DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Higgins/Booty to be tendered

I share the same question...we could have tendered him at the 2nd round tender...it would have only cost 1 more mill, and would force a team to sacrifice their 2nd round pick...

I believe someone will pick up Higgins for a mere 5th round pick...then again he isn't a Dorsey guy, is the only reason I can see him tendering him so low.

We'll be able to match whatever contract he is offered, if he is. This also does not get rid of our leverage in future negotiations. His agent won't be able to point to a higher tender and ask for more money.

good insight CHS, makes sense...Should be interesting and I really hope we retain him!

Finally, something that actually makes sense, that little nugget hadn't crossed my mind at all. Thanks.

Most on this board way overrate him ... If KJ valued or Freddie valued him as much as ya’all do he would have recieved the inexpensive in comparision 2nd round tender ...

Not slamming Higgins ... he’ll be back ... no ones going to offer him a poison pill type contract ... it’ll be very matchable and we’ll match it ... actually maybe not ... just thought of something i’m too tired to share right now ...

Now all we gotta do is hope we don’t rush and aquire everyones love child Williams and we get Perriman back after he fires Drew for blowing smoke up his butt ...

And that’s all there is to that ... *L* ...

I think quite the opposite and most on this board way underrate Higgins. Higgins is the epitome of how it should work... draft, develop, and sign long term. It would be a shame and extremely disappointing if he's not here this year.

I really like Higgins, and feel that he is on his way to being a great receiver.

A lot of people like Jake Burns's stuff, well, here is his breakdown of why the Browns should keep Higgins. (which was posted earlier in the thread, IIRC)

Why the Cleveland Browns should sign Rashard Higgins long-term: Film Room | cleveland.com
https://expo.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2...-film-room.html

We know FoCo has Rashard’s back.

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Maybe we don't place his value in that range? With a 5th round tender he might get some action letting us know his market value. If it works, we sign him, if not, we get another 5th rounder. That would put us back to four 5th rounders.

Think of the move up options. Can we find a better player than Higgins if we can package a 3rd rounder and a couple of 5th rounders to get in to round 2?

The kid isn't even 25 until October and he's only just had his first season in which he got any real opportunity to make a difference on the field - and I'll be damned if he didn't make a fantastic impact.

I sure hope we keep him around. He's sadly underappreciated.

Just letting him find his value.

We'll match it. Within reason.

Smart operations.

I like Higgins and hope we retain him. In fact, he was one of the guys that I listed as a guy we should target later in the draft. I think he started slow, but has really improved the last two years [when he has been healthy.]

The only other thing I will say is it is tough to stomach reading dramatic posts about how awful it will be if we lose him from guys who acted like losing Mack, Schwartz, Gipson, etc were no big deal at all. GMAFB.

Who exactly on this board - or this planet - acted like losing Mack and Schwartz was no big deal? Losing Gipson was a gift at the $$$ he received.

Mack and Schwartz both took less money to leave...and are still studs. It's not like we didn't try to sign them. Gipson was paid like a star (when he wasn't) and after two years in a loaded secondary he played like the UDFA he is...was...now he's cut.

Putting Mack and Schwartz in the same context as Gipson is laughable.

You are living proof that reading comprehension is hard for some.

So deliciously ironic.

U also think VG is OVERPAID ... nuff said about your WR knowledge ...

.... By who exactly?

I’m on an island by myself in saying he’s overrated ... all alone just like i was with doing what it took to trade for Mack last year ...

And even I am THRILLED he’s coming back ... and u somehow do that math and come up with he’s under appreciated ... *L* ...

Ya’all can come up with all the BS u want ... he was tendered with a 5th for reason ... sorry to bring reality to the equation but some one has to do it ...

I said i thought of something Friday night but was too tired to post it ... u hit on 2 of the things i thought of and when u do the math (the correct math, not BDU’s version .. *L* ) here’s what u come up with ...

as u said last year was musical chairs at the WR position ... and it left Higgins with the 2nd best chair BY FAR ... and here’s why ...

- Bake had pretty much ZERO time with any of the other WR’s .. thanks to Josh he saw some of Calloway but not much ...
- Calloway was a rusty ass rookie that FLASHED at times and there ...
- Perriman wasn’t even on the team til week 5 or so ...

Our WR room was DEPLETED and Higgins was the only one with any time with Bake ...

Now ... fast forward to 2019 ...

- Calloway will improve BIGTIME just from the fact he’s going into the season not beingarookie thats not rusty as hell ... and brings way way way more speed to the table than Higgins ...
- Perriman’s more than likely gone ..if sign a speed guy like Williams .... not a huge fan of that but he makes sense if Perriman bolts ...

Where does that leave Higgins and whats his rile gonna be? ...

2 WR sets .. we know VG’s is gonna be out there ... you’d rather align him with one of the speed guys than a taller/less quicker dude who can’t do 1/2 the things VG can or one of the speed guys ...

3 WR sets ... we’ll mix and match all the combos of VG + 2 of the others ...

He’s GOLDEN in 4 WR sets ....

Again ... this is not a slam on Higgins ... we just have a way better version of him all ready ...

His best shot at significant PTis we draft a WR in rnd 2 or 3 to replace Perriman ... then his value goes up for us ...

And as u astutely pointed out ... we signed Jalen Strong and i didnt enter him into the equation ...

I really like Higgins ... just not sure of his fit with us and IMO thats the reason for the original round tender ...

Oh the irony of this comment...

j/c:

Jarvis Landry career:

2014: 84 catches for 758 yards
2015: 110 catches for 1157 yards
2016: 94 catches for 1136 yards
2017: 112 catches for 987 yards
2018: 81 catches for 976 yards

Total: 481 catches for 5014 yards.

Rashard Higgins career:

2016: 6 catches for 77 yards
2017: 27 catches for 312 yards
2018: 39 catches for 572 yards

Total: 72 catches for 961 yards.

The irony is that Landry has caught more passes in each year in the league than Higgins has in his career. He also has more yards in all but one year than Higgins does in his entire career.

You really should stop!

With all of that said, I like Higgins and he is a good complimentary receiver. Probably a 4th WR on most teams. I hope we keep him. Let's just keep it somewhat real.

So...stats aren't for losers?

It's possible to want JL on the team...see that he is important and valuable to the movement...AND simultaneously believe he is overpaid.

I was wrong earlier. It's not a lack of reading comprehension. It's something much more sinister. I'll go back to ignoring your nasty self again. Feel free to get another shot in.

You can dish it out...but you can't take it. It's rather obvious where the lack of reading comprehension lies in this very thread. I directly responded to the words you put on the screen. You responded with an insult...followed up with another insult. Seemingly as if you couldn't comprehend the words that I put on the screen. I figured I'd spell that out for you.

Raw stats are raw stats. How you interpret them is another ballgame and can give you so much more to digest.

Your point was valid. You don't fit in their agenda. They are being very transparent. I mean he "j/c" and then came at me. Pretty obvious. They're the ones who need to stop.

Quit talking out your butt ... Willie and I have ZERO PROBLEMS .... never have as far as i know ... am i wrong Willie? ... i’d be stunned if he was reffering to me in that post even though he used my saying ...

Ya ... its one sided and your an angel ... go like a post calling me a drunk again and then play the victim card ... it fits u well ...

Letting him hit FA, but the class for safety/slot cornerback is extremely strong this year with Lamarcus Joyner leading the class.

I think we will - and should - sign Higgins. I have to believe that BBC would be no worse than the 5th CB we will roster this fall. So...I think it's odd that he wasn't tendered...but I'm not canceling my season tix over it.

Higgins and BBC are the types of players JT talked about and what we've been missing - as much as good starters - over the years.

Please stop your antics. No one here is a fan.

I agree, I questioned it, but now thinking about it - I believe they know they are going to sign him, so its a way to try to keep the salary down. But I don't see them letting him walk.

I can say I have never had an issue with Diam. Actually, he and I have a great relationship. We actually disagree quite often on the board as well. Never have I ever felt our disagreements were disrespectful or mean spirited, we just both felt different about topics.

We typically just say our thoughts, and bid each other ado.

He's a good guy, and would help a stranger if needed and asked. I can vouch for that personally.

Its been awhile since we’ve gone at it ... and with the direction were heading .... it may be a good long time before we do again ...

Thanks for the kind words bro ... right back at ya ...

I guess i was wrong about Willie ... not sure what i did to tweek him ... i usually know ... *L* ... clueless on that one ...

I’m soooooooooo excited tabber .... man ... this is sure fun .... looking forward to things as opposed to wondering how were gonna screw it up sure is a nice change ... its about damm time ...

Yes. I have no issues with Diam's "style." That's why I reached out to him. We had a fun discussion in PM. But im pretty sure everyone is tired of the back and forth and the call outs to other posters. Hopefully he's finished with his crusade as he called it. He wins. I feel no ill-will towards anyone here, not him, not anyone. I enjoy the people here.

No tweeks here Hoss...I pm'd that to you the other day while trying to avoid a thread derail...as if I really care about thread-derailing in the dead season. All good here...even though I think VG is overpaid when looking at stats...not so much when looking at where we were/are and where we want to go and how bad we need a guy like him.

I didn’t get the pm bro ... wonder who u sent it too ... *L* ...

I hope alls well sir ...

All is well and good...and crazy busy...thanks Fortunately my clients are much more understanding of the realities of the tax cuts than are the folks in the Political cesspool /thread. I'd PM this to you rather than de-railing this thread...but the last PM didn't work.

I like that we tendered Higgins.

That should keep him hungry, but he really hasn't done anything to rate a big contract yet. If he has a big year (which is always contingent on health and availability.) I think that the team will try and resign him.

He is not a #1WR, but a team needs 5 or 6 guys there.