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excellent player to have at least quality depth,
I also look for him to become a jumbo fb against teams that are weak up front against the run he had some of the highest graded run blocks of the year

Isn't that the way a coach is supposed to operate? Shula was good at that as I remember. Noll seemed to feel you had to fit a mold. Strange,, both successful

Getting too personal rather than talking football. Counter-productive and does nothing in advancing the board...

It's great to hear that Robinson wants to repay the Browns faith in him. It is pretty incredible to see a bust player join the Browns and show up as one of the steals of the offseason. He's clearly worked hard and he deserves the reward.

I don't see it being a contract that leaves him uncontested at the position, but he'd be a great option to have.

I'm very interested in what will happens with Desmond Harrison. He was one of the stars of camp, and his beginning to the season was very impressive until he fell off a cliff. Everyone spoke highly of Harrison in his ascension to starter, but it remains to be seen if he was more a Hue Jackson guy or indeed he was liked by everyone. It's hard to tell with Kitchens, but Dorsey seemed genuine in his early praise of Harrison.

Those two guys are going to be key in determining what selections are used for what.

Harrison should have never seen the field. He was not physically strong enough and it was ultimately exposed. It was a red shirt year..

I still have hope for him, but was we saw was not the final product.

That's actually the point I was making. When you actually have a running game and the coach calls plays that use his players strengths, it shows. It wasn't simply magic that things made a sudden turn for the better once Freddie took over.

Agreed. Nice to have a developing player. I'm more worried about RT, to be honest. Chris Hubbard, for a 5 year $36M contract, was a little underwhelming.

He improved as the season progressed, but I'd like to see some more competition at the spot.

Remember last year when we were worried about fielding a competent OL after Joe retired?

I think that we have a better than competent OL right now, and solid+ depth in Harrison and Corbett. I expect that we'll grab another OL in the 3rd, 4th, or 5th round this year for developmental purposes, and really start a talent pipeline up front.

Maybe the contract, but statistically Hubbard is alot better than Robinson. There are 65 Tackles in the NFL(starters) Robinson was ranked 63 by PFF, Hubbard was ranked 50th

The line looked better because of our guards and center getting good push, allowing a space for mayfield to step up and move around into..not because of our tackles.

That Pat tackle, IIRC, standing in the huddle appeared to be taller than players near him. My wife remarked on it. Is he a big beast like that noticeably bigger? I am all in for a huge tackle or two up front.

I'd take it up a notch and suggest we have a more than competent OL, but a excellent one, particularly on the interior. I don't, however, see how we can include Harrison and Corbett as solid depth. Harrison sucked last year and Corbett only played in 14 snaps. That's not to say both cannot improve but I saw nothing that would qualify them at good depth up to this point, IMO. That said, I think the offensive line depth for awhile now has been lacking.

I think our offensive line depth is VERY questionable at this point and I hope, and expect, Dorsey addresses it somehow.

Not to mention that Mayfield gets the ball out like lightning so the tackles didn't have to block for too long regardless.

I agree on the interior. They were incredible. I was a little disappointed with Zietler following his first season in Cleveland, so to see him come back and destroy everything in his path was fantastic. That's not to suggest he's ever been bad, but the first season just wasn't dominant.

I think Nick Chubb deserves a nod, too. He was impressive considering most rookie running backs struggle greatly with blocking.

I do, however, think PFF's grade of Robinson is a little too far, in my opinion. He's not a solidified starter, but he's certainly solid. Again, though, both spots could do with some competition.

I think there were times when Baker got rid of the ball quick. That occurred when his first read was open. However, he ranked 17th in the league in Time to Throw, which I guess is about average.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards

I wonder how it would break down if we saw the stat between the first half of the season verses the last half of the season?

Good question. I was thinking the same thing.

Hmm. Pit does make a going point regarding post-Jackson play. I think the ball was definitely coming out then.

Hard to know why he's so low. Admittedly, this is another season where lower TTT directly correlated with mobility, frequency of deep passing, strength of OL and an outlier or two of ball holders.

Mayfield isn't a scrambler like some of 'em, but he's excellent at extending the play both inside and outside the pocket. I wonder if it just feels like he gets it out quicker because he's so controlled.

Interesting that it's a one-year deal.

j/c

Browns re-sign OL Greg Robinson



The Cleveland Browns have re-signed OL Greg Robinson.

Robinson joined the Browns last season and appeared in all 16 games, starting the final eight at left tackle. Cleveland surrendered just five sacks during the second half of the season -- the lowest of any team in the league -- compared to 33 in the first half. Robinson protected for QB Baker Mayfield, who set an NFL rookie record with 27 touchdown passes, and opened holes for RB Nick Chubb, who set a Browns rookie record with 996 rushing yards.

Originally selected by the Rams with the second overall pick in 2014, Robinson has started 56 of his 68 career games with the Rams (2014-16), Lions (2017) and Browns (2018). He is a native of Thibodaux, La. and attended Auburn.

In addition, the team has waived WR Daniel Williams. Williams spent the final four weeks of the season on the club’s practice squad.

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/bro...medium=referral

Maybe he wanted more money and the Browns said no, but we'll pay you well on a one year Show Me Deal and then, if you produce, we can make it a very lucrative long term deal.

Maybe.

JC...


I really like that it was a short term deal, I did not want Robinson long term...His work ethic comes into question, and if you listen to the last time Bitinio spoke, you can pick on some of the language that Greg actually was applying himself and he seems to need a lot of pushing imo...FO knows it, and why a short deal was worked imho...I just think he would be the type to once again report out of shape and be lazy with a long deal imo.

Interesting. I was wondering why the short term deal. Hopefully playing year-to-year keeps him motivated. I also see us drafting a LT whereas I didn't really think we would before if we resigned Greg.

Agreed.

probably because he's plan B or C depending on Harrison. Dorsey plans on addressing in draft of FA/trade

Not really.

We also have Harrison, and he could be the future. There are no guarantees with Robinson, but if he continues to show progress, he could also be the future. I would be willing to bet that the Browns and Robinson's people were far apart on a longer term deal, and this was the compromise, giving Robinson the chance to show the Browns he deserves a long term deal.

Perfect. We can have him in the mix for 2019 and if he stinks, replace him in 2020. There is no such thing as a bad one year deal.

While Desmond Harrison has less experience, he is nearly the same age as Greg Robinson. Harrison was born October 8, 1993, Robinson October 21, 1992. Harrison lost a lot of developmental time due to his problems off the field.

Left tackle seems to be a pretty deep position in the draft this year too. We might be able to snag a high quality player at 17.

j/c:

I am not ready to speculate what the one-year deal means, but I am glad that Dorsey got Robinson signed. I bet Baker is, too.

I thought he'd at least get 2 years... I am glad we got him for another year though. I'll take it.

Greg Robinson has been one of the worst players in the league (aside from the games he started for us last year). One year is the perfect length for a contract for him.

good news, and a good deal for us IMO

It's a good contract for both the player and the team.

8 games isn't going to get the player a big 4 year deal.

This way the player doesn't sign a low deal for 3-4 years, and the team isn't strapped in to a big deal for a player who isn't worth it..

Play the year, then the big deal follows, or it doesn't.

I was more surprised that Robinson was willing to take a one year deal rather than test FA. Betting on himself for one year.

It's a great deal for the Browns. Lots of flexibility.

I agree w/this. Not saying we are right to think so, but I was somewhat surprised that Robinson agreed to the one-year deal this early in the process.

I guess we'll find out, but it had to be a pretty fair 1 year deal. That, and maybe he sees a team on the rise and he wants to be here.

Robinson has more value to the Browns than any other team. To the rest of the league he is probably still the horrible player he was pre-Kitchens. That limits his market a ton.