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But he's small and from the Big 12 so he HAS to be great, right?

The thing is that being undersized and playing in the Big 12 were valid concerns. Those concerns were not limited to posters on this board. They were widely expressed by people who know way more about football than any of us. But, let's not that get in the way of trying to ridicule other posters, because you know, that makes him look better.

Man Kyler Murray....what a quandary, so glad we do not have the 1st pick this year.

There were times last year when I thought Baker lost receivers in the trash due to his height and he's 3 inches taller. Add in that Murray ran for 1,000 yards and 12 TDs. My gut tells me that guy is going to do a lot of running around unnecessarily.

The NFL is going Air Raid, we even hired Monken. In a system like that maybe he can make it, but man, history isn't kind to sub 6 foot qb's.

When you lead with size and conference as to why someone won't be a good QB among a myriad of others things that are FAR more relevant, it deserves being laughed at.

Murray might not make it as an NFL QB, but height won't be the reason why. As long as he's not the size of Warwick Davis, being 5'10 or 6'0 is lower on the totem pole compared to other more important factors.

When you lead with the type of post you made above, you deserve to be laughed at. You're not superior enough of a human being to be laughing at others.

What a guy.

Well, you either think you're better than others or you don't. I didn't want you to confuse yourself about that.

You should go look up some of your past posts when commenting on others' opinion and see where you fall.

Practice what you preach.

I'm guessing you think pretty highly of yourself....

I think a lot of those concerns were media-driven.

Wait........are people really debating who started the insults?

It never ends.

We know who did. But are you surprised? Then he likes to think everyone is fooled with his BS.

Even yours.

j/c

What I hate about the board when there is no real football news, the conversations tend to deteriorate into tit-for-tat arguments over nothing of substance.

Actually, that occurs even when we are playing football.

Ah, back to your old ways I see. Not surprised.

Have you ever owned up to anything. All you did on this thread is pick fights. Then you got the gall to make a statement like

Ah, back to your old ways I see. Not surprised.

If you mean my old ways as in not having any respect for you as a poster...YEP, and what is this back stuff, I never left as you pick fights all over the board. Then point your finger to others.

smh Grow a set and post football!

Like you just did? Maybe you need to read the entire thread and figure out how this started. But I doubt you will. You just keep being tab until you go off the deep end...... again.

I believe it started because someone took offense to a post that wasn't even directed at him and thus made a derogatory remark towards that poster... then you followed suit.

Sure it did. You took a jab and got countered with a hook. That's the way it goes.

You keep track of who gets suspended?

No, but you taught me how to if I so choose to. What does going off the deep end have to do with getting suspended? I think you're inferring things that weren't posted..... again.

I'll let your snide comments go...... this time.

I don't think Murray is worth the #1 pick. He certainly isn't a Baker Mayfield. He doesn't have the accuracy throwing into tight NFL windows. You are right in that he is a system QB. But even at that his ceiling will only take him so far at the next level. I think that Kingsbury can get the most out of him that a coach can. But that won't take them far enough to save either one of them in the NFL.

Rosen is the perfect fit in New York if they plan to stick with the same system they are running with Eli. He's a prototypical pocket QB. The transition would be about as seamless as it can be for both Rosen and the Giants.

Murray should play Baseball … JMHO

I would agree...

The question, I suppose is, does ole Kliffy want a traditional pocket passer to run his offense.

I think it's crazy to think Arizona traded up to draft Rosen and now that they have the first pick they want to take Murray. How much better is Murray than Rosen. What can Murray do that Rosen can't?

If I'm the owner of this team and my GM says we need to draft a QB after trading up for one the previous draft, I'm thinking does this cat even know what he's doing?

I think Arizona is trying to convince someone to make a big offer to trade up for Murray.

I don't think there is an OL worthy of going #1 overall, and Rosen is going to need some better protection if he is going to be successful.

I think they are trying to get Oakland to bite with a package along the lines of 4 and 27.

Then the Cardinals could take an edge rusher (or Quinnen Williams if Bosa and Allen go 2-3) at 4 and a tackle at 27.

With the way the rumor mill has him taking Murray, I'd say he certainly isn't looking for a pocket style QB to run his offense.



That's certainly one logical way to look at it.

The other way to see it is that they hired a coach who runs a totally different scheme that wants and needs a different style of QB to run his system. As such you made the decision to change directions on the QB position the day you signed him as your HC.

I understand your point and I agree, but keep in mind our new DC was hired a year ago to be Arizona's HC.

So, a new HC was hired and a trade up in the draft for a QB. The next year a different HC was hired and a new QB is being drafted.

If you didn't like Wilks, why in the heck wouldn't you bring in a HC to be the mentor for the QB you traded up for a year ago...

If he's telling you he screwed up the previous year, how much faith do you have in the guy to not screw up again? Just weird to me.

But would it still be considered a screw up had you have kept Wilks as your HC? Would it still be a screw up if you hired a HC whose system depended on a pocket passer? Maybe the real mistake was hiring a new HC that would require a QB change to effectively run his system?

From my perspective where the screw up occurred was hiring Wilks as the HC. It's obvious to me that when they hired Wilks it went along with the drafting of Rosen.

It also seems obvious to me that when they hired Kingsbury the decision was made to move away from Rosen to get Kingsbury the QB he needed to run his system.

I see it more as an indictment of hiring Wilks in 2018 than the drafting of Rosen. I'm not sure who made the call to hire Kingsbury. Whoever made that call seems to be the culprit that caused the need to change QB's IMO.

Yeah, but I don't know anything about the game so you must find that amazing!

I think the real mistake was hiring Kingbury. What has that guy ever done to warrant being named HC of an NFL team? Dude had a losing record at Texas Tech and was fired from that position.

He then gets an OC position at a has-been college team in USC, which is a demotion from being a HC.........and yet, somehow...Keim hires this guy as HC in Arizona and is seemingly willing to give up on a qb who was drafted in the top 10 last year and go for a qb that absolutely no one would have at the top of the board if Kingsbury wasn't the coach.

I think most teams probably have Murray as the top QB.

The above statement is not provable.

I disagree and I can't prove that, either.

We do know that Murray had a grade that was often outside of the first round from guys who evaluate the draft. Of course, those guys aren't always right. Last year is an example of that.