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Yup, the same audit the bone spurs showed up in.
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He also threatened to ensure that his SAT's never got out. That's because we all know what he got on his SAT's:
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So how is Cohen doing?
Did he convince people to vote for a socialist instead of Trump?
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So how is Cohen doing?
Did he convince people to vote for a socialist instead of Trump? SOS word for GOPers in the 2020 race: Socialist
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Terrible. That's what happens when you keep covering up for the criminal activity of a lying billionaire.
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So how is Cohen doing?
Did he convince people to vote for a socialist instead of Trump? SOS word for GOPers in the 2020 race: Socialist I thought Sanders and Cortez, the two leaders of the "democratic" party, were self-described socialists.
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So how is Cohen doing?
Did he convince people to vote for a socialist instead of Trump? Over 60 Trump-related documents to be requested from WH, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler says Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., is interviewed on "This Week." 'Impeachment is a long way down the road': House Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler10:54 Rep. Jerrold Nadler, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said that his committee will be issuing document requests on Monday to dozens of individuals. “Tomorrow, we will be issuing document requests to over 60 different people and individuals from the White House to the Department of Justice, Donald Trump, Jr., Allen Weisselberg, to begin the investigations to present the case to the American people about obstruction of justice, corruption and abuse of power,” Nadler said on “This Week” Sunday. ABC News has reached out to the White House for comment, but has not yet heard back. “Do you think the president obstructed justice?” asked ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos. “Yes, I do,” Nadler said. Earlier in the interview, however, Nadler said impeachment was “a long way down the road,” even after Michael Cohen’s public testimony before the House Oversight Committee on Capitol Hill Wednesday, in which President Donald Trump’s former personal attorney and fixer accused the president of being “a racist,” “a conman,” “a cheat” and alleged the president was involved in an illegal act that’s not yet been reported. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters, FILE) U.S. Representative Jerry Nadler arrives for a House Democratic party caucus meeting at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, Jan. 9, 2019. In December, Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison by a federal judge in Manhattan for various crimes including campaign finance violations, tax evasion and lying to Congress. Cohen told the committee Wednesday that he’s in “constant contact” with the Southern District of New York. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi, D-Ill., asked Cohen if he was aware of “any other wrongdoing or illegal act ... regarding Donald Trump that” hadn’t been discussed yet in the hearing. “Yes,” he said, “and again, those are part of the investigation that's currently being looked at by the Southern District of New York.” (MORE: Michael Cohen testifies he's aware of another illegal act by Trump) “What we learned from the Cohen testimony is that he directly implicated the president in -- in various crimes, both while seeking the office of president and while in the White House,” Nadler said on “This Week.” “We don’t have the facts yet. But we’re going to initiate proper investigations,” but not impeachment investigations. “The Republicans spent two years shielding the president from any proper accountability ... [T]hey threatened to impeach people in Justice Department, they threatened the -- the Mueller investigation. It’s our job to protect the rule of law. That’s our core function. And to do that we are going to initiate investigations into abuses of power, into corruption of -- into corruption and into obstruction of justice,” Nadler said. Nadler said that there can be crimes that “there can be crimes that are impeachable offenses and impeachable offenses that are not crimes.” During the hearing Wednesday, Cohen presented copies of two checks, each for $35,000, that he says were reimbursements for a $130,000 hush-money payment he made on behalf of the president to adult-film actress Stormy Daniels. Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, has alleged that she had an affair with the president many years ago and was paid for her silence shortly before the 2016 election. Trump denies the affair. One check presented was signed by Trump while he was in office, Cohen alleged. Michael Cohen, the former attorney, and fixer for President Donald Trump testifies before the House Oversight Committee on Capitol Hill, Feb. 27 2019, in Washington, D.C. C. “So let me make sure I understand Donald Trump wrote you a check out of his personal account while he was serving as president of the United States of America to reimburse you for hush money payments to Ms. Clifford?” Elijah Cummings, the committee’s chairman, asked. “Yes, Mr. Chairman,” Cohen said. (MORE: 5 key takeaways from Michael Cohen's public hearing) The other check he showed was signed by the president’s eldest son, Donald Trump, Jr., and Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg. The Trump Organization told ABC News that the president’s son had "no concept/idea" that he was signing a check to reimburse Cohen for the payment to Daniels. Donald Trump Jr. signed the $35,000 check as a trustee of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust. On “This Week,” Nadler said that an attempt “to sabotage a fair election would be an impeachable offense.” “Is that what you saw?” Stephanopoulos said, asking if the campaign finance violation “like the one outlined against President Trump” qualified. ‘Well, we’ll see,” Nadler responded. “But we’re far from making decisions on that.”
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Its real curious that all the libs here are so insistent on Trumps school record and are making up all kinds of things like threatening people not to divulge them ,but have no problem with SOERTO , OBAMA or whoever having not to reveal any of his college records seen . Wonder what he is hiding hmmmmmmm.
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At least Obama was willing to release his tax returns and prove Trump to be a liar by producing his birth certificate.
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Its real curious that all the libs here are so insistent on Trumps school record and are making up all kinds of things like threatening people not to divulge them ,but have no problem with SOERTO , OBAMA or whoever having not to reveal any of his college records seen . Wonder what he is hiding hmmmmmmm.
I could give a crap less about Trumps school records. I don't need to see them to know that he isn't brilliant, he's average or below-he shows that every day Now his tax records, that is another story
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No one cares about school records of anyone. Wasn't Dubbya a D student? I regret asking. Who cares. The interesting thing is that Trump's personal lawyer threatened every school Don attended to not release his grades. No one thought Donny's grades were a big deal except for Don. I assume it's because he hates to be embarrassed. But again, who cares about his grades? No one.
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His opponents. Fodder for their cannons, when they've run out of obvious arguments to load.
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But nothing about the actual article and the investigation into Individual One's alleged criminality? Just more weak rants about Libs and yet another misspelling- this time of 44's "Kenyan name."
Soetoro. You should probably stay away from names like that until you get a handle on English.
A normal poster would be embarrassed, but that would require a sense of pride/shame.
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His opponents. Fodder for their cannons, when they've run out of obvious arguments to load. Obvious arguments? We've been pointing out his numerous scandals since day one but the other side is tone deaf. If a dem cozied up with Putin and numerous other dictators (some that have blatantly killed Americans!) before Trump the right would have crucified them. If a dem turned their backs on our oldest allies and NATO before Trum the right would have crucified them. If a dem was a womanizer and a cheater before Trump the right would have crucified them. I could go on and on but you either get the point or you don't and refuse to see your own hypocrisy.
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His opponents. Fodder for their cannons, when they've run out of obvious arguments to load. Obvious arguments? We've been pointing out his numerous scandals since day one but the other side is tone deaf. If a dem cozied up with Putin and numerous other dictators (some that have blatantly killed Americans!) before Trump the right would have crucified them. If a dem turned their backs on our oldest allies and NATO before Trum the right would have crucified them. If a dem was a womanizer and a cheater before Trump the right would have crucified them. I could go on and on but you either get the point or you don't and refuse to see your own hypocrisy. OCD, Stuff like this The House Intelligence Committee's Democratic chairman, Adam Schiff, said his panel would look at negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, which Cohen said continued well into the 2016 presidential campaign. "That was a deal that stood to make him more money than any other deal in his life and it was a deal where he was pursuing help from the Kremlin, from (Russian President Vladimir) Putin himself, at a time when Putin was seeking relief from sanctions," Schiff told CBS' "Face the Nation." "That is the most compromising circumstance that I can imagine."
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You’re hanging on to a branch that is weak and breaking. Both sides are tone deaf. It’s the nature of the beast. Think of it this way, one side likes their chicken baked and the other side, fried. In the end, it’s just chicken both are eating. The only difference is the outer coating. There is no them, there is no us. There is only we, walking down different hallways of the same house. Howdy bro!
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You’re hanging on to a branch that is weak and breaking. Both sides are tone deaf. It’s the nature of the beast. Think of it this way, one side likes their chicken baked and the other side, fried. In the end, it’s just chicken both are eating. The only difference is the outer coating. There is no them, there is no us. There is only we, walking down different hallways of the same house. Howdy bro! So you changed subjects. We were talking about Trump and what you labeled: His opponents. Fodder for their cannons, when they've run out of obvious arguments to load. Now all of a sudden we're brothers from different mothers... I never said the left can't get along with and compromise with the right to keep 'our house' together. I never said we are not both Americans. What I said was that there is more than enough arguments for dispising Trump. And the other hallway you speak of right now, the hallway you are walking down, your fried chicken... Well it has a divisive nationalist in charge who has acted like a traitor, a thug, a fraud, a conman, a racist, and a fascist. You chose that hall.
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You just can’t let go of the hate. I tried... A false equivalency - no one is as bad as Trump. No-one - and your "they are all as bad as each other" just enables Trump to do worse, be worse and continue being a POS while occupying the WH.
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Soetoro was his Indonesian name get YOUR facts straight before you insult but, by the way why aren't you curious about his SEALED college records? I am.
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Look as I stated before I was not enamored with Trump or Obama and maybe he should release his tax returns IDK, if its the law but, giving O a pass at his court order to conceal his college records is obvious to me its very odd, dont you think? It was just a whattaboutism to the libs that are making a thing about Trumps school records .
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Look as I stated before I was not enamored with Trump or Obama and maybe he should release his tax returns IDK, if its the law but, giving O a pass at his court order to conceal his college records is obvious to me its very odd, dont you think? It was just a whattaboutism to the libs that are making a thing about Trumps school records .
If you are truly comparing apples to apples in a discussion and not switching the subject to distract or downplay the issue; then you are not using a whataboutism, you are stating your side. 
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Q: Are Obama’s early records “sealed”? A: No. Many records that presidential candidates don’t ordinarily release do remain confidential, but they are not “sealed” by a court. The 16 claims in a widely distributed graphic are mostly false or distorted. FULL ANSWER This is an example of mostly old baloney in a new casing. It mainly recycles years-old falsehoods and insinuations, most of which we covered long ago, in connection with an earlier viral email. But with President Barack Obama’s reelection campaign heating up, this new graphic has appeared on countless anti-Obama websites and in viral emails like the one we’ve reprinted here. Very little that it contains is new, and the old falsehoods have not improved with age. Nothing ‘Sealed’ The idea that any Obama record is “sealed” is a falsehood, to start. The word “sealed” when applied to documents ordinarily refers to records that would normally be public, but that a judge has ruled cannot be released without the court’s permission. Common examples of truly “sealed” documents include records of crimes committed as a juvenile or records of adoptions. None of the claims in this message refers to records actually “sealed” in that usual sense. In some cases, the records this screed claims are “sealed” are actually public, and open for anyone to see. Other supposedly “sealed” records are normally private documents that Obama hasn’t released — and that other presidential candidates haven’t released either. So as with earlier versions, this is little more than an attempt to raise suspicions by asking for records that aren’t ordinarily made public, without any evidence that those records contain anything derogatory. We’ll take the claims and questions in the order they appear. Claims #1, 2 and 4, college records. Obama’s college records are not “sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post. Claim #3, thesis paper. Obama did write a paper on nuclear disarmament for an honors course in American foreign policy during his senior year, but it wasn’t the sort of “thesis” that some colleges require for graduation and keep on file in their libraries, like those that Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama released. During the 2008 campaign, reporters were told that Columbia had not retained a copy of Obama’s 1983 paper, and that Obama didn’t have a copy, either. NBC News contacted his former professor, Michael Baron, who said he looked for his copy but couldn’t find it, and thought he probably tossed it out eight years earlier in a move. NBC quoted Baron as saying the paper likely would have disappointed Obama’s critics. “The course was not a polemical course, it was a course in decision making and how decisions got made,” Baron told NBC. “None of the papers in the class were controversial.” Claim #5, Selective Service registration. Obama’s Selective Service registration is public. A copy has been posted publicly, and the Selective Service confirmed that Obama registered for the draft on Sept. 4, 1980, and was given registration number 61-1125539-1. Worth noting is that nobody in the U.S. has been drafted for military service since 1972, the year Obama turned 11. Obama, like other young men turning age 18 since then, was required to register on a standby basis, in case Congress ever resumes an active military draft. Failure to register is technically a crime, and disqualifies a man for federal student aid or from holding certain federal jobs. Claim #6, medical records. During the 2008 campaign, Obama released summary medical information from his personal physician, who pronounced him to be in “excellent health” with routine test results for such things as cholesterol all within normal levels. (McCain, who is a cancer survivor and was 71 at the time, let reporters see his records for three hours to show he was cancer-free.) Since taking office, Obama has followed the practice of earlier presidents. He released results of his first “periodic” physical exam on Feb. 28, 2010. Results of his second “periodic” exam were released Oct. 31, 2011. His physician described him as being “in excellent health and ‘fit for duty.'” Claims #7 and 8, Illinois state Senate records. Obama’s voting record in the Illinois state Senate is a matter of public record, and about as far from being “sealed” as one can imagine. Reporters extensively went over his votes in 2008. Transcripts of Senate debates in which Obama took part while in office (1997 – 2004) can even be found online, at the website of the Illinois General Assembly. Obama’s personal appointment calendar as a state senator may still be private — if it still exists — but we’ve seen nothing to suggest that would add much to what is already public. As president, Obama has released records of visitors to the White House (2.4 million so far). There are some exceptions. Personal information about visitors, such as Social Security numbers are not released. And there’s an exemption for “particularly sensitive” information, which might include a visit by a potential Supreme Court nominee, for example. But that’s still more disclosure than any previous president has made, by far. Claim #9, law firm clients. It’s true that Obama has not released a list of the 30 or so clients for whom he worked personally while he was a lawyer with the firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard in Illinois. He did routinely disclose the law firm’s entire client list while he was in the state Senate, however. And his campaign confirmed in 2008 several specific clients that Obama represented personally, when reporters asked about them. For example, he once represented the liberal group ACORN in a 1995 lawsuit against the state of Illinois, to make voter registration easier. Claims #10 and 11, birth certificates. The claim that Obama’s birth certificate is “sealed” is pure nonsense. Copies of both the so-called “short” and “long” certificates have been released, and state officials in Hawaii have said repeatedly that Obama was born there in 1961 and is a “natural born American citizen.” Claim #12, baptism record. If a paper record exists (and we’ve seen no evidence that it does), it would most likely show only what numerous, undisputed news accounts have stated: Obama was baptized in 1988 in Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Obama was often seen in attendance at Wright’s church in the 20 years that followed. He was married there, and his two daughters were baptized there. He remained a member even after some of Wright’s controversial sermons were given national attention in early 2008. When Obama reluctantly severed ties with Wright after weeks of controversy, it was a major news event. Obama and his family now attend St. John’s Episcopal Church, near the White House, though not on a regular basis. Claim #13: Michelle Obama’s law license. It’s simply not true that the first lady “can no longer practice law as an attorney.” She could resume the practice of law any time she chooses. Both the president and his wife have voluntarily inactivated their Illinois law licenses, thereby avoiding a requirement to take continuing education classes and pay hundreds of dollars in annual fees, which is common for lawyers no longer actively practicing. Claim #14, first ladies’ assistants. It’s true that the first lady has more than 20 on her staff, but that’s roughly the same as other recent first ladies. The claim that “other first ladies had only one” might conceivably be true of Martha Washington or Dolley Madison, but it’s certainly not true of Laura Bush or Hillary Clinton. Bush had at least 18 that we could count, and probably more with job titles that didn’t make the link clear. The White House has said Michelle Obama’s staff is the same size as Laura Bush’s was. Claim #15, foreign student aid. The claim that Obama got “foreign student aid” is untrue. That wild falsehood began as an absurd April Fools’ Day hoax in 2009, which we quickly exposed. Claim #16, Obama’s passport. There’s no reason to think Obama used anything but the then-current version of his U.S. passport when he traveled to Pakistan as a student in 1981. Some who questioned Obama’s birthplace made baseless claims that Pakistan had banned U.S. citizens from visiting in 1981, and speculated that he must have used an Indonesian passport. But they were quite wrong. There was no such travel ban. In fact, the New York Times published a travel piece that year describing the author’s own visit to Lahore, and the U.S. consul later wrote a letter to the Times saying he would “welcome an influx of Americans” and giving advice on how to make the journey. Other Claims Besides the numbered claims, the graphic also states that Obama has been endorsed by the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). It’s true that the Communist Party USA supports Obama. It claims to have about 2,000 members. Obama didn’t seek the CPUSA endorsement, nor has he endorsed that group. The graphic also attributes three quotes to Obama, all of which are commonly offered on conservative websites. All the quotes are accurate. Here’s the background: Obama appeared at the Service Employees International Union Sept. 17, 2007, to seek the union’s endorsement for the Democratic nomination, and he said, “your agenda has been my agenda in the United States Senate.” (The words appear at about 3 minutes and 15 seconds into this video.) And the SEIU eventually endorsed Obama, but not until February 2008, helping him wrap up the nomination battle against Hillary Clinton. The union has endorsed him again for reelection. At the 2008 National Council of La Raza annual meeting in San Diego, Calif., on July 13, 2008, Obama concluded his remarks by saying, “And together, we won’t just win an election – we will transform this nation. Thank you, and God bless you.” And speaking to the editorial board of the San Francisco Chronicle on Jan. 17, 2008, Obama said electricity costs would “necessarily skyrocket” as a result of capping carbon emissions. However, the cap-and-trade legislation he endorsed provided allowances intended to protect consumers from higher bills. In summary, there are bits here that are true. But most is wrong or misleading, and overall the graphic falls far short of getting our seal of approval for accuracy. Call it “unsealed.” https://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/
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You know, this seems like a fairly one sided way of looking at things. Trump is the same guy who spent eight years attacking the previous president by lying about his birth and religion in order to undermine his predecessors legitimacy as president. He never refuses to attack anyone and everyone who even questions him on his policies or decisions. He never ceases to tell people how smart he is, how he only hires the "best people", and even how big his brain is, how smart his words are and how rich he is. Now I don't care about his school records. It's pretty easy to see they weren't that good. His vocabulary doesn't even reach sixth grade level. But when a president goes around attacking his opponents, even people within his own party, don't pretend he isn't asking for the treatment he gets. When you spread hate, you get hate. He's asked for everything he's getting.
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It was his 'Kenyan family name' while he was at the "Indonesian madrassa" (actually a Catholic school).
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According to Trump and his supporters it HAD TO Be a Muslim school ,right?
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Its real curious that all the libs here are so insistent on Trumps school record and are making up all kinds of things like threatening people not to divulge them ,but have no problem with SOERTO , OBAMA or whoever having not to reveal any of his college records seen . Wonder what he is hiding hmmmmmmm.
. Yeah let’s compare a student who went to Harvard and became the president of the Harvard Law Review to a student who went to the Wharton school of PA who narrowly escaped being drafted into the military by daddy war bucks and a fake bone spur. Your turn.
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Conservative author retracts article about slain DNC staffer https://news.yahoo.com/conservative-auth...--politics.htmlWhat’s sad is hat most of the conservatives on this board was pushing this story hard. My oh my.
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Funny that the talking point is that the Mueller investigation is a hoax - yet no mention of the sentencing of Manafort - Trump's campaign chair ... and he's still under investigation from what I can gather and he has another sentencing to go through.... Hopefully the next sentencing will more adequately relate to the crimes he committed than the 47 months he got handed yesterday.
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yea, manny got 4 years for THIS trial, and still has to go through sentencing for the things that deal with foreign lobbying and such.
i think trump is gonna pardon manny.
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But isn't one of Manafort's cases outside of the pardoning powers of Trump? That was what I thought. Hope so - the guy is a total dirt ball, right up there with Trump.
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Hard to believe Manafort only got 47 months for all his felony convictions! I guess it pays to be a White Collar Traitorous Criminal in Trump's America. A poor guy with any one of those would be doing 10 years.
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Hard to believe Manafort only got 47 months for all his felony convictions! I guess it pays to be a White Collar Traitorous Criminal in Trump's America. A poor guy with any one of those would be doing 10 years. The US judicial system doesn't take white collar crime seriously. Brandish a weapon while robbing someone of their $100? 15 years. Steal 30 million dollars? 5 years. The US has a poor understanding of the slow violence of capitalism.
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Hard to believe Manafort only got 47 months for all his felony convictions! I guess it pays to be a White Collar Traitorous Criminal in Trump's America. A poor guy with any one of those would be doing 10 years. For 2 years you cried that Trump COLLUDED with the Russians to get elected. No Collusion. For 2 years you cried that Manny was the son of the devil and would get life in prison. 47 months. And now you and your minions quote Cohen, the convicted perjurer, who is soon to be charged with further perjury before Congress, as your hero.  At least you have been CONSISTENTLY wrong.  Coming soon...Mueller's report.
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