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Haden was released. No comp pick. Haden was also offered to restructure his contract and stay in Cleveland, he said no.
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Looking at this chart, I'm reminded that tagging Schwartz would have cost about 12 million. I think at the time (haven't looked recently) this contract for Schwartz made him the 3rd or 4th highest paid RT in the league. I think he would have been the highest paid RT (other than Lane Johnson) had he chosen to sign the contract rather than test the FA waters which subsequently turned into a possible blunder by our FO.
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It was definitely a blunder not re-signing him long-term.
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Gettleman and Dorsey were chatting at the combine...
I wonder if they were talking about Collins? This Collins?
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Better get a lot for him. He's one of the best in the NFL.
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Successful franchises don't spend 2nd rounders on backup interior linemen. Zeitler is very good, but a QB has more of an affect on whether they get sacked than the linemen has.
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Successful franchises don't spend 2nd rounders on backup interior linemen. Zeitler is very good, but a QB has more of an affect on whether they get sacked than the linemen has. In today's NFL, it's more important to keep pressure from coming up the middle that it is from the edge. Zeittler is an outstanding Guard. He is also a very strong run blocker.
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An interior pass rush is becoming focused on more and Zeitler has been one of the best pass blockers and makes up an amazing interior line. If this "move" is just to play Corbett.....
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I can't say if Corbett is going to a great OG or not but I know Zeitler IS so please leave him alone ...
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Successful franchises don't spend 2nd rounders on backup interior linemen. Zeitler is very good, but a QB has more of an affect on whether they get sacked than the linemen has. In today's NFL, it's more important to keep pressure from coming up the middle that it is from the edge. Zeittler is an outstanding Guard. He is also a very strong run blocker. Exactly why he has trade value. I don't want to get rid of him, but if someone calls about a 2nd round pick, well they would have my attention.
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Successful franchises don't spend 2nd rounders on backup interior linemen. Zeitler is very good, but a QB has more of an affect on whether they get sacked than the linemen has. In today's NFL, it's more important to keep pressure from coming up the middle that it is from the edge. Zeittler is an outstanding Guard. He is also a very strong run blocker. Exactly why he has trade value. I don't want to get rid of him, but if someone calls about a 2nd round pick, well they would have my attention. For who? Ziegler? Stick to your QB La'La Land. Murray and Tua.
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I don't want Murray or Tua lol
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Thought I read where Johnson was oft injured...
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Thought I read where Johnson was oft injured... He was injured in '16, '17 and '18. Has had multiple concussions. I'd imagine he'll come cheap if he is signed.
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Dude has like 8 concussions. Pay him vet minimum and make him wear a helmet getting on and off the plane.
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I agree. I don't think we should trade Zeitler. He played very well last year.
I think it is important to have a very good OL in front of Baker because if his first read isn't there, he takes too much time to go through his progressions. While PFF grades are not an end-all, I believe he was ranked in the top 3 interior linemen last year. I hope we keep him.
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March 3, 2019 12:17 am Texans' Kevin Johnson: Texans looking to move on by RotoWire Staff | RotoWire Johnson has been made available for trade by the Texans and could be released, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports. Johnson is coming off three injury-plagued seasons in which he played only 19 games, including only one game in 2018. The Texans picked up his $9.07 million option for 2019 last spring, but the money is not yet fully guaranteed. Given his contract and injury history, finding a trade partner is likely to be challenging. January 7, 2019 6:57 am Texans' Kevin Johnson: Medically cleared by RotoWire Staff | RotoWire Johnson (concussion) said doctors have cleared him, and he'll "be ready to go next season," Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle reports. Johnson was limited to one game in 2018, the second time in three seasons he's missed more games than played. The Texans exercised a team option on Johnson for 2019, and he's expected to be one of the starting cornerbacks. He's known as a physical corner and for his willingness to engage. Link
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Looks like he’s gonzo ... bummer ...
I don't mind trading him. He can be replaced. I am not a big fan of OBJ. I have a good friend who grew up in NYC and is a big Giants fan. He hates OBJ. Says he is a team wrecker. That is just his opinion, but I sort of get that feeling as well. He is a high maintenance person.
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Successful franchises don't spend 2nd rounders on backup interior linemen. Zeitler is very good, but a QB has more of an affect on whether they get sacked than the linemen has. In today's NFL, it's more important to keep pressure from coming up the middle that it is from the edge. Zeittler is an outstanding Guard. He is also a very strong run blocker. I have said that for a long time. QB's hate pressure up the middle. On the edge they can deal with that as long as the tackles protect more to the inside. QB's can step up to beat that pressure. A step or two up brings their tackle back in to position. In their face pressure is the killer.
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KEVIN JOHNSON
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Free agent CB Kevin Johnson will visit the Browns Friday.
Johnson has already met with Buffalo since his release from the Texans. The oft-injured Johnson is healthy but he has a concerning concussion history. Johnson should be open to one-year offers.
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I have to say that you posting news two hours after the "news" broke is one of my favorite things.
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KEVIN JOHNSON
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Free agent CB Kevin Johnson will visit the Browns Friday.
Johnson has already met with Buffalo since his release from the Texans. The oft-injured Johnson is healthy but he has a concerning concussion history. Johnson should be open to one-year offers.
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Mar 6, 2019, 5:37 PM Johnson had a lot of talent when coming out of Wake Forest I believe...obviously the concussions are concerning...see Ward and EJ Gaines...wouldn't mind him for depth with Gaines leaving.
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Hey tru.........good post. I agree w/you about Johnson and I liked him in that particular draft. He did play for Wake.
I liked that he was very athletic and seemed to have that coveted quick-twitch ability. Had very good hips and could transition quickly. The negative I had on him is that he was kinda slight of build and durability was a concern according to some of the reports I read.
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I have to say that you posting news two hours after the "news" broke is one of my favorite things.
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This rumor about Zeitler being shopped "if" accurate is more about Corbett.
Corbett was not going to crack the OG lineup with Bitonio and Zeitler there.
At the same time Corbett was a second round choice. Bitonio and Zeitler are highly paid. Big investment at guard.
So, if OBJ can be had for Zeitler and draft picks?
That would all depend upon where those draft picks are?
Zeitler is making about $10 a year. OBJ $20. OBJ is 26 years old. Zeitler 28.
What draft picks would make this happen?
My guess a second this year and maybe next years first rounder.
If we picked low next year?
I would consider it for sure.
OBJ is a talent playing on a bad team. He is not going to make them a title contender. They have needs including a future quarterback. Draft picks and Zeitler would help probably more than Beckam.
What would he do for us? Well Perriman and his agent apparently think he is worth a bunch.
Maybe he is not. There is no doubt what Beckham can do.
Landry is high strung. So is Beckham. They are buddies.
We could expect big results and most likely get them.
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Your post makes sense to me.
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These next seven days are going to be tense, exciting, and interesting.... or just downright frustrating.
Browns is the Browns
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Knowing Dorsey..............I am leaning more towards interesting and exciting, rather than frustrating.
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This rumor about Zeitler being shopped "if" accurate is more about Corbett.
Corbett was not going to crack the OG lineup with Bitonio and Zeitler there.
At the same time Corbett was a second round choice. Bitonio and Zeitler are highly paid. Big investment at guard.
So, if OBJ can be had for Zeitler and draft picks?
That would all depend upon where those draft picks are?
Zeitler is making about $10 a year. OBJ $20. OBJ is 26 years old. Zeitler 28.
What draft picks would make this happen?
My guess a second this year and maybe next years first rounder.
If we picked low next year?
I would consider it for sure.
OBJ is a talent playing on a bad team. He is not going to make them a title contender. They have needs including a future quarterback. Draft picks and Zeitler would help probably more than Beckam.
What would he do for us? Well Perriman and his agent apparently think he is worth a bunch.
Maybe he is not. There is no doubt what Beckham can do.
Landry is high strung. So is Beckham. They are buddies.
We could expect big results and most likely get them.
I agree. Corbett is a big part of the talk. One of the negatives I have with OBJ is team fir. I do have to consider his relationship with Landry. Could be that any problems he has had in NY is because of problem with that team. It doesn't mean those will be problems on this team. As to the picks, whet you mentioned sounds reasonable to me. I would have said something along the same line. With OBJ, one would think we could score more points and inserting Corbett wouldn't subtract many points, so one would think we will be picking in the mid twenties next year. At least we hope so and expect so.
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Probably a combination of all.
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These next seven days are going to be tense, exciting, and interesting.... or just downright frustrating.
Probably a combination of all. Diam may have to build a second pier for all the boats that may be heading to the Isle...
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Zeitler... a second this year and maybe next years first rounder.
While I have no apparent objection to acquiring OBJ, that seems far too high a price to pay.
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This rumor about Zeitler being shopped "if" accurate is more about Corbett.
Corbett was not going to crack the OG lineup with Bitonio and Zeitler there.
At the same time Corbett was a second round choice. Bitonio and Zeitler are highly paid. Big investment at guard.
So, if OBJ can be had for Zeitler and draft picks?
That would all depend upon where those draft picks are?
Zeitler is making about $10 a year. OBJ $20. OBJ is 26 years old. Zeitler 28.
What draft picks would make this happen?
My guess a second this year and maybe next years first rounder.
If we picked low next year?
I would consider it for sure.
OBJ is a talent playing on a bad team. He is not going to make them a title contender. They have needs including a future quarterback. Draft picks and Zeitler would help probably more than Beckam.
What would he do for us? Well Perriman and his agent apparently think he is worth a bunch.
Maybe he is not. There is no doubt what Beckham can do.
Landry is high strung. So is Beckham. They are buddies.
We could expect big results and most likely get them.
I agree. Corbett is a big part of the talk. One of the negatives I have with OBJ is team fir. I do have to consider his relationship with Landry. Could be that any problems he has had in NY is because of problem with that team. It doesn't mean those will be problems on this team. As to the picks, whet you mentioned sounds reasonable to me. I would have said something along the same line. With OBJ, one would think we could score more points and inserting Corbett wouldn't subtract many points, so one would think we will be picking in the mid twenties next year. At least we hope so and expect so. Maybe that's the reason for Landrys tweet about getting your mind right? I wonder
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