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bonefish #1590622 02/08/19 10:53 AM
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Thanks Vers, appreciate that.

For the record I'm not in any camp and chose not to involve myself in the myriad debates outside of football if I could help it. I like reading about and discussing football, learning from others on here. If I want an argument I'll tell my sons to tidy their rooms .... laugh

I think the staff we have are pulling together. I think analytics has a role - a tool to aid decision making, like in any other line of business. It can provide that extra insight on tangible measures - for example combine and pro day stats; or performance metrics for a position to judge effectiveness in certain situations, etc.

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No offense, but it might be a good idea in the future to watch a little bit of film on a guy before surmising a website's opinion on him.

None taken...didn't make any final results on the kid. Explained why I said what I said in a post. I was hoping that it would be taken that anything said in February on the draft is not written in stone. So much more coming in time.

I think most of my OPINION is derived from the fact I don't see the position as one of IMPACT to us as a team. A lot of Gereralization also going into my post. But very logical.

If DK is of the Freak nature and has good to great hands. We can pretty much be assured that simply he will not be there at #17. So for me in searching (For fun we know our pick doesn't count, lol laugh ) for our pick of the draft.
1. Need
2. History of, man this kid is great, if correct so great that he ends up chosen in the top 10 and not available for us at 17.

Its the beginning of the draft, what I deem as a good pick or not will change as I learn more about the kid, as I learn more about what is leaked out on who actual GMs/Personnel people out there think of said player. Watching film but at this moment I will pick my time on discovery of a player only if said player will be close to being Worthy and Available for our pick.

So not only in the future but in the present before Surmising a player...really positive or negative don't surmise (Final opinion) until a week or so prior to the draft. Heck we haven't even had the combine to get any Discussion on interviews, On physical specs! Film, actually I trust the points of discussion from posters on this board. I throw out the agenda driven opinion. I throw out an opinion made without much investigation (my own). Again my opinion was made on generalizations and logic of availability more than anything.

My thinking is leaning towards being correct. But not written in stone at all.

So right now we can view my opinion (NOT FINAL) based on two things.
1. Need not high on "MY" list.
2. Logic, if the kid is a Stud and freak as described we will not have the opportunity to draft him unless we move up. I don't wish to move up in this draft Not in the first round at least.

But thanks for putting clarification cause I didn't mean to present my opinions as FINAL and I can always change my mind.

So no offense taken, I will be honest mostly no offense taken because you are a respected poster without any obvious agendas except for our team to become great.

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If he sucks at WR, we could probably play him at TE.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg


If he sucks at WR, we could probably play him at TE.


That is a large human. Is he related to David Boston?

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For me I'm looking at his Tricep muscle shown there as all is sticking out cause they just finished their lifting regimen. But looking at his Tricep muscle one thing stood out to me. Look how LONG IT IS, that is very important to me cause in lifting weight for an athlete to remain smooth in their actions. Muscles must be LONG not round of nature. So he is stretching properly after his work outs. After each rep it is so important to do some serious stretching in doing so you can make the muscle LONG and more natural than David Boston like which changed him as an NFL WR.

We will see him at the combine if he is that thick, tall and increased SPEED, in the 4.4 area and over 250 He could become a TE/WR. Now a days who cares what they are called. TE/WR lining up in the slot and outside are one in the same. The only difference would be lining up along side an OT and that would usually put a LB or possibly a SS over him.

Unfortunately I got a feeling he will be in Super Beast Mode coming into the Draft and we will not be able to even sniff him at #17. Curious Cfrs or CHS...who is the kid next to him?


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Damn.

Sometimes when I watch practice film or "Hard Knocks" type film where you are up close. And then you see these monster guys work out.

I think what if you had to block Garrett or JJ Watt. Or, cover a guy like Antonio Brown.

These guys are incredible physical specimens.

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Everyone is in second place behind Aaron Donald.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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If he sucks at WR, we could probably play him at TE.


That is a large human. Is he related to David Boston?


Lol I was going to write the same thing, I still remember how huge that guy's biceps were...insane

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He looks like an offensive version of Myles Garrett ...


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15


Everyone is in second place behind Aaron Donald.


See his tricep muscle compared to DK Donald's looks more round then DK's long...just an observation especially for a WR.



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This guy breaks down his top receivers.



Metcalf is just a beast. If he would not have gotten hurt more than likely a top five pick.

He is only 21. Someone will get be very happy when he is selected. I doubt we select him. More than likely we will go defense.


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Metcalf will create major buzz at the Combine.

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That video is the first that I have seen of Metcalf. What I like about him is how long his arms are. His catch radius is gigantic.


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Who was 6-10? Yeah DK I think we can forget about as he will become a definite 10 ten player and after his Combine I expect him to be talked about in the top 5 regardless of his injury during the season.

I don't really wish for a WR at #17 and I don't want us to move up for a WR.

I think this draft class is one of the best in a while to come out, its deep.

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To me this is a losing position if he runs a 4.4 or better and he falls to us there must be serious questions about him.
If he runs a 4.5 and falls to us I want to draft him in the second round,

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Forty time is just a marker of straight line speed and learning how to run the forty.

Metcalf has to be looked at as a receiver.

His grade will most likely be mid round because there is not a ton of tape on the guy.

In addition there are a bunch of very talented defensive players and quarterbacks that will be taken higher.

I like him a lot but seriously doubt that Dorsey will take him.

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I don't think Dorsey will take him for a few reasons, but the main one is that he'll most likely be a top 10 pick after this week.

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You make good sense but there are 16 teams drafting in front of us tthat he would be a immediate number 1 receiver if he runs a4.3

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You can get a lot of indicators in the 40 times.
Like the great LTs usually test at 4.95 or better.

LBs 4.5 or better

CBs 4.4 or better

WRs 4.4 or better

RBs 4.5 or better

OGs 5.10 or better

TE 4.6 or better.

just some bench marks for positions.

I also like to look at Vert. leap for explosion.

Of course meaningless if they can't play the game and that is on film.

But WR is probably the most important cause as rookies it is said the only route they truly know how to run is the 9, Fly, Bomb...

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Sounds very Al Davis like. lol.


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Just an observation


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Just an observation


I didn't take it as your end all be all when it comes to drafting a player. I know you know talent is more than just a 40 time.


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Originally Posted By: jacksondawg
You make good sense but there are 16 teams drafting in front of us tthat he would be a immediate number 1 receiver if he runs a4.3
At his size and leaping ability I dot think a low 4.4 or 4.5 would be a big deal


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They literally just tested his body fat.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
They literally just tested his body fat.


There is no way they tested his body fat, and there's no way he's at 1.6% Arnold couldn't juice enough into his prime to get to that cut.

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Combine Record, Damn near 83" wingspan. Wow.

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Originally Posted By: kwhip
Combine Record, Damn near 83" wingspan. Wow.


I've never been one to say that an inch matters, but Hakeem Butler set the combine record with his 83 7/8th wingspan like two hours after DK got measured.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
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Combine Record, Damn near 83" wingspan. Wow.


I've never been one to say that an inch matters, but Hakeem Butler set the combine record with his 83 7/8th wingspan like two hours after DK got measured.
If both were there and we were going WR at 17, I would take Butler over Metcalf. Vers turned me onto Butler and I like him a lot . He's going to be a problem to cover


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Similar talent and one is able to stay on the field.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Similar talent and one is able to stay on the field.


Not similar talent, but Hakeem is still a baller. He's in my top 5 receivers.

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They literally just tested his body fat.


There is no way they tested his body fat, and there's no way he's at 1.6% Arnold couldn't juice enough into his prime to get to that cut.


Don’t they have those little pods that guys sit in to test their body fat?

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I don't think so. I've honestly only heard of body fat % being released for a few prospects over the years. So I'm hazarding that if they measure it, it's done by calipers, because logistically the pods would probably take hours on end to get everyone through them, or even a small pool. And to me, body fat % days before they work out sounds way too analytical for me to believe that the NFL does it. I would also argue that it's ared herring for data points.

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At this point I would be shocked if Dorsey took a receiver at 17.

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Originally Posted By: bonefish

At this point I would be shocked if Dorsey took a receiver at 17.


True, but a guy like Butler will probably be available in the second round and perhaps the third.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
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They literally just tested his body fat.


There is no way they tested his body fat, and there's no way he's at 1.6% Arnold couldn't juice enough into his prime to get to that cut.

Absolutely no way, 1.6 isn't even healthy, he would have to be anorexic. Double it and that's probably still a little low. OBVIOUSLY not tested properly.


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