over time. Ear infections, flu, stitches, etc things that most all kids end up with.
You keep focusing on ‘taxes’. Isn’t being constantly inundated with high premiums and medical bills and co pays etc a ‘tax’ on our finances?

“Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”... part of our constitution. Isn’t having access to healthcare without fear of going broke covered under this? I think so.

You can make all the excuses you want. But the 5K deductible you complain about is the one you chose over having better coverage.

That is the risk you took.

But don't say it is the same or better than having 7% tax increases.

Because 7K tax increase is a constant.

Having a random health problem is not a constant.

People with actual constant health problems will choose better health insurance/more expensive/lower deductible plans because it saves them money in the long term.

I don't know how old you are, other than you are in your 20's, but for your sake I hope you get some ins.
Even high deductible coverage.

I got crohns when I was 28.

There are lots of medical issues that can happen in your 20's believe it or not.

Don't risk it man. Hospital bills can wreck you.

Friend of mine is young and has crohns, he has to get transfusions of some sort for it every couple months to the tune of $10K a pop. He would be dead without insurance. He had a good scare transitioning from his mom's insurance to his own. He had a fork truck accident at work and was let go about a month into his insurance taking effect had to move his next transfusion up by a week to be covered or would have missed it. Medicaid said he made to much to help him out. Sad.

Hospital bills can wreck you.

Yes, that's biological meds which are extremely expensive. 10K a pop is Remicade. 1300 a pop is Humira.

All those tv commercials you see are for biologics. Which most ins companies don't cover because the price is ridiculous. But your Dr will try to push it on you anyways because big pharma pressures Drs.

If you actually want to have those drugs, your Dr has to fight with your ins to cover it. Or you have to be a poor person to get into their low income programs. The middle class can't have those otherwise.

It's a huge money making racket.

I stopped going to my Dr because every time I went there he kept telling me I have to be on that. Despite me not having symptoms. And me being self employed and never knowing if I will have ins from year to year to cover it. (you can't start taking it then stop it, or your body will build up antibodies to it)

So all I did was fight with that Dr and gave up going to him.

Thank you. Posts like this make the argument for socialized medicine for me. Lol

You say this like the Government doesn't negotiate which Meds are acceptable or not when it comes to Medicare.

None of us know what medicare for all will end up looking like. Bernie wants it to cover everything including dental and eyes (glasses). The GOP version would be a voucher and a tax credit for the rich. I'll take Bernie's version or as close as we can get.

No private insurance premiums, no copays, no deductibles, just extra tax. The by the time they negotiate drug prices and hospitals switch to a more preventative health care format, we'll all be better off than now by a long shot.

Losing a fake argument? perhaps. I've tried to find your 7% plan since you mentioned it. I've explained to you that M4A and Medicare are not the same thing. Yet you still tirelessly march on making up more stuff.

That said and jokes aside, because that was a joke. when has a Southerner ever been good for all America? The Clinton's? Maybe Carter. Another reason the Democrats lost to Trump is because they tried to cater to the South and ignored the Midwest, where labor is near its strongest.

Irony. Recently the Canadians on my website were bitching up and down about the terrible healthcare in Canada. That it took waaaay to long to get their health problems addressed and it was waaaaayyy too expensive.

They wanted to leave Canada.

Sounds familiar.

The reason the Dems lost to Trump was because they were a divided party. They stonewalled Bernie and lost all those Bernie bros votes. Ask OCD if he voted for Hillary. Go ahead ask him.

The Dems are going to lose again unless they can be united.

I will say, I don't care much about Southern politics. I feel (and it has been repeatedly proven) that politicians in the South are corrupt.

And same for the North.

You can't deny that. It doesn't really matter where politicians are from. They are all power and money hungry.

I don't believe this. You are reaching to prove you point.

So say it's Bernie vs Trump in the general, who you going to vote for between the two, no third party?