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With all the speculation about Murray going number one what becomes of Rosen?
So, Arizona fires their head coach after one year?? Hires a guy who many could question. Then after trading up to get Rosen in the first; now he going to be traded after one year?
I get that Murray will be a better fit for Kingsbury's offense.
What I don't get is the decisions made.
Rosen will attract attention. He will bring more than a third rounder. Rosen was thrown into a horrible situation last year. There is no way he can be judged by that year alone.
Jay Gruden at Washington has to be thinking. "I will take Rosen".
Cousins played well there. Alex Smith is a solid pro. But he is coming off a bad injury and is getting older. Gruden likes pure pocket passers. Guys who can execute his offense.
Rosen may be a perfect fit. This guy is a very good pocket passer and will be a solid pro. If he is in the right place. Washington seems like the right place.
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I think Washington is a good fit.
I also think that NYG, New England, Chargers, Cinci, New Orleans, Steelers, and Miami make sense.
What about AB for Rosen?
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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Cardinals have yet to shop Josh Rosen.
This doesn't mean he won't be traded. The Cardinals aren't in active talks on Rosen but there's considerable buzz they plan to take Kyler Murray No. 1 overall. The latest rumors suggest Arizona may only get a third-round pick for Rosen.
SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
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My hope is that he doesn't end up with Belechick.
All the trash that comes at this time of year. Who the hell knows?
I think he will draw a lot of interest. I know I am not buying he could be gotten for a third rounder.
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Do you remember who I compared Rosen to before the draft?
It was Jimmy G. And BB loved Jimmy G. He was ready to move on from Brady for Jimmy G. Kraft intervened.
So, I think BB trading for Rosen to back-up Brady for a couple of years while grooming Rosen in the Patriot way makes a ton of sense to me.
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You'd think pats would need to do something long term at qb. I think that this would make sense....
Washington makes sense too
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If the price is only a third round pick, then every team should be trying to trade for him. Which means the price will be more than a third round pick. If the Cardinals trade Rosen, I’d expect him to be on Washington or Miami.
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I remember.
It would make sense for him.
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Definitely the teams with aging QBs should be all over this.
They all still have Rosens grade from the draft.
Just keep him away from Pittsburgh.
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By no means is Rosen a wash. It just looks like the Cards are going all in with Murray and the new wide open system the new coach will bring.
It's kind of like when a few teams tried the run and shoot Offense. The problem then is not many players could play that O because it was a new system. The players today came up through the HS ranks playing the spread, or air raid or whatever you want to call it, so I think there is a good chance the Cards will see success.
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Oh gosh...lol its like we just "tagged you're it" to Zona as they took over for us in ineptitude.
All I know is that if they don't fix the OL don't matter who they have. At least the kid has a chance to scramble and run for his life although I don't see him learning much that way and I like him so I don't wish him to get hurt either. I think Lamar is more slippery than Murray.
jmho If still broken after 2 years look for another Regime change. Murray back to baseball... 
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Yep, I'm thinking the GM and HC will both be gone after two more years.
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Honestly, not sure how much faith one could have in a GM who traded up for a QB in the first round only the following season draft one in the first round again. I think that's unprecedented.
And like you said, the choice of HC is a peculiar one... however, with that said, if you're putting all your eggs in the Kingsbury basket you better get him the QB he wants. You didn't hire Kingsbury to build you a dynamic defense.
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I don't want to hijack this thread and I know you made it about Rosen, but I was just thinking about Steve Keim, the Cardinals GM.
Think about what he's done recently.
--Signed Sam Bradford to a 1 year $20 million deal.
--Signed Mike Glennon to a 2-year $8 million deal.
--Completely ignored his OL and almost got both Bradford and Rosen killed.
--Pressured Bruce Arians out of a job.
--Hired Steve Wilkes despite the latter having only one year as a DC.
--Fired Wilkes less than a year later.
--Traded up in the first round for Josh Rosen.
--Hired Kliff Kingsbury, who had a losing record at TT, as his new HC.
--Had an "Extreme DUI" where he blew .19 this summer.
--Is said to want to trade the Rosen and draft Kyler Murray w/the first overall pick.
And the dude still has a job.
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I don't want to hijack this thread and I know you made it about Rosen, but I was just thinking about Steve Keim, the Cardinals GM.
Think about what he's done recently.
--Signed Sam Bradford to a 1 year $20 million deal.
--Signed Mike Glennon to a 2-year $8 million deal.
--Completely ignored his OL and almost got both Bradford and Rosen killed.
--Pressured Bruce Arians out of a job.
--Hired Steve Wilkes despite the latter having only one year as a DC.
--Fired Wilkes less than a year later.
--Traded up in the first round for Josh Rosen.
--Hired Kliff Kingsbury, who had a losing record at TT, as his new HC.
--Had an "Extreme DUI" where he blew .19 this summer.
--Is said to want to trade the Rosen and draft Kyler Murray w/the first overall pick.
And the dude still has a job. so when did the browns move to the desert? 
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It's kind of incredible when you look at all of that. And I'm sure I'm missing some of his other brilliant moves. LOL
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Well... the Browns would have just fired everyone. Twice.
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No I get it. Right off you have to look at it that way.
If Murray and or Kingsbury struggles it would hard to not whack Keim.
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I can see him in Washington, Miami, NY Giants, New Orleans, Oakland
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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What did Josh Rosen do in his past life that the Gods would smite him with Jim Mora Jr. as his college coach and Kliff as his NFL head coach?
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I don't want to hijack this thread and I know you made it about Rosen, but I was just thinking about Steve Keim, the Cardinals GM.
Think about what he's done recently.
--Signed Sam Bradford to a 1 year $20 million deal.
--Signed Mike Glennon to a 2-year $8 million deal.
--Completely ignored his OL and almost got both Bradford and Rosen killed.
--Pressured Bruce Arians out of a job.
--Hired Steve Wilkes despite the latter having only one year as a DC.
--Fired Wilkes less than a year later.
--Traded up in the first round for Josh Rosen.
--Hired Kliff Kingsbury, who had a losing record at TT, as his new HC.
--Had an "Extreme DUI" where he blew .19 this summer.
--Is said to want to trade the Rosen and draft Kyler Murray w/the first overall pick.
And the dude still has a job. so when did the browns move to the desert? They only need to bring in sashi and hue and their transformation will be complete.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I see him going to NYG, to sit behind Eli this year, where Eli then retires.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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j/c:
While I was working out earlier, I saw that the Cardinals have not actively shopped Rosen and that teams did inquire about him while at the Combine. I don't think those are the exact words, but something like that.
So, maybe this is all a big smokescreen by the Cards?
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No telling.
But if the Cards are all in on Kingsbury and his offense and Kingsbury believes Murray is the trigger?
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JOSH ROSEN
QB, ARIZONA CARDINALS
CBS' Jason La Canfora predicts Josh Rosen will be traded to the Redskins for a third-round pick.
La Canfora is purely speculating, but he is also convinced Kyler Murray will be the No. 1 overall pick to the Cardinals. As La Canfora points out, there are not many teams beyond the upper reaches of the draft that need a quarterback this offseason. With Nick Foles seemingly heading to the Jaguars, that does indeed leave the Redskins as perhaps the most plausible landing spot.
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SOURCE: Jason La Canfora on Twitter
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I would be willing to bet the Pats would give up a 2nd pick for Rosen. SMH... ineptitude always finds a way to reward good teams.
Blocking those who argue to argue, eliminates the argument.
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If he goes it will be more than a third.
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You know that I am a huge fan of continuity, but if I were a fan of the Cardinals and they moved up in the draft to take Rosen at 10 and then shipped him to another team in they NFC for a freaking 3rd pick, I would be leading the charge to have the GM fired.
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You know that I am a huge fan of continuity, but if I were a fan of the Cardinals and they moved up in the draft to take Rosen at 10 and then shipped him to another team in they NFC for a freaking 3rd pick, I would be leading the charge to have the GM fired. Amen. I honestly cannot understand what they're doing. I still quite like Rosen. His situation was undeniably horrible, and I don't think his rookie performance was in any way unreasonable for a player in such a position. It isn't the way you want to start your career, and the future looks brighter for Mayfield and Darnold, but I couldn't write off Rosen just yet. I'm also not that high on Kyler Murray. Doesn't seem like there is a QB option in this draft that would have me willing to ship off a young talent and hedge my bets.
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Sounds like Keenum to the Redskins. Doubt Rosen heads there now. La Canfora is a bum.
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