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I think KC would be in play for Duke...they need a RB, and he fits Reid's offense perfectly.
Duke for Houston, straight-up? Not sure how he'd fit in our 4-3 defense.
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Yeah, their GM seems to be someone who holds them back (or keeps them down)
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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If I am understanding the situation, the Giants' situation looks like this:
Currently sitting at $25.8M in available cap space, according to Spotrac.
If they trade OBJ, they immediately take on an additional $12M in dead cap space, the $4M was already assumed for 2019, leaving $13.8M in available space for NY come the new league year.
Does that look right?
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the key is if they trade him before or after June 1
If the Giants trade OBJ before June 1, they would save $5m in cap space, but would take a $16 million dead cap hit this year.
If they trade him after June 1, they would save $17m in cap space this year, but would take a $4m dead cap hit this year and $12m in 2020. Now i’m Confused again ... *L* ... Please correct me if i’m Wrong ... If they trade him after 6/1 the equation would be: 17 mill(salary/bonus) - 4 mill (dead money) = 13 million off the cap this year Next year the equation would be ..... 12 mill(dead money) - X = net gain or loss on the cap ... X = his 2020 salary/and bonus money he’d receive next year ... I have no clue what this means ... If the Giants trade OBJ before June 1, they would save $5m in cap space, but would take a $16 million dead cap hit this year.Why would they only save 5 mill in cap space instead of the 17 million ... i don’t understand ... please explain ... thank u ..
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Still strange to me that NYG would keep propping up Manning with strings every year but let a guy like Collins go, and if the rumor of trading OBJ are true...just what exactly is he doing I’m not sure what he’s doing but Memph posted a link to his twitter account yesterday ... i went and checked it out ... i’ll say this for the guy ... he’s not afraid to say or offend anyone and he’s funny as hell ... i’m not a twitter dude ... but i’m Gonna join just to follow him .. he was hysterical and not shy at all ... He posted a pic of Dorsey and himself talking at the combine and said he was thanking him for Bark ... *L* ..
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https://overthecap.com/player/odell-beckham-jr/2951/They owe him $21M. If they trade him they take on $16M in dead money against the cap and gain $5M in cap space for 2019. That’s all you need to know.
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It's not his real account. It's an account that makes fun of him because he is an idiot.
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Duke for Houston, straight-up? I think this grossly overvalues Duke.
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This could be a great pickup for them alongside Hilton.
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Duke for Houston, straight-up? I think this grossly overvalues Duke. No. The opposite. Teams will trade a pick for Duke Johnson. They will not trade a pick for Justin Houston. Houston’s contract is too onerous.
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It's not his real account. It's an account that makes fun of him because he is an idiot. 
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Duke for Houston, straight-up? I think this grossly overvalues Duke. No. The opposite. Teams will trade a pick for Duke Johnson. They will not trade a pick for Justin Houston. Houston’s contract is too onerous. Yeah, I was going to say, not when it is being reported that KC could cut him.
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It's not his real account. It's an account that makes fun of him because he is an idiot. *L* .... so i’m the idiot ...
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Tyrell Williams will be too expensive for my taste .. He's good, but it's a risk IMO
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Thanks for the breakdown ...
I agree with your line of thinking ... theres 16 mill in dead money but 17 mill comes off the cap in salary and the bonus for a net of a negative 1 million ....
Who cares about dead money the over all net of minus a million is what counts in my book ...
Can someone explain why thats not the proper light to view that in ... cause it sure sounds logical to me ...
You also need to factor into the equation the salary of his replacement. Assuming those numbers are correct, if they sign another Wr to a cap hit of $2 million a year then it would be a $1 million net increase.
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Still strange to me that NYG would keep propping up Manning with strings every year but let a guy like Collins go, and if the rumor of trading OBJ are true...just what exactly is he doing They drafted a running back over a potential franchise QB, that’s all you need to know. Their GM is out to lunch. He is the same guy who killed the Panthers. I think this is yet to be determined. If Darnold turns into Mark Sanchez and Barkley is the next Walter Payton then this was a good decision. If Darnold ends up being a HOF'er then it was a poor decision regardless of how great Barkley becomes.
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unless the Giants trade for Rosen, he pans out, and Barkley continues the tear he's projected to
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Also ... i’ve Heard about AB’s dead money being like 15 million ... does anyone know what the net gain or loss would be with him when the stilers trade him? ...
If I am not mistaken its more like 20-21 million for AB.
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If the Giants tank next year and get Tua, then no one will care that they passed up Darnold. Just like no one cares that we didn't draft Trubisky instead of Myles.
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Also ... i’ve Heard about AB’s dead money being like 15 million ... does anyone know what the net gain or loss would be with him when the stilers trade him? ...
If I am not mistaken its more like 20-21 million for AB. Trying to go off of the same process for OBJ, I think it's broken down like this: $3.8M x 3 (for the signing bonus amoritized for three remaining years) + $2.5M roster bonus due on St. Patrick's Day + $3.24M x 3 (for the restructured portion of his deal amoritized for three remaining years) = $23.62M. I'm guessing by trading AB before the 17th means the new team will be responsible for the $2.5M roster bonus costing the Steelers, $21.12M of dead cap...all in 2019. So yeah, it looks like you're right. Also....Steelers Team Cap Space: $16,304,956 (according to overthecap)
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Yeah He's been one of my FA hopefuls...Trent Brown I think he can end up being a HOF type RT. I would love him instead of Hubbard who could be the back up. Unfortunately Robinson just cannot play at RT...why he bounced around his position is LT and nothing but. He failed miserably at RT and OG.
We should keep Robinson at LT with Harrison as his backup and get a Monster of a RT like Trent Brown! I got a lot of Defensive hopefuls but one of mine for the O is RT and Trent Brown is at the top of my list. Good Pick up 
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j/c:
I was listening to some guys talking about the Giants earlier. It was mentioned that Landon Collins is a limited SS, but to get absolutely nothing for him is a crime and why Gettleman is a moron. They talked about Belichick getting picks for guys like Chandler, Collins, etc when he knew he wasn't going to re-sign them once their contracts came up.
It reminded me of just how inept the Browns FO has been over the years. We got nothing in return for players like Alex Mack, Schwartz, Gipson, Haden, etc. Absolutely nothing!
I hope those days are long gone.
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Mack was a horse of a different color.. There were issues, he beat our FO up, and won. But the others, I just don't remember the details
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We got nothing in return for players like Alex Mack, Schwartz, Gipson, Haden, etc. Absolutely nothing! Except that's not true. We did get draft picks for Mack, Schwartz and Gipson.
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I'd take him... 
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Yes, let’s compare the situation of not tagging Landon Collins, 25, to: Alex Mack, who was already tagged once and made it abundantly clear he wanted out. OR Mitchell Schwartz, who if tagged, was a right tackle getting left tackle money. Real smart. (not resigning him was the issue, not "not getting anything for him") OR Joe Haden, who was coming off of two, maybe three, straight years of injuries and you want to pay him top three CB money? Plus we already extended him in 2013. Funny that you called for him to be cut the year before. OR Gipson…. I just laughed here. There really isn’t any justification to have tagged him whatsoever.
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We got nothing in return for players like Alex Mack, Schwartz, Gipson, Haden, etc. Absolutely nothing! Except that's not true. We did get draft picks for Mack, Schwartz and Gipson. Great point. Still would have liked to have retained Schwartz instead of a comp pick though.
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Who was talking about tags?
Don't answer. No one was. I'm not going to get into it w/you and device. I talked about a conversation that was being held and I expressed my opinion. I already knew you two would start crying.
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I have argued countless hours with a friend who says we should have tagged Schwartz.
He also tries to laugh at me saying I'm just an "armchair GM" who doesn't get it.
Then I laugh at the irony.
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Yeah, no one would've traded for Haden's contact. KC is seeing the same thing with Houston.
Are you sure we got comp picks for Mack, Schwartz and Gipson? I didn't think we did.
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I was just correcting your misinformation. No need to get upset.
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How else would we get something for them? Trade before week 6 in 2015?
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How else would we get something for them? Trade before week 6 in 2015? Comp picks.
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Yeah, no one would've traded for Haden's contact. KC is seeing the same thing with Houston.
Are you sure we got comp picks for Mack, Schwartz and Gipson? I didn't think we did. We earned compensatory picks for Mack, Schwartz, Gipson, and Benjamin. Max 4, I believe. The 3rd rd compensatory pick was actually traded to NE for Jamie Collins. So essentially we ended up losing Mack, but gained Collins. Obviously not an even trade, but we did gain something rather than nothing as was previously mentioned.
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And we did. But that's not what he was referring to. In fact, he completely overlooked that aspect.
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Ok cool. It was kinda hard to find the info, so I just wanted some clarity.
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Are you sure we got comp picks for Mack, Schwartz and Gipson? I didn't think we did. Browns got a 3rd for Mack, a 4th for Schwartz and a 4th for Gipson. They also got a 5th for Benjamin. :no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8041993/compotc2017.png) https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/2/24/...s-are-confirmed
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