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I have zero sympathy for people who didn’t vote. They literally told the opposition and/or both sides to make the decision for them.

And that’s exactly what happened. So when CHS pretends like not voting in 2016 is a good thing, I hope he understands that trump supporters agree with him.

They hope he doesn’t show up in 2020, either. Or the election after that.

I voted tho ????

Not for anybody that mattered.

And please spare the argument of not voting for a major party candidate that you tried the last time we had this argument. That’s fairy tale college campus BS that doesn’t work in the real world.

Neither does electing idiots like Killary and Obama, who do nothing to help people.

Obama helped us plenty. He carried us like I carried you in call of duty.

Nah his first term he gave us that LeBron Lakers effort.

And I didn't know the maps!!!!

Don't they all?

Then why the hell did he lie about it.. We all know he has that authority.. We know it.. we also know that nobody else has that authority.

So why did he lie about it..

and thats the one thing no maga hatter has been able to answer.

why lie about all of this if its not a big deal or illegal?

Swish - they don't care. I listened to a little NPR after dropping kids off at school - they had a Rep strategist on who was under Bush. Normally the Bush connections find what Trump has done to be abhorrent and they are critical. Distilling his answers down to a nutchell - GOP voters don't care.

They don't care if Trump broke laws before he took office or after he took office.

They don't care what Cohen has to say and what his documents might prove.

They don't care that Trump constantly lies.

They don't care that they chanted "lock her up" at Trump rallies - only for Trump to be accused of worse than Hilary.

They don't care about tax evasion by Trump or his organization.

And I think he's probably right. America deserves what it's got in this corrupt, lying, manipulative, cheating POS.

As China and Russia systematically work towards destabilizing and undermining the USA - Trump is Putin's puppet and doing his work for him and at the end of the day the USA deserves what it gets because too many don't care.

Here's the problem in a nutshell.. in 2016, CPAC wouldn't allow trump to attend the conference... They didn't want him there.

Now, he's the beloved nutjob that constantly lies to them and they eat it up like it's chocolate cake with whipped cream icing..

Yet, if you take a moment to talk to some republicans off to the side, most think trump sucks.

But, on camera, it's a different story.. They stand by their man, even if he really isn't their man.

Par for the course to this point.

Voting for someone unworthy to be president makes you more a part of the problem than people who didn't vote at all.

Claiming your scum bag is better than the other scum bag still means you voted for a scum bag.

Yes, but not voting means you’re only letting others decide which scumbag you’re gonna have to put up with for the next 4 years.

My ancestors didn’t bust their ass to fight for the right for us to vote for me to sit on my ass come crunch time.

Some feel that they are compelled to vote. Some feel there is value to their vote and that their vote has to be earned, not just given away.

And others love when some stay at home, giving their candidate a higher chance of winning.

Well you can spout that all you like. The problem is that both Trump and Hillary were such sucky candidates I would have almost had to flip a coin to decide. So in your world, you may have ended up being one of those who would have loved to see me stay home.

Nah, if someone isn't at least honest and sincere in what they believe, they're not getting my vote. You can set the bar as low as you would like. It's your vote.

And there's nothing wrong for wanting something different than Pepsi or Coke.

I'm not one who is against playing follow the leader. But in order to follow a leader you have to have a leader to follow.

Not really. Atleast you would’ve actually showed up to vote in crunch time.

I think 40 is clueless, but atleast he’s reliable in crunch time, regardless of the outcome.

It’s easier to deal with reliable people over those who aren’t. So yea, I will spout whatever I like.

Being a blind follower of anyone isn't something I was ever raised to do. I call people who do that sheeple.

Trump isn't even the worst President. He's making us have a lot of uncomfortable conversations. He's also completely inept so the damage he's done has been minimal.

Admitting it’s a mess is step 1 in the 12 step process.

I have to wait on all of the evidence to come in before I say he isn't the worst president. I do think driving a wedge between the people rather than try to unify them is one of the top things a president can do to harm a nation.

Entering into unjust wars is probably the biggest humanitarian mistake a president can make. And thus far Trump isn't on that list. But he still has time.

Our nation was already politically divided, but when the man at the top does his best to make the division in his own country even worse, history has shown us where that can lead.

We clearly have different definitions on what “blind following” means.

Yes I believe we do. See, I can vote for someone I disagree with on several issues. No matter which way I vote that will end up happening. But I have to believe that they believe what they're saying. That they'll do their best to follow through with what they claim to stand for.

Let me give you an example. Had Hillary been running against a healthy John McCain, I would vote for John McCain. Not because he's a Republican but because he was a man of strong conviction willing to put his life on the line for our country. Because he was a man that was strong in his convictions and wasn't some whackamole. He wasn't an extremist. He was about as much of a centrist as any Republican out there.

It's not about party to me. It's about the candidate. It's about voting for someone to lead our country. I didn't see any of that in 2016. My hope is the Democrats nominate someone who I can see as a leader. Someone I see as believing what they say and having strong convictions. Because one thing I'm certain I could never do is vote for Trump.

This post makes your comments all the more confusing. It implies that because people saw something in a particular candidate that you didn’t means they are blind followers.

For somebody who claims to see both sides, this is a very narrow minded perspective. For example, I have made plenty of post outlining why I voted for Hillary, without even mentioning trump. Adding trump into the equation only cements my opinion on that.

Yet somehow that equals blind following? So it’s only cool if you do it, but when others come to a different conclusion, it’s blind following.

Lol, ok.

Yea, we don’t ever see eye to eye on this issue. Oh well.

I didn't mean to imply that everyone sees this the same. I was simply saying how I feel about the situation that was presented in 2016. I would have felt like a blind follower had I voted for Hillary. That's not to mean everyone saw it the same way I did.

President pressured staff to grant security clearance to Ivanka Trump

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/05/politics/ivanka-trump-security-clearance-pressure/index.html

Could you imagine what the MAGA hatters/BpG would be saying if Obama gave malia a top secret clearance?

But they don’t care about nepotism. We fought a freaking war to separate ourselves from the crown, and then conservatives decide to back a new royal family.

Pathetic.

American politics have always been built on family dynasties.

Really? So can you tell me which Bush daughter got a clearance while daddy was president?

Not always. It's becoming more prevelent now. The only family dynasties have been the Adams, Harrison, Roosevelt, and Bush families. In total, 11 presidents have been related by blood or marriage. Congress is a different story, but still rare.

So almost a 4th of all our presidents. Also focusing on families like the Tafts who have had multiple senators, governors, one President and one Chief justice of the supreme Court.

Don't forget the Kennedys. Their Grandkids are in politics