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The Making of the Fox News White House

Fox News has always been partisan. But has it become propaganda?

By Jane Mayer
A Reporter at Large
March 11, 2019 Issue

In January, during the longest government shutdown in America’s history, President Donald Trump rode in a motorcade through Hidalgo County, Texas, eventually stopping on a grassy bluff overlooking the Rio Grande. The White House wanted to dramatize what Trump was portraying as a national emergency: the need to build a wall along the Mexican border. The presence of armored vehicles, bales of confiscated marijuana, and federal agents in flak jackets underscored the message.

But the photo op dramatized something else about the Administration. After members of the press pool got out of vans and headed over to where the President was about to speak, they noticed that Sean Hannity, the Fox News host, was already on location. Unlike them, he hadn’t been confined by the Secret Service, and was mingling with Administration officials, at one point hugging Kirstjen Nielsen, the Secretary of Homeland Security. The pool report noted that Hannity was seen “huddling” with the White House communications director, Bill Shine. After the photo op, Hannity had an exclusive on-air interview with Trump. Politico later reported that it was Hannity’s seventh interview with the President, and Fox’s forty-second. Since then, Trump has given Fox two more. He has granted only ten to the three other main television networks combined, and none to CNN, which he denounces as “fake news.”

Hannity was treated in Texas like a member of the Administration because he virtually is one. The same can be said of Fox’s chairman, Rupert Murdoch. Fox has long been a bane of liberals, but in the past two years many people who watch the network closely, including some Fox alumni, say that it has evolved into something that hasn’t existed before in the United States. Nicole Hemmer, an assistant professor of Presidential studies at the University of Virginia’s Miller Center and the author of “Messengers of the Right,” a history of the conservative media’s impact on American politics, says of Fox, “It’s the closest we’ve come to having state TV.”

Hemmer argues that Fox—which, as the most watched cable news network, generates about $2.7 billion a year for its parent company, 21st Century Fox—acts as a force multiplier for Trump, solidifying his hold over the Republican Party and intensifying his support. “Fox is not just taking the temperature of the base—it’s raising the temperature,” she says. “It’s a radicalization model.” For both Trump and Fox, “fear is a business strategy—it keeps people watching.” As the President has been beset by scandals, congressional hearings, and even talk of impeachment, Fox has been both his shield and his sword. The White House and Fox interact so seamlessly that it can be hard to determine, during a particular news cycle, which one is following the other’s lead. All day long, Trump retweets claims made on the network; his press secretary, Sarah Sanders, has largely stopped holding press conferences, but she has made some thirty appearances on such shows as “Fox & Friends” and “Hannity.” Trump, Hemmer says, has “almost become a programmer.”

Fox’s defenders view such criticism as unfounded and politically biased. Ken LaCorte, who was in senior management at Fox News for nearly twenty years, until 2016, and recently started his own news service, told me, “The people at Fox said the same thing about the press and Obama.” Fox’s public-relations department offers numerous examples of its reporters and talk-show hosts challenging the Administration. Chris Wallace, a tough-minded and ecumenical interviewer, recently grilled Stephen Miller, a senior Trump adviser, on the need for a border wall, given that virtually all drugs seized at the border are discovered at checkpoints. Trump is not the first President to have a favorite media organization; James Madison and Andrew Jackson were each boosted by partisan newspapers. But many people who have watched and worked with Fox over the years, including some leading conservatives, regard Fox’s deepening Trump orthodoxy with alarm. Bill Kristol, who was a paid contributor to Fox News until 2012 and is a prominent Never Trumper, said of the network, “It’s changed a lot. Before, it was conservative, but it wasn’t crazy. Now it’s just propaganda.” Joe Peyronnin, a professor of journalism at N.Y.U., was an early president of Fox News, in the mid-nineties. “I’ve never seen anything like it before,” he says of Fox. “It’s as if the President had his own press organization. It’s not healthy.”

Nothing has formalized the partnership between Fox and Trump more than the appointment, in July, 2018, of Bill Shine, the former co-president of Fox News, as director of communications and deputy chief of staff at the White House. Kristol says of Shine, “When I first met him, he was producing Hannity’s show at Fox, and the two were incredibly close.” Both come from white working-class families on Long Island, and they are godfathers to each other’s children, who refer to them as “Uncle Bill” and “Uncle Sean.” Another former colleague says, “They spend their vacations together.” A third recalls, “I was rarely in Shine’s office when Sean didn’t call. And I was in Shine’s office a lot. They talked all the time—many times a day.”

Shine led Fox News’ programming division for a dozen years, overseeing the morning and evening opinion shows, which collectively get the biggest ratings and define the network’s conservative brand. Straight news was not within his purview. In July, 2016, Roger Ailes, the co-founder and C.E.O. of Fox, was fired in the face of numerous allegations of chronic sexual harassment, and Shine became co-president. But within a year he, too, had been forced out, amid a second wave of sexual-harassment allegations, some of them against Fox’s biggest star at the time, Bill O’Reilly. Shine wasn’t personally accused of sexual harassment, but several lawsuits named him as complicit in a workplace culture of coverups, payoffs, and victim intimidation.

Shine, who has denied any wrongdoing, has kept a low profile at the White House, and rejects interview requests, including one from this magazine. But Kristol contends that Shine’s White House appointment is a scandal. “It’s been wildly under-covered,” he said. “It’s astounding that Shine—the guy who covered up Ailes’s horrible behavior—is the deputy chief of staff!”

The Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin, another conservative Never Trumper, used to appear on the network, but wouldn’t do so now. “Fox was begun as a good-faith effort to counter bias, but it’s morphed into something that is not even news,” she says. “It’s simply a mouthpiece for the President, repeating what the President says, no matter how false or contradictory.” The feedback loop is so strong, she notes, that Trump “will even pick up an error made by Fox,” as when he promoted on Twitter a bogus Fox story claiming that South Africa was “seizing land from white farmers.” Rubin told me, “It’s funny that Bill Shine went over to the White House. He could have stayed in his old job. The only difference is payroll.”

With Shine, the Fox and White House payrolls actually do overlap. The Hollywood Reporter obtained financial-disclosure forms revealing that Fox has been paying Shine millions of dollars since he joined the Administration. Last year, he collected the first half of a seven-million-dollar bonus that he was owed after resigning from Fox; this year, he will collect the remainder. That sum is in addition to an $8.4-million severance payment that he received upon leaving the network. In December, four Democratic senators sent a letter to the White House counsel’s office, demanding proof that Fox’s payments to Shine don’t violate federal ethics and conflict-of-interest statutes.

Shine is only the most recent Fox News alumnus to join the Trump Administration. Among others, Trump appointed the former Fox contributor Ben Carson to be his Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, the former Fox commentator John Bolton to be his national-security adviser, and the former Fox commentator K. T. McFarland to be his deputy national-security adviser. (McFarland resigned after four months.) Trump recently picked the former Fox News anchor Heather Nauert to be the Ambassador to the United Nations, but she soon withdrew herself from consideration, reportedly because her nanny, an immigrant, lacked a work permit. The White House door swings both ways: Hope Hicks, Shine’s predecessor in the communications job, is now the top public-relations officer at 21st Century Fox. Several others who have left the Trump White House, including Sebastian Gorka, a former adviser on national security, regularly appear on Fox. Gorka recently insisted, on Fox Business, that one of Trump’s biggest setbacks—retreating from the shutdown without securing border-wall funds—was actually a “masterstroke.”

Other former Fox News celebrities have practically become part of the Trump family. Kimberly Guilfoyle, a former co-host of “The Five,” left Fox in July; she is now working on Trump’s reëlection campaign and dating Donald Trump, Jr. (Guilfoyle left the network mid-contract, after a former Fox employee threatened to sue the network for harassment and accused Guilfoyle of sharing lewd images, among other misconduct; Fox and the former employee reached a multimillion-dollar settlement. A lawyer who represents Guilfoyle said that “any suggestion” that she “engaged in misconduct at Fox is patently false.”) Pete Hegseth and Lou Dobbs, hosts on Fox Business, have each been patched into Oval Office meetings, by speakerphone, to offer policy advice. Sean Hannity has told colleagues that he speaks to the President virtually every night, after his show ends, at 10 p.m. According to the Washington Post, White House advisers have taken to calling Hannity the Shadow Chief of Staff. A Republican political expert who has a paid contract with Fox News told me that Hannity has essentially become a “West Wing adviser,” attributing this development, in part, to the “utter breakdown of any normal decision-making in the White House.” The expert added, “The place has gone off the rails. There is no ordinary policy-development system.” As a result, he said, Fox’s on-air personalities “are filling the vacuum.”

Axios recently reported that sixty per cent of Trump’s day is spent in unstructured “executive time,” much of it filled by television. Charlie Black, a longtime Republican lobbyist in Washington, whose former firm, Black, Manafort & Stone, advised Trump in the eighties and nineties, told me, “Trump gets up and watches ‘Fox & Friends’ and thinks these are his friends. He thinks anything on Fox is friendly. But the problem is he gets unvetted ideas.” Trump has told confidants that he has ranked the loyalty of many reporters, on a scale of 1 to 10. Bret Baier, Fox News’ chief political anchor, is a 6; Hannity a solid 10. Steve Doocy, the co-host of “Fox & Friends,” is so adoring that Trump gives him a 12.

It is hardly unprecedented for American media barons to go beyond their pages to try to influence the course of politics. At the 1960 Democratic National Convention, Philip Graham, the co-owner of the Washington Post, helped broker a deal in which John F. Kennedy selected Lyndon Johnson as his running mate. But now a direct pipeline has been established between the Oval Office and the office of Rupert Murdoch, the Australian-born billionaire who founded News Corp and 21st Century Fox. Multiple sources told me that Murdoch and Trump often talk on the phone. A former aide to Trump, who has been in the Oval Office when Murdoch has called, says, “It’s two men who’ve known each other for a very long time having frank conversations. The President certainly doesn’t kowtow to Murdoch, but Murdoch also doesn’t to him. He speaks to him the same way he would have five years ago.” According to Michael Wolff’s 2018 book, “Fire and Fury,” Murdoch derided Trump as “a [censored] idiot” after a conversation about immigration. The aide says Trump knows that Murdoch has denigrated him behind his back, but “it doesn’t seem to matter” that much. Several sources confirmed to me that Murdoch regales friends with Trump’s latest inanities. But Murdoch, arguably the most powerful media mogul in the world, is an invaluable ally to any politician. Having Murdoch’s—and Fox’s—support is essential for Trump, the aide says: “It’s very important for the base.”

Murdoch may be even closer to Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Well-informed sources say that Kushner, an increasingly valued White House adviser, has worked hard to win over Murdoch, showing him respect and asking him for advice. Kushner has regularly assured Murdoch that the White House is a smooth-running operation, despite many reports suggesting that it is chaotic. Kushner now has an almost filial status with Murdoch, who turns eighty-eight this month, and numerous sources told me that they communicate frequently. “Like, every day,” one said.

Murdoch has cultivated heads of state in Australia and Great Britain, and someone close to him says that “he’s always wanted to have a relationship with a President—he’s a businessman and he sees benefits of having a chief of state doing your bidding.” Murdoch has met every American President since Kennedy, but, the close associate says, “until now a relationship has eluded him.” Still, Murdoch’s coziness with Trump may come at a cost. Roger Ailes, during his final days at Fox, apparently warned Murdoch of the perils. According to Gabriel Sherman, a biographer of Ailes who has written about Fox for New York and Vanity Fair, Ailes told Murdoch, “Trump gets great ratings, but if you’re not careful he’s going to end up totally controlling Fox News.”

Trump became famous, in no small part, because of Rupert Murdoch. After Murdoch bought the New York Post, in 1976, he was introduced to Trump through a mutual acquaintance, Roy Cohn, the infamous legal fixer, who, as a young man, was Senator Joseph McCarthy’s chief counsel. Cohn saw the potential for tabloid synergy: Trump could attain celebrity in the pages of the Post as a playboy mogul, and Murdoch could sell papers by chronicling Trump’s exploits.

In private, Murdoch regarded Trump with disdain, seeing him as a real-estate huckster and a shady casino operator. But, for all their differences, the two men had key traits in common. They both inherited and expanded family enterprises—an Australian newspaper; an outer-borough New York City real-estate firm—but felt looked down upon by people who were richer and closer to the centers of power. As Edward Luce, of the Financial Times, has noted, both men have tapped into anti-élitist resentment to connect with the public and to increase their fortunes. Trump and Murdoch also share a transactional approach to politics, devoid of almost any ideology besides self-interest.

Murdoch could not have foreseen that Trump would become President, but he was a visionary about the niche audience that became Trump’s base. In 1994, Murdoch laid out an audacious plan to Reed Hundt, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission under President Bill Clinton. Murdoch, who had been a U.S. citizen for less than a decade, invited Hundt to his Benedict Canyon estate for dinner. After the meal, Murdoch led him outside to take in the glittering view of the Los Angeles Basin, and confided that he planned to launch a radical new television network. Unlike the three established networks, which vied for the same centrist viewers, his creation would follow the unapologetically lowbrow model of the tabloids that he published in Australia and England, and appeal to a narrow audience that would be entirely his. His core viewers, he said, would be football fans; with this aim in mind, he had just bought the rights to broadcast N.F.L. games. Hundt told me, “What he was really saying was that he was going after a working-class audience. He was going to carve out a base—what would become the Trump base.”

Hundt recalled the conversation as “overwhelming.” He said, “I was at this house more expensive than any I could ever imagine. This person’s made a huge mark in two other countries, and he had entered our country and was saying, ‘I’m going to break up the three-party oligopoly that has governed the most important medium of communication for politics and policy in this country since the Second World War.’ It was like a scene from ‘Faust.’ What came to mind was Mephistopheles.”

Blair Levin, at that time the chief of staff at the F.C.C. and now a fellow at the Brookings Institution, says, “Fox’s great insight wasn’t necessarily that there was a great desire for a conservative point of view.” More erudite conservatives, he says, such as William F. Buckley, Jr., and Bill Kristol, couldn’t have succeeded as Fox has. Levin observes, “The genius was seeing that there’s an attraction to fear-based, anger-based politics that has to do with class and race.”

In 1996, Murdoch hired Roger Ailes to create a conservative TV news outlet. Ailes, who died in 2017, was a master of attack politics and wedge issues, having been a media consultant on several of America’s dirtiest and most divisive campaigns, including those of Richard Nixon. Ailes invented programming, Levin argues, “that confirmed all your worst instincts—Fox News’ fundamental business model is driving fear.” The formula worked spectacularly well. By 2002, Fox had displaced CNN as the highest-rated cable news network, and it has remained on top ever since.

In 2011, at Ailes’s invitation, Trump began making weekly guest appearances on the morning show “Fox & Friends.” In a trial run of his campaign tactics, he used the channel as a platform to exploit racist suspicions about President Barack Obama, spreading doubt about whether he was born in America. (In one segment, Trump suggested that Obama’s “family doesn’t even know what hospital he was born in!”) As Hundt sees it, “Murdoch didn’t invent Trump, but he invented the audience. Murdoch was going to make a Trump exist. Then Trump comes along, sees all these people, and says, ‘I’ll be the ringmaster in your circus!’ ”

Trump’s arrival marked an important shift in tone at Fox. Until then, the network had largely mocked birtherism as a conspiracy theory. O’Reilly called its promoters “unhinged,” and Glenn Beck, who at the time also hosted a Fox show, called them “idiots.” But Trump gave birtherism national exposure, and, in a sign of things to come, Hannity fanned the flames. Hannity began saying that, although he thought that Obama had been born in the United States, the circumstances surrounding his birth certificate were “odd.”

Fox’s hostility toward the Obama Administration grew increasingly extreme. Its coverage of the Benghazi debacle—a tragic embassy ambush not unlike others that had claimed American lives in previous Administrations—devolved into a relentless attack on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. In certain instances, however, Fox executives enforced journalistic limits. The network cancelled Beck’s show, in 2011, because his paranoid rants had become too embarrassing. (Among other things, Beck accused the White House science adviser of having proposed stemming population growth through forced abortions and “sterilants” in the water.) At the height of the Tea Party rebellion, Ailes reprimanded Hannity for violating the line between journalism and politics. Hannity had arranged to tape his evening Fox show at a Tea Party fund-raiser in Ohio. When Ailes learned of the plan, only hours before the event, he demanded that Hannity cancel his appearance. According to a former Fox executive, Ailes then blew up at Bill Shine, who had authorized Hannity’s trip. “Roger was livid, and ripped the [censored] out of Shine,” the former executive says, recalling that Ailes yelled, “No one at Fox is shilling for the Tea Party!” Afterward, Shine released a statement criticizing Hannity’s actions. And Murdoch, at a panel about the news, expressed a similar view, saying, “I don’t think we should be supporting the Tea Party or any other party.”

Such niceties no longer apply. In November, Hannity joined Trump onstage at a climactic rally for the midterm elections. Afterward, Fox issued a limp statement saying that it didn’t “condone any talent participating in campaign events” and that the “unfortunate distraction” had “been addressed.” Many Fox News reporters were angry, and provided critical anonymous quotes to the media, but Hannity didn’t apologize, saying that he had been “surprised yet honored” when Trump called him up onstage. This response was dubious: before the rally, Trump’s campaign had advertised Hannity as a “special guest.” When Hannity joined Trump, he not only praised him for “promises kept”; he also echoed the President’s attacks on the press, castigating the rest of the media covering the rally as “fake news.” The evening ended with a high five between Hannity and Shine, who had recently started working at the White House.

For Greta Van Susteren, a host on Fox between 2002 and 2016, Hannity’s rally appearance illustrates the difference at Fox since Ailes’s departure. For all of Ailes’s faults, Van Susteren argues, he exerted a modicum of restraint. She believes that he would have insisted on at least some distance from President Trump, if only to preserve the appearance of journalistic respectability embodied in the motto Ailes devised for Fox: “Fair and Balanced.” (That motto was retired in 2017.) Van Susteren says, “ ‘Hannity’ is an opinion show, but when he went onstage with Trump he became part of the campaign. That was an egregious mistake. It was way over the line.”

Although Ailes paid occasional lip service to journalistic integrity, Fox News was hardly fair and balanced under his leadership. Gabriel Sherman, in his biography, “The Loudest Voice in the Room,” reports that Ailes was so obsessed with bringing down Obama in 2012 that he declared to colleagues, “I want to elect the next President.”

Yet, during the 2016 campaign, Fox executives were initially uneasy about Trump’s candidacy. Murdoch tweeted that Trump was “embarrassing his friends” and “the whole country.” An editorial in the Wall Street Journal, Murdoch’s flagship newspaper, called Trump’s candidacy a “catastrophe.” Murdoch, an immigrant himself, bridled at Trump’s xenophobia. In 2015, when Trump claimed that most immigrants coming from Mexico were criminals and rapists, Murdoch corrected him on Twitter, noting that “Mexican immigrants, as with all immigrants, have much lower crime rates than native born.” He also tweeted that El Paso was “the safest city” in America.

Murdoch’s views could scarcely be more at odds with Fox’s current diatribes about hordes of “illegal aliens” who are “invading” the U.S. and killing innocent Americans, leaving behind grieving “Angel Moms” and “Angel Dads.” Van Susteren told me that she wasn’t surprised by this rhetorical turn. “Don’t kid yourself about his support for immigration,” she said of Murdoch. “Rupert is first about the bottom line. They’re all going out to play to their crowd, whether it’s Fox or MSNBC.” (After leaving Fox, Van Susteren was for a short time a host on MSNBC.) Fox’s mile-by-mile coverage of the so-called “migrant caravan” was an enormous hit: ratings in October, 2018, exceeded those of October, 2016—the height of the Presidential campaign.

Fox’s embrace of Trumpism took some time. Sherman has reported that, when the network hosted the first Republican Presidential debate, in August, 2015, in Cleveland, Murdoch advised Ailes to make sure that the moderators hit Trump hard. This put Ailes in an awkward position. Trump drew tremendous ratings and had fervent supporters, and Ailes was afraid of losing that audience to rival media outlets. Breitbart, the alt-right Web site led by Stephen K. Bannon, was generating huge traffic by championing Trump. What’s more, Ailes and Trump were friendly. “They spoke all the time,” a former Fox executive says. They had lunch shortly before Trump announced his candidacy, and Ailes gave Trump political tips during the primaries. Ken LaCorte contends that Ailes took note of “Trump’s crazy behavior”; but Trump’s growing political strength was also obvious. According to the former Fox executive, Trump made Ailes “nervous”: “He thought Trump was a wild card. Someone Ailes could not bully or intimidate.”

Anthony Scaramucci, a former Fox Business host who was fleetingly President Trump’s communications director, told me in 2016 that the network’s executives “made a business decision” to give on-air stars “slack” to choose their candidates. Hannity was an early Trump supporter; O’Reilly was neutral; Megyn Kelly remained skeptical. Trump had hung up on Kelly after she ran a segment about his 1992 divorce from Ivana Trump, which noted that Ivana had signed an affidavit claiming that Trump had raped her. (Ivana later insisted that she hadn’t meant rape in the “criminal” sense.)

Against this strained backdrop, at the debate in Cleveland, Kelly asked Trump a famously tough question. “You’ve called women you don’t like ‘fat pigs,’ ‘dogs,’ ‘slobs,’ and ‘disgusting animals,’ ” she said. Trump interrupted her with a snide quip: “Only Rosie O’Donnell!” The hall burst into laughter and applause.

Kelly kept pressing Trump: “You once told a contestant on ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect President?” But he’d already won over Republican viewers. (Fox received a flood of e-mails, almost all of them anti-Kelly.) The showdown helped shape Trump’s image as shamelessly unsinkable. It also kicked off a feud between Trump and Fox, in which Trump briefly boycotted the channel, hurting its ratings and forcing Ailes to grovel. Four days after the debate, Trump tweeted that Ailes had “just called” and “assures me that ‘Trump’ will be treated fairly.”

Trump has made the debate a point of pride. He recently boasted to the Times that he’d won it despite being a novice, and despite the “crazy Megyn Kelly question.” Fox, however, may have given Trump a little help. A pair of Fox insiders and a source close to Trump believe that Ailes informed the Trump campaign about Kelly’s question. Two of those sources say that they know of the tipoff from a purported eyewitness. In addition, a former Trump campaign aide says that a Fox contact gave him advance notice of a different debate question, which asked the candidates whether they would support the Republican nominee, regardless of who won. The former aide says that the heads-up was passed on to Trump, who was the only candidate who said that he wouldn’t automatically support the Party’s nominee—a position that burnished his image as an outsider.

These claims are hard to evaluate: Ailes is dead, and they conflict with substantial reporting suggesting that the rift between Trump and Fox was bitter. A former campaign aide is adamant that Trump was genuinely surprised and infuriated by Kelly’s question. A Fox spokesperson strongly denied the allegations, and declined requests for interviews with employees involved in the debate.

Kelly also declined to comment, but she broached the subject in her 2016 memoir, “Settle for More.” She wrote that the day before the debate Trump called Fox executives to complain, saying he’d heard that Kelly planned to ask “a very pointed question directed at him.” She noted, “Folks were starting to worry about Trump—his level of agitation did not match the circumstances.” When this passage stirred controversy, Kelly tweeted that her book “does not suggest Trump had any debate Qs in advance, nor do I believe that he did.” Yet her account does suggest that Trump had enough forewarning to be upset, and that he contacted Fox before the debate.

Later in the campaign, WikiLeaks posted stolen e-mails from Donna Brazile, then the interim chair of the Democratic National Committee and a CNN contributor. Without CNN’s knowledge, she had alerted Hillary Clinton’s campaign about questions that the network planned to ask during a televised event. CNN fired Brazile, and Trump has cited the incident as evidence that CNN is “a total fake.” Last April, in an interview on “Fox & Friends,” he said, “Can you imagine, by the way, if you gave me the questions to a debate? They would have you out of business.”

In the summer of 2016, two weeks before Trump secured the Republican nomination, Gretchen Carlson, the former co-host of “Fox & Friends,” sued Ailes for sexual harassment. Her suit alleged that he had propositioned her during a meeting, and that he’d spoken of having the power to “make anything happen” if she “understood” him, and that they “should have had a sexual relationship a long time ago.” Within weeks, Fox had forced Ailes out, giving him a forty-million-dollar severance package. The network apologized to Carlson, and paid her a twenty-million-dollar settlement.

Murdoch was slow to see the gravity of the sexual-harassment issue, but his two sons—James, the C.E.O. of 21st Century Fox, and Lachlan, its executive chairman—were more responsive. At a board meeting held after the news of Carlson’s suit broke, James, the more politically independent of the two, pushed for an outside legal investigation. His demand forced the company to take action, since the notes of the meeting created a public paper trail. Fox’s outside law firm, Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison, began an inquiry, and exposed an appalling culture of sexual harassment, intimidation, payoffs, and coverups at Fox.

Ailes, meanwhile, joined Trump’s debate team, further erasing the line between Fox and conservative politicians. Ailes also began developing a plan to go into business with Trump. The Sunday before the election, Ailes called Steve Bannon, Trump’s campaign chairman, and said that he’d been talking with Trump about launching Trump TV, a nationalist competitor to Fox. Ailes was so excited that he was willing to forfeit his severance payment from Fox, which was attached to a non-compete agreement. He asked Bannon to join the venture and to start planning it as soon as Trump lost the election.

“What are you talking about?” Bannon recalls replying. “We’re going to win.”

“Stop the [censored],” Ailes responded. “It’s going to be a blowout. It’ll be over by eight o’clock.”

Any hopes that Fox would clean house after Ailes’s departure vanished on August 12, 2016, when Fox named two Ailes loyalists as co-presidents: Jack Abernethy, an executive who managed Fox’s local stations, and Bill Shine. The opinion side of Fox News, which Shine had run, had won out, as had his friend Sean Hannity.

For years, Ailes had been the focus of liberal complaints, and so when Fox pushed him out many people thought that the channel would change. They were right. The problem, Fox’s critics say, is that it’s become a platform for Trump’s authoritarianism. “I know Roger Ailes was reviled,” Charlie Black, the lobbyist, said. “But he did produce debates of both sides. Now Fox is just Trump, Trump, Trump.” Murdoch may find this development untroubling: in 1995, he told this magazine, “The truth is—and we Americans don’t like to admit it—that authoritarian societies can work.”

Greta Van Susteren believes that Ailes’s departure posed a huge challenge for his successors: “It’s like what happens when a dictator falls. If you look historically, when you get rid of a Saddam in Iraq, or a Qaddafi in Libya, the place falls apart.” The celebrity opinion-show hosts who drive the ratings became unbridled and unopposed. Hannity, as the network’s highest-rated and highest-paid star, was especially empowered—and, with him, so was Trump.

After Ailes was ousted, Murdoch, then eighty-five, assumed the title of acting C.E.O. of Fox News, and moved into Ailes’s corner office on the second floor of News Corp’s Manhattan headquarters. Lachlan and James wanted their father to hire an outsider with journalistic experience to run the channel, but Murdoch, who still thinks of himself as a newsman at heart, couldn’t resist filling the top slot himself.

The following winter, Murdoch slipped while on Lachlan’s yacht, seriously injuring his back. For months, people close to the family say, he was in very bad shape, convalescing at home in L.A. Ken LaCorte, the former Fox executive, says that Murdoch shouldn’t be discounted because of his age: “He’s definitely got all his marbles, and is one hundred per cent sharp. When it came to numbers, like ratings, revenues, G.D.P. growth—you name it—he’s like a savant. If you made a mistake with a number, he’d usually catch and correct it.” But a Fox insider told me that Murdoch “was gone a lot,” adding, “He’s old. He likes the idea that he’s running it, but the lunatics took over the asylum.”

When Shine assumed command at Fox, the 2016 campaign was nearing its end, and Trump and Clinton were all but tied. That fall, a FoxNews.com reporter had a story that put the network’s journalistic integrity to the test. Diana Falzone, who often covered the entertainment industry, had obtained proof that Trump had engaged in a sexual relationship in 2006 with a pornographic film actress calling herself Stormy Daniels. Falzone had worked on the story since March, and by October she had confirmed it with Daniels through her manager at the time, Gina Rodriguez, and with Daniels’s former husband, Mike Moz, who described multiple calls from Trump. Falzone had also amassed e-mails between Daniels’s attorney and Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen, detailing a proposed cash settlement, accompanied by a nondisclosure agreement. Falzone had even seen the contract.

But Falzone’s story didn’t run—it kept being passed off from one editor to the next. After getting one noncommittal answer after another from her editors, Falzone at last heard from LaCorte, who was then the head of FoxNews.com. Falzone told colleagues that LaCorte said to her, “Good reporting, kiddo. But Rupert wants Donald Trump to win. So just let it go.” LaCorte denies telling Falzone this, but one of Falzone’s colleagues confirms having heard her account at the time.

Despite the discouragement, Falzone kept investigating, and discovered that the National Enquirer, in partnership with Trump, had made a “catch and kill” deal with Daniels—buying the exclusive rights to her story in order to bury it. Falzone pitched this story to Fox, too, but it went nowhere. News of Trump’s payoffs to silence Daniels, and Cohen’s criminal attempts to conceal them as legal fees, remained unknown to the public until the Wall Street Journal broke the story, a year after Trump became President.

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Nationalist State Run Propaganda right here in the good ole USA. Shameful.

Anyone who fears Democratic Socialist should be crapping their pants over this Nazi fascist, Communist Dictator like relationship with Fox News.

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Nationalist State Run Propaganda right here in the good ole USA. Shameful.


Hannity was a Michael Cohen client. So the GOP sheep will go over the cliff along with it all.


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Hemmer argues that Fox—which, as the most watched cable news network, generates about $2.7 billion a year for its parent company, 21st Century Fox—acts as a force multiplier for Trump, solidifying his hold over the Republican Party and intensifying his support. “Fox is not just taking the temperature of the base—it’s raising the temperature,” she says. “It’s a radicalization model.” For both Trump and Fox, “fear is a business strategy—it keeps people watching.” As the President has been beset by scandals, congressional hearings, and even talk of impeachment, Fox has been both his shield and his sword. The White House and Fox interact so seamlessly that it can be hard to determine, during a particular news cycle, which one is following the other’s lead. All day long, Trump retweets claims made on the network; his press secretary, Sarah Sanders, has largely stopped holding press conferences, but she has made some thirty appearances on such shows as “Fox & Friends” and “Hannity.” Trump, Hemmer says, has “almost become a programmer.”


I couldn't agree more.

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rofl Sara Sanders? Another waste of our tax dollars.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Nationalist State Run Propaganda right here in the good ole USA. Shameful.

Anyone who fears Democratic Socialist should be crapping their pants over this Nazi fascist, Communist Dictator like relationship with Fox News.


State run propaganda.

Nazi.

Fascist.

Dictator.


Who just interviewed a Democratic candidate on their #1 show. More boy who cried wolf.

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/04/media/att-time-warner-trump-gary-cohn/index.html

No - it's not the same and it's not the boy who cried wolf. But any Trump supporter (not saying you are) will not care. . . .

If this story is true - and lets face it, those that don't want to believe will dismiss it regardless of evidence ... and the rest of us will say that it's eminently plausible - it's just another abuse of power and a nail in US ethics in politics. All we need now is the poster that wants to suggest that they are all the same and we should just accept.


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https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/04/media/att-time-warner-trump-gary-cohn/index.html

No - it's not the same and it's not the boy who cried wolf. But any Trump supporter (not saying you are) will not care. . . .

If this story is true - and lets face it, those that don't want to believe will dismiss it regardless of evidence ... and the rest of us will say that it's eminently plausible - it's just another abuse of power and a nail in US ethics in politics. All we need now is the poster that wants to suggest that they are all the same and we should just accept.



While I wouldn't say they are all the same, I have a very hard time believing this doesn't happen at every major cable news run station.

and that is with me admitting that Fox new is and has been for a while, largely propaganda.

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Ethics in politics was buried years ago, even in the 1939 movie "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" shows the unethical corruption. I would venture to say it began long before that too ...


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In Washington DC, you toe the line, or else. As long as the cameras are on, OR, you can find a camera.

I know several people, quite well actually, that have been called to DC to testify, or even just got an invitation to show up.

It's just like these congressional investigations: A dog and pony show, for the cameras.

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Nationalist State Run Propaganda right here in the good ole USA. Shameful.

Anyone who fears Democratic Socialist should be crapping their pants over this Nazi fascist, Communist Dictator like relationship with Fox News.


State run propaganda.

Nazi.

Fascist.

Dictator.


Who just interviewed a Democratic candidate on their #1 show. More boy who cried wolf.


If it's not like that, what's it like? You don't like the comparison, then give me one yourself. NOPE. You just like to sit back and nitpick others, OR you are trying to normalize obvious bad behavior.

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/04/media/att-time-warner-trump-gary-cohn/index.html

No - it's not the same and it's not the boy who cried wolf. But any Trump supporter (not saying you are) will not care. . . .

If this story is true - and lets face it, those that don't want to believe will dismiss it regardless of evidence ... and the rest of us will say that it's eminently plausible - it's just another abuse of power and a nail in US ethics in politics. All we need now is the poster that wants to suggest that they are all the same and we should just accept.



While I wouldn't say they are all the same, I have a very hard time believing this doesn't happen at every major cable news run station.

and that is with me admitting that Fox new is and has been for a while, largely propaganda.


You admit it but attack me for pointing it out and stating that it is being used like fascist and communist dictators have used state run TV? You are either a complete joke or you are talking in circles and don't have a clue about anything.

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Ethics in politics was buried years ago, even in the 1939 movie "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" shows the unethical corruption. I would venture to say it began long before that too ...


More normalizing Trump and Company's horrible behavior.

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More with the false equivalency.

What Trump has done and is doing is not normal politics. It is not the same as what went before. End of story.


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In Washington DC, you toe the line, or else. As long as the cameras are on, OR, you can find a camera.

I know several people, quite well actually, that have been called to DC to testify, or even just got an invitation to show up.

It's just like these congressional investigations: A dog and pony show, for the cameras.


What the hell does that have to do with the subject of the thread? How about telling us if you think Fox and Trump are to cozy to be good for the country. Well?

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More with the false equivalency.

What Trump has done and is doing is not normal politics. It is not the same as what went before. End of story.


Directed at me?

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Ethics in politics was buried years ago, even in the 1939 movie "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" shows the unethical corruption. I would venture to say it began long before that too ...


More normalizing Trump and Company's horrible behavior.


You can say CNN and the Dems are pretty cozy as well ...


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More with the false equivalency.

What Trump has done and is doing is not normal politics. It is not the same as what went before. End of story.


Directed at me?


No ... directed at anyone suggesting that Trump is just doing what others have done .... I hit quick reply instead of replying to a poster.


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Ethics in politics was buried years ago, even in the 1939 movie "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" shows the unethical corruption. I would venture to say it began long before that too ...


More normalizing Trump and Company's horrible behavior.


You can say CNN and the Dems are pretty cozy as well ...


Not even close. How many ex-CNN talking heads are in the White House or serving in the congressional offices?

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And Trump through Gary Cohn tried to block the AT&T Time Warner merger. Time was the parent of CNN, but did not object to the Fox Disney deal. The fox Disney deal made Murdoch somewhere around 2 billion dollars.. Just sayin abuse of power

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And Trump through Gary Cohn tried to block the AT&T Time Warner merger. Time was the parent of CNN, but did not object to the Fox Disney deal. The fox Disney deal made Murdoch somewhere around 2 billion dollars.. Just sayin abuse of power


Yep, we have a POTUS picking winners and losers in the free market. Kind of defeats the purpose of a free market, am I right?

Where is all the GOPer outrage? This is dictator-like behavior.

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You seem to have selective amnesia about presidents blocking mergers.

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I will say I have never seen a president praise and promote a certain news network while vilifying others. What attacks the FBI, the Justice Department and chooses to believe foreign dictators over his own intelligence community.

I won't resort to what I as as extreme hyperbole on the part of some. But this isn't normal for a president. There is nothing that compares to a president publicly promoting one news source while actively demonizing other news sources.


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You seem to have selective amnesia about presidents blocking mergers.


And I certainly agree with that. But let's face it, when the president has been publicly attacking a large company that is involved in the merger, it certainly gives it a look of a personal agenda. It would seem only logical that if you have publicly attacked an entity involved in such a merger over and over again, the smart thing to do would to stay out of commenting on such a merger.


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You're correct, this is uncharted territory, but it has been since before he was elected. The coverage, the vitriol, the dossier, the collusion, the nuclear war cries, the crashing the stock market claims.

Has any of this been normal? He is certainly not a normal president insomuch that he vilifies the media, but they are not without blame in all of this. I think throughout all of this he has exposed the FBI as at a minimum politically active, which it absolutely should not be.


That is not to say that he should disgrace the presidency with his mouth like he has, but if nothing else this term has proven that they are ALL involved in it, way more than we thought. I've seen this jackass tweet "Presidential Harassment" like 3 times this week. The media, the FBI, the lobbyists AND the president have had an unprecedented amount of exposure.

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You seem to have selective amnesia about presidents blocking mergers.


And I certainly agree with that. But let's face it, when the president has been publicly attacking a large company that is involved in the merger, it certainly gives it a look of a personal agenda. It would seem only logical that if you have publicly attacked an entity involved in such a merger over and over again, the smart thing to do would to stay out of commenting on such a merger.


The optics can't be argued, it certainly looks that way.

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You're correct, this is uncharted territory, but it has been since before he was elected. The coverage, the vitriol, the dossier, the collusion, the nuclear war cries, the crashing the stock market claims.


Why is it you seem to only point out the craziness from one side? I don't have all the time it would take to point out all of the crazy claims of the right and Trump over the same time period due to length and the amount of band width it would put on the board.

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He is certainly not a normal president insomuch that he vilifies the media, but they are not without blame in all of this.


See, this is where we disagree. None of us can dictate what or how others act. What we can do is control how we react to them. Trump himself spent eight years undermining the Obama presidency by spreading the lies that he was a Muslim born in Kenya. FOX News, Alex Jones and people like Rush Limbaugh spent those same eight years attacking Obama.

None of those actions would have excused Obama to publicly attack the side of the media that did these things. It would have not excused him for acting like a petulant child and throwing public temper tantrums, calling names and trying to turn the public against the press. It wouldn't have excused him from labeling the press, "the enemy of the people".

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I think throughout all of this he has exposed the FBI as at a minimum politically active, which it absolutely should not be.


I find it laughable how the population has been duped into believing the FBI, that has been run by Republicans and overseen by mostly Republicans has been portrayed as some conspiratorial arm of the Democratic party.


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I'm not sure which jackass you're referring to. I mean there are so many of them it's hard to know which one you're referring to. But if you can't see that Trump tries to bully and harass anyone and everyone that questions him, I'm pretty certain you are having a problem with objectivity on the matter.


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I don't.
I find it incredibly sad.
And a bit scary, quite frankly.


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The people of “rule of law” all of a sudden hate law enforcements agencies.

What is it that conservatives tell us AA’s all the time? Comply with law enforcement?

Now that same law enforcement is going after trump, and all of a sudden it’s corrupt.

Ok.


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The FBI is one of the most corrupt government agencies of all time. From Hoover using it as a way to spy on Congressional members, to the civil Rights era where they killed Martin Luther King Jr., and many others including Fred Hampton. From the 80's with the drug war to so many other things. The FBI IS bad they are corrupt, but they're still a vital institution to white supremacy. The Republicans are right, but naturally not for the reasons they think they are.

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Did you say this in your best lil John voice?

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Why is it you seem to only point out the craziness from one side? I don't have all the time it would take to point out all of the crazy claims of the right and Trump over the same time period due to length and the amount of band width it would put on the board.

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I just don’t pile on to the Trump bashing, there is a lot of fair criticism but it’s far more than that. So I don’t really see a need to interject unless I think (which is often) there is unfair criticism. Anytime I come on here to talk about crazies of the right, there is already a thread with a circle jerk of ignored user activity. I just don’t see the need, but there is almost zero level headed discussion on why maybe any given criticism is unfair. I guess I feel as if I am just filling a gap.


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See, this is where we disagree. None of us can dictate what or how others act. What we can do is control how we react to them. Trump himself spent eight years undermining the Obama presidency by spreading the lies that he was a Muslim born in Kenya. FOX News, Alex Jones and people like Rush Limbaugh spent those same eight years attacking Obama.

None of those actions would have excused Obama to publicly attack the side of the media that did these things. It would have not excused him for acting like a petulant child and throwing public temper tantrums, calling names and trying to turn the public against the press. It wouldn't have excused him from labeling the press, "the enemy of the people".




We disagree again, not to say that Obama did not receive hate and vitriol, it was just not even close to being as accepted in the mainstream as with Trump, I don’t think it’s really debatable that they are on the same level however just it may be perceived.

For example, go look at Ivanka and Melania’s twitter, then venture into the comments section. Now do the same for Michelle. Barack and Michelle were lauded as celebrities and heros by almost anyone outside the fringe Alex Jones types. If you click on Ivanka’s twitter, any given day you might see claims of incest, that she is a horrible person, that any activity she is involved in is a fraud. Not fringe, banned, alt right twitter, blue check mark twitter. I won’t even go into there being really only one right wing network amongst many left leaning networks. The point is, the scale isn’t the same.


Celebrities flaunting severed Obama head photos are where exactly?

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Don't put words in my mouth, I said politically active.



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I'm not sure which jackass you're referring to. I mean there are so many of them it's hard to know which one you're referring to. But if you can't see that Trump tries to bully and harass anyone and everyone that questions him, I'm pretty certain you are having a problem with objectivity on the matter.


Who else is tweeting "Presidential Harassment"? At what point did you make the connection to me not being able to see that I wonder?

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You seem to have selective amnesia about presidents blocking mergers.


Tell us all about it?


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The first link when I googled it, there are some wapo and other articles out there about it.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13538758...erger-wars.html

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The first link when I googled it, there are some wapo and other articles out there about it.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13538758...erger-wars.html


Challenged by the DOJ and FTC, but not by a president.

What's your point?

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as a minority, i trust none of these agencies. there's simply no reason throughout history to have any sort of trust in them whatsoever. which i guess is why my political ideology is called libertarian socialism (side note: i did extensive research after i made that thread, just to make sure that wasnt a contradictory term. it isnt).

i understand its needed, but i still don't trust these institutions worth a damn. but thats part of the bigger issue as it relates to trump and the maga hatters is why you're correct in saying that they're right, but for mostly the wrong reasons.

and thats why conservatives/republicans constantly lose the war of perception, especially with regards to the russia investigation.

the BEST argument trump could've used is this one: why should i trust these intelligence agencies? they are the same agencies that said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, which bush used to start a false war in the middle east that cost the country trillions of dollars and thousands of our soldiers lives.

one of the things that made trump popular with his base is that he wasnt afraid to call out the establishment over the iraq war. but yet he still doesn't realize he could've used that same energy when it comes to the russia probe.

and thats not what these clueless people used either. they decided to go the political route, making it a left/right, republican/democrat issue. that angle completely leaves them open to criticism, as its way too easy to point out how hypocritical they are when it comes to when and how they want to believe in the rule of law.

so because of that, as well as the fact that he cant shut up about it, people around him keeping getting arrested over russia, his own AG had to recuse himself, and his constant brown nosing of Putin and other authoritarian figures, he literally gave us all the reasons to believe these law enforcement/intelligence agencies over him.

especially in a political climate when americans had no reason to believe these agencies. We're still ticked off about the false iraq war, and then the whole NSA snowden situation popped off, furthering the distrust of these agencies. nevermind all the things in between i didn't mention.

but Trump just can't keep his mouth shut, and has already shown to WILLINGLY surround himself with the worst of the worst, he has the majority of the country now in support of shady ass agencies because somehow, Trump found a way to be worse than them.

some freelance writer on the syfy channel couldn't come up with a better plot than what is currently happening.


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Yet people elected a man who spent eight years publicly spreading the lies that Obama was a Muslim born in Kenya. Helping lead the lies of the birther movement. You'll have to forgive me, or maybe not, if I feel he deserves every ounce of what he's getting based on his own actions. I'm not going to join in the pity party or play the victim card for man who has earned everything he's getting. You reap what you sow.


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