DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2019 NFL Season 2019 NFL Draft Dorsey's Choice

I think he will fill the real needs we see in the FA market. Maybe not the big names some expect, but serviceable players at needed positions. It's pretty much the same thing we saw last off season. With so many draft picks, I can see him trade a pick or two for current NFL players to help in that department as well. We also saw that last year.

Then heading into the draft you can look at BPA and not draft based on need. This is the basic weakness we saw in regimes of the past that we didn't see last year.

Early prediction:

Dorsey stays at #17 and takes Christian Wilkins.

Alternative prediction:

Dorsey goes shopping for Baker and takes D.K. Metcalf.

Pit, I have a feeling you are referring to me when you say "...not the big names some expect..." I never said "big names." I said now is the team to build your team because we have a good qb on his rookie contract, as well as stars like Myles, Chubb, and Ward on their rookie contracts.

We just aren't understanding one another on this one and I don't think we see it much differently. I think he made a "big splash" last year when he made trades, got some free agents, and didn't trade down in the draft and used his assets to better the team by getting Baker, Ward, and Chubb. I think he will do the same things this year.

As far as who Dorsey will take....I have no idea. LOL

My prediction is he will stay at #17 and draft BPA. There's no way to predict who the first 16 draft picks will be or at what position BPA will be at pick #17. To me that's an exercise in futility.

I know some wish to go that route and that's fine. I outlined what I felt the strategy would be, not the pick.

I think our front 7 on defense is pretty terrible. Myles is a superstar.

Ogunobi is a solid penetrating tackle.

Ogbah was bad last year, 3 sacks oppo Myles is not acceptable, I was wrong about him.

Jamie Collins, I don't need to comment on. Played well once we were winning because he is a front runner. Not reliable.

Schobert is a nickle and dime package player, he is above average.

I love Christian Kirksey. Complete player when healthy.

When we had to play Vallejo, Coley, Price, Chris Smith more than guys like Chad Thomas.....I think we have front 7 issues. hell Ray Ray Armstrong played more than Thomas.


This draft is loaded with front 7 help. While every team needs a Fletcher Cox, we have nothing outside of Ogunjobi. Taking a DT in the first round USED TO BE taboo, but with spread offenses increasingly being the norm. Pressure up the gut is more important than it has ever been. I could see us going that route.

Unless they are sold on Avery, which they might be, they need to upgrade Ogbah.


Corner could be a need.


I guess I just cannot see offense being the route we go.

It will ether be D-line or D-line

My Prediction is that Dorsey stays put and takes BPA out of DT LB CB or WR in that order ... JMHO

Repost this in a month (post combine, a couple weeks into FA, but pre-draft) and we can make better educated guesses.

This being said, as of now, I'm going to go with staying at 17 and picking Devin Bush. Wilks runs a lot of zone and a lot of blitz and Bush does very well at both. He's also very good at run D. This assumes 2 things - Collins is gone and Devin White is drafted top 10.

I think he makes a play for White or Oliver. Don't know how he'll go about it, but I'm thinking front seven. If not, maybe he lands a corner he's in love with.

I'm not John Dorsey but I play him on Fanspeak.com, LOL. I would sign a couple of serviceable DL to cap friendly contracts. Like Philon from SD and Gunter from AZ. I would spend a little more liberally on an edge like Shaq Barrett and I'd sign CJ Mosely to a competitive contract.

If something like that happened then I'd take Jeffery Simmons at #17 and red shirt him for the year. I'd have his rights for a fifth-year option.

I'd love Devin White - I think he's the player I want most in the draft at this point. I have seen mocks where he falls but I don't believe it will happen.

Looking at the talent in the draft I expect DL or CB will make the most sense if we stick at #17.... too early to pick a player.

Based on last year I am more than happy to simply root for whoever Dorsey picks. I am fully expecting the law of averages to kick in ... Dorsey is not going to have the same success as he had last year every year. We may well have an average or even below average sort of draft when it's all said and done.

What if he does?

Yet if you look at his drafts in Kansas City and Cleveland, it's obvious last year wasn't luck.

You gotta admit, last year draft appears to be one for the ages (time will truly tell).

I doubt that anyone could copy that each and every year. Proof of that is all over the league...

Andy Reid was also in Kansas City. The combo of he and Dorsey was great at selecting players. Expecting Dorsey to draft as well as he did last year will only create unrealistic expectations. I’d settle for two starters.

Wait, was Andy Reid involved in our draft last year? LOL

He will pick up at least 2 starers in the sleepers of 4th and 5th rounds

He'll trade Hunt, #49, and #95 for the #13 overall and take Ed Oliver.
Devin White falls to us at #17

We sit out the second round, but still have our native 3rd round pick.

Fixed.

I've been thinking about WR a lot lately. First of all I agree on the FA comment for WR. I've seen nothing on Perriman or Higgins negotiations for a month now (give or take) and it makes me wonder if Perriman wants to hit the market. Higgins is an RFA, so at worse case we tender him. The more I think about it this, the more I think we trade for a WR. If we're not sure Perriman will sign with us, I'd think we'd offer up a mid rounder to Miami for Kenny Stills. It'd be like for like and Stills is relatively cheap.

Picking in the middle of the first round stinks. It's too hard to know who we will take. When we're picking in the top five we can at least narrow it down to two or three guys. Let's go back to stinking.

I think we stand pat and have a short list of 4 or 5 players and we take the best one available...

Some names I think will be on that list..

Devin White
Ed Oliver
Greedy Williams
Christian Wilkins

Most rankings I’ve seen would have all of those players gone in the top ten.

I am still ready to burn some later choices in draft to move up some for top-shelf impact or to secure some FA like edge-rusher or LB. Not sure how Dorsey will go about it, but I would love to see his list. Lean more towards a BPA approach if we get good signings of vets and FA's.

I trust him. Go, Browns.

No way does every name on that list go in the top 10.

The three guys I like who have a good chance of being there at 17 are:

Christian Wilkins Dt Clemson
DeAndre Baker cb Georgia
Mack Wilson lb Alabama

I would be happy with any of those 3.
I think Wilson is going to be better than White.

I cannot possibly over-emphasize how Ok I'd be with this.

I remember us having the # 12 pick in 2006,and everyone on the board wanting Ngata. Instead, the Browns traded down 1 spot, with the Ravens. The Ravens got Ngata, and the Browns got Kam Wimbley, in round 1 and Babatunde Oshinowo, in round 6. Ever since then .. I have hated the thought of trading down with a mid level 1st round pick .. either trade up, or do not trade at all.

I used to be a fan of trading down when I thought we could get a good value deal. I think it's sound strategy at times.

However, at this point in time, I think we have traded down enough and have plenty of assets at our disposal. I'm all for drafting BPA and perhaps moving up in either rounds 2, 3, or 4. I would not oppose moving up in say.....in two of those rounds.

Historically speaking, I think there is very good value at the top of round 2 and you can also find very good value picks at the top of round 3 and occasionally round 4.

Speaking of guys who might be drafted later, one guy who caught my eye this year was Deandre Baker from Georgia. He's not the biggest guy, but he is very physical. He is good in run support and can play both man and zone. If he slips out of the first round, I would think that he would be worthy of trading up for at the top of the second round.

I watched a lot of Georgia games this year and this cat can play. He would be great opposite of Ward. He can also cover slot receivers. I'd like to get Turk's take on him because he is a big Georgia fan.

I agree, this is a year to move up some.

I like Baker as well, though I don't think he is going to be there in round 2. If he is, whoever has the 1st pick of round 2 is going to get a lot of calls.


Maybe we move back in to the first round to get him, if we just don't take him a #17. I don't think that would be much of a reach. Maybe I should have said "a reach".


I do like moving picks forward to next year if possible. I think it smart business. To me it is like saving money..


Nobody really likes to do it....until you need it.

I was thinking about the same thing after I submitted my post. I haven't researched the draft at all, so I have no idea where he is ranked by the "experts." He's just a guy I enjoyed watching play.

Oh come on....trading down has worked out so well for us. Look no further than the Julio Jones trade. I mean, we got SO MANY great players from that one.

I think it is a Pro football focus mock that has us taking Baker at #17 .... their summary is that while he isn't the very best CB at any one specific skill set of CB - he has very high grades across all skills. I could easily see him being the pick - no idea of 17 is perceived as high for him or not.