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Edge rusher Olivier Vernon came back strong from injury and was really the team’s sole source of significant pass-rush pressure. He finished the season with a career-high grade of 86.3. In 11 games, he had 22 stops and 46 pressures, eight of them being sacks.



Highest-Graded Defensive player and Breakout Player
Many Giants fans believe that Olivier Vernon struggled somewhat in 2018, but in fact, his PFF grade of 86.3 was the best mark on the team’s defense, and his win percentage of 18.2% tied for ninth in the league among edge rushers. Given he was the team’s lone threat for most of the year, that’s impressive work, and the best season he’s had as a Giant.

per PFF

again, #cfrsDroppingKnowledge

The Giants dismantling their defense so they can keep Odell is exactly why you shouldn't run your organization through the media industry.

Tab. Is that dude any good?

U watch a lot of N.Y., don't u?

Details Please

For Zeitler.

Cost Zietler

Wow I guess Corbett is ready to step up, and I think that is a good trade for both teams ...

Zeitler to NY

Yep, there is a name missing from this headline.

ZEITLER for Vernon

Zeitler for Vernon. Big trade!

Vernon and Garett rushing the passer together (depending on how the Browns play him). Oh my.

Confidence in Corbett must be high.

Go Browns!

I'd rather he be 3 hours late but give a more detailed picture of what actually happened including what we gave up.

Can we just stop allowing tweeters? I'm not smart enough to digest the information and decide for myself what I want to believe or not. Furthermore, I know no other poster is capable of that as well. And finally, since dawgtalkers is the only source of information on the internet, people are going to automatically believe all the tweeters. It's very confusing!

"Roster overhaul continues"

Yeah, this is not ideal.

I like it, providing Corbett can do it

How much Cap we save with Zeitler?

And what's Vernons contract?

Zeitler was $12.4 Mil

His base is $15.25M

Yikes @ Zeitler being included. We couldn't get a pick for him?

We also get a 4th and give a 5th.

Giants LB Olivier Vernon struggling after ankle injury
Nov. 30, 2018

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) — When the New York Giants started playing games in the preseason, it seemed linebacker 0livier Vernon was going to have a monster season in coordinator James Bettcher's new 3-4 defensive scheme.

Every time the ball was snapped Vernon disrupted plays. He stopped runs and got sacks and pressures on opposing quarterbacks.

A couple of days before the preseason finale against New England, Vernon suffered a high sprain to his left ankle, and his season has turned into a major disappointment.

The seven-year veteran missed the first five regular-season games and didn't return to action until a start against the Eagles on Nov. 11. The Giants were 1-4 at that point and things only got worse as New York dropped the next three games heading into its bye.

While Vernon played well against the Eagles, he has not done much statistically this season. He has one sack, 10 tackles and six quarterback hits in six games. Against Tampa Bay on Nov. 18, he was flagged for three penalties in a span of one snap: two neutral zone violations and a roughing the passer.

It's not what is expected of a player making $17 million this season, the second-highest salary on the team.

"You work hard before every season coming up and it's just one little bump in the road, and all I can do right now is just the normal game plan, be out there for my team and make the plays that come to me," Vernon said Friday after the Giants (3-8) practiced for Sunday's game against the NFC North-leading Chicago Bears (8-3).

Vernon insists he is 100 percent healthy, although he said getting back into football shape has taken time. He was able to do some cardio work while hurt, but it took time to get his legs back.

The Giants have missed him in the pass rush. They have 14 sacks this season, second lowest in the league. Vernon's one sack is on pace to be a career low. He had 3 1/2 in his rookie season of 2012 with Miami. In his previous two seasons with the Giants he had 15, including 6 ½ last year despite missing four games with another ankle injury.

"He's just like every player on our team," coach Pat Shurmur said. "Just keep battling, keep playing to make a difference. He can be a disruptive force, we all know that."

Shurmur said Vernon has been making plays. He is just not getting the sacks.

Vernon notes that Sunday will be a test because the Bears are playing well. They are not making mistakes and are forcing turnovers. They even won last week with veteran quarterback Chase Daniel starting for Mitchell Trubisky, who was sidelined with a shoulder injury.

Trubisky was limited at practice this week and is doubtful for Sunday. Daniel is expected to start at MetLife Stadium.

"One thing is you just have to get back there, you have to make him feel the pressure and kind of force them into making errors," Vernon said. "We know he can make plays with his arm, and he can also make plays with his feet as well. They have a lot of fast, skilled guys out there that just can make plays when it's needed."

If Vernon does not start making big plays, the Giants might consider releasing him. He signed a five-year, $85 million contract in 2016 with $52 million guaranteed. He will carry a cap hit of $19.5 million in each of his final two seasons.

"Right now I'm focusing on the Bears and whatever happens, happens," he said. "All I can do is focus on what I have to do."

USA Today

Gotta love those late round picks.

Did we just get our pants pulled down by Gettleman?

Side note, happy birthday Kevin Zeitler!

WHAT!

WHAT!

YOU COST KEVIN ZEITLER! WHAT!!!

Oh no we vacuum again. Thumbsdown!

what the freak dude,

seriously, this team will never learn.

oh well, same old manure , same old offseason, same old results,

take the best guy you can think of on the team,

.. and BAMM!!!! Cut em in the offseason,

every year
every year
every year
every year.

... so Austin Corbetts lame backside will probably get playing time, or start? What a freaking joke.

Whatever! Whatever! (Tell me "I'm" wrong again) people see things from different view points.

You, pause, Can't, pause, Get, pause Rid, pause, OF, pause, Zeitler, !! Whatsamattawityou.

Well, the Browns drafted Corbett just outside the 1st round last year. They had all of last year to work with him. They must feel very good about his ability to step in at RG. I'm still not a huge fan of losing Zeittler, but I suppose you have to give to get.

Vernon is a huge add to our pass rush. I just wonder whether he plays OLB, or slides down to play DE. Probably some of both, I would guess. I am excited to see who we add in the draft, and who we add in other trades/free agency.

If Vernon is playing linebacker, that is not a good thing. He is a pass rusher.

So Now We Have A New Bookend for Garrett and Our #33 Pick Corbett Starting and Now Our Draft Picks Are 1 1st 1 2nd 2 3rds 2 4ths 2 5ths 1 6th and 2 7th's I believe ...

I just hope Corbett is ready, he only played 1 snap last year on the OLine during the season.

I think we have 3 5ths.

A 12m a year guard is certainly not ideal, we did just draft a guard and Ogbah was terrible pass rushing last season. I understand it, but I don’t love it. Zeitler is a monster and we are going to miss him.

With that said, I have been bemoaning how horrible our defense was last year up front.

Sans Collins
Plus Vernon

Immediately better.

Man, THROW LONG, if anybody ever wanted to see hyperventilating in a typed out format . . .

As long as Vernon stays healthy, I think we're going to be fine. Fingers crossed.

Some people will never be happy with anything this team does, we have a new sheriff in our FO people, he knows as much as anyone in this League about players and draft picks, I will stick with his opinion until he shows he is losing it ...

Vernon is Over paid and overrated. He is a 15 million dollar a year version of Ogbah.

Now go get Malik Jackson or Suh.

We just traded 1 of our 5th's for their 4th giving us 2 4th's 1 is a very high 4th, and 2 5th's ...

Unless there's something wrong with Zeitler, I don't know why you mess with the line protecting Mayfield.