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Always with the digs at Baker.

OBJ has hit a lot more than a kicking net ... last year he punched the sideline heater that looked like it could have kept 1/2 of alaska warm ... he once beat the snot out of a Gatorade drink cooler ...

He calls out his coaches and FO in the press ...

I’m against the move ... but if it does happen ... he’s one heck of a football player ... he also missed some of 17 .... he never played after we cheap shotted him .... and the last 3 - 5 games last year ... no one mentions that ...

On the field ... its prolly him or Hop as the #1 ... i’d take Hop but thats a personal opinion ...

Those things pale in comparison to what Baker has done and people have no problems w/him.

Like I said...........perception trumps reality.

No, the opposite.

Baker is tame compared to calling out coaches and players. Ex-coaches are acceptable.

Yall gonna have to suck it up if we get OBJ. Cuz he gonna be DRAMA. With capital D.

I dont want to see any "Odell, the person" threads lol

Cue the personal attack posts yet again.

Speaking factually, not personal attacks.

I don’t recall Bake throwing Dorsey under rhe bus or calling Freddie or GW out in the press or saying a word about the dysfunctional duo when they were here ... or beating up inanimate objects on the sidelines ..... *shrugs* ...

We’ll see what happens ... i’m out ...

He’s actually a good dude ... does a ton for the community and kids ...

You're missing the damn point. OBJ hasn't done anything bad enough to warrant all the negative labels that people are putting on him.

Carry on w/the labels.

I agree with this. I hardly ever see his name on the espn talking head drama shows.

But he will have his diva ways.

And I feel some people will over react to that because he isnt the Pope.

I don't think OBJ's antics are that bad. I'd be more worried about his possible cocaine use.

Yeah, that is the only thing that concerns me. I thought it might be true, but he didn't fail the drug tests, so that is good news.

As good as OBJ is, I think we need Zeitler more. Having an above-average RG is a very good thing.

Bake will get the ball to the guys we already have.

This is where I am. Nothing against OBJ, but not sure About moving Zeitler.

No offense, but only in Cleveland would someone think that Zeitler is more valuable than OBJ. I guarantee that if all the players were suddenly to become free agents, OBJ would be drafted way before Zeitler.

I also think you guys are overvaluing Baker. He has a great shot of being very good, but it's too early to proclaim him as a given.

Tell us we're wrong when the right side of our line is getting caved in because Z isn't there.

Good players: keep them (within reason).

With all due respect............I will ask this again.

If all of the NFL players in the league became available in a draft.................where do you think OBJ would be picked and where do you think Zeitler would be chosen?

It wouldn't even be close, bro.

The size of the gamble of moving Z would depend on how good Corbett actually is I should think.

I think that's just it. People are assuming that Corbett is a bum. He didn't play a lot last year, but he also would have had to beat out two of the best guards in the league to do it.
Dorsey and team thought he was good enough to get drafted before Chubb, so he can't be THAT bad.

We're trading a top Guard for a top WR, so we're keeping a "good" player. We also have a ready made replacement for the Guard position.

I seem to remember one year when you said .. if the Browns did not pick OL in the draft .. you were leaving the board, never to return. I think we drafted a Guard fron Indiana that year and you stuck around.

If Dorsey does this for less than a first rounder... genius.

OBJ has very minor issues compared to the talent he would bring. As long as we can replace traded players without a big drop off in production, pull the trigger.

It could depend on circumstance.

Yeah, OBJ is a better player overall, a difference maker, but is he more valuable to this team, at this time?

LOL.....Your memory might be better than mine. I say a lot of things. None are gospel.

People need to start grasping this. It's going to continue from now on.

There is NO FEASIBLE WAY for us to be extending all of the talent we are accumulating. It's IMPOSSIBLE.

We must make moves yearly and always have someone waiting in the wings. Hence DRAFTING IS HUGE to keep this going.

Just as other long time good teams, we have our Ace in the hole in Mayfield.

By far, the most important player to sustain longevity.

JC

Like most threads that go 2-3 pages, they go from good to a fight.

My opinion on if we get him or not really doesn't matter. If Dorsey wants him is all that matters. I am sure he has and will continue to give the matter much thought, weighing the pro's and con's. I will trust his decision.

BB has always said he has the most trouble scouting WRs. So instead of picking them, he trades for #1 WRs. Cooks, Moss, Gordon. Just because they don't draft them high, doesn't mean they don't value them highly. And if want to model our team like the Patriots then we better draft a head coach who can play 4D chess at an expert level. That's no disrespect to Kitchens, but BB is easily the second greatest coach in NFL history. He might also have a good argument for being the best. At the end of the day, you cannot base models on outliers, because your situation will never be theirs.

I believe you are oversimplifying things. We have the FA signing period, the upcoming draft and Corbett as possible ways to fill a hole that could be left by Zeitler. And for those who think this is a bad idea, how much would it cost to sign or draft an average to above average G, verses a talent like OBJ?

I think that's the key here for me. I'm a huge OL pimp and really like Zeitler. But while having a "stud G" is a wonderful thing, would you rather have an above average G and a #1 WR OBJ or a stud G and an average WR?

The more I think of this situation, the more I am coming around to this exact line of thinking.

And I trust Dorsey. I don't think he would create a hole where none was before without a plan for mitigating the danger.

In all honesty I don't think any of this is happening and don't think we'll ever see OBJ in a Browns uniform. But just for grins I thought I would chime in.

They either have to work out a deal by tonight or on draft day. But if the Giants think they're getting a first rounder for Odell, then they need to get out of his coke stash. At the end of the day the Giants need to decide if they want to tank this year or try to compete with their team. Keeping Eli around is straddling both sides of the fence.

For me, I don't know that this is the exact scenario we're presented with, but I don't feel like we need a #1 WR in the mold of OBJ. A #1 would be great, but not necessary. A great QB can make "average" WR look good and that's all we need. We have a great QB. OBJ might score more of the touchdowns, but I don't think having OBJ here is going to have us scoring that much more than if he was not here.

so... the Browns will have a 6' and some change QB with 2 starting 5'11 WR's with all 3 having egos the size of Ohio.

Seems like something this is something that would happen to the Browns.

Seriously?

Your heads EXPLODED ever since we took Mayfield.

WEAPONS.

Why tonight? I thought FA did not even start til next Wednesday but I may be missing something.

j/c...

Tonight or Draft Day? Why?

FA doesn't start till Sunday for negotiations. Teams know by Sunday and can adjust if they want a Receiver.

Where's TONIGHT COME FROM?