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How many of you have been impacted by suicide?

That's really all I have to ask. For the record, I'm fine and safe.

I understand many of you are religious here, but I ask this thread avoid religious overtones or discussion about "do you go to x if you...".

I dont know anyone personally who commited suicide.

But it bothers me A LOT when celebrities I admire commit suicide. And I google all about it. It can stick with me for a long time.

Sometimes I have to deal with teens on my games who claim to be suicidal, for attention, or for real, I don't know. Let me tell you that's a sticky wicket to deal with.

I don't know how to answer this while staying in your lanes.

I'll just say that my best friend had several medical issues that completely changed his life, and he tried committing suicide one night with a box cutter. Fortunately his employer had security cameras, and saw him in time to get help. It, and another experience, have made me look at the physical causes of suicidal urges. I will thank God that in both cases, the persons involved survived.

I'm not gonna stay in any of Rocket's lanes.

Shouldn't the question be: "Is your friend happy he survived?"

And if he is not, are you still happy he survived? That seems selfish. (you get your friend alive, but he's the one who suffers)

Isn't death better than a life of chronic pain with no honest hope of improvement.

We are all gonna die. But, we don't have to live in excruciating pain.

Assisted suicide now!

By the way, since I'm NOT staying in any lanes, do you feel suicide is a one way ticket to hell?

I don't think by a loving God.

I only truly 'knew' 1 person that committed suicide. It was several months ago.

Had a cousin that od'd a few years ago - not suicide, on 1 hand, but maybe, on the other hand it was?


And, talk about weird timing for a thread like this:

Walked in the house last evening, and my wife was on the phone, very somber. She was just finding out that the twin brother of that cousin was found dead in his apartment a few hours earlier. Suicide or od? No obvious signs of suicide, so at this point, take a guess.

He was in his mid 30's.

I've had 2 co-workers commit suicide in the past few years. Completely different types of people, and completely different types of stressors affecting their lives. Neither showed overt signs of needing help, even to their closest friends (I wasn't extremely close to either of them). Given the field we work in, if there is true intent they'll know how to mask the signs. However, it still leaves everyone questioning their own ability (or ignorance) to see that someone needs to be rescued.

A girl I used to hang out with lost her brother to suicide back when we were all in our early 20's. It was heartbreaking.

I've never lost a direct friend or relative to it, it's always been one of those "friend of a friend" type people...

I never try to understand what that person, or their family has gone through, and is going through, and I totally agree people bringing their own agendas into the topic is selfish and disrespectful.

I think the only thing we can do is look out for each other, and sometimes that isn't enough, because people are very good at hiding what's really going on inside.

A kid at my church committed suicide a few years ago. Junior in high school. We worked the audio/visiual stuff at our church. Every Sunday he would talk about his week. He was swimmer, in advanced english and math classes. Never showed a hint of trouble, depression, being unhappy or in any kind of pain.

There was a guy who fell off/jumped off the flight deck of the aircraft carrier I was on in '06. Supposedly, he wrapped himself in tie-down chains and walked right off, but the ship was always full of rumors. There was no note that I ever heard of, so I imagine that not knowing whether it was suicide or an accident would be especially rough on those that knew him.

One comes to mind that ruined one of my close friends, his cousin was his best friend. We were fresh out of high school, cousin was a couple years older. Always happy, very stable, black belt in jiu jitsu, started a family early with a beautiful wife and daughter, becoming a great father and family man.

Came home one day to discover his wife wanted to leave him. She told him of an affair that had been going on for a few years... which led to her revealing that his daughter wasn't actually his.

Got in his car, drove to the I-480 bridge and jumped. Very haunting to anyone who knew him to this day. I always wonder if there is just some "switch" in the brain, that for some people, once it is tripped - cannot be turned back.

My Ex father-in-law took his own life, shot himself, when dealing with his wife's illness became too much. They were in their late 80's.

One of my grandsons' best friends, a twin, committed suicide in high school, in the high school bathroom. Ruined his twin brother and their mother.

I can't imagine the pain someone must experience that causes them to take their own life. I've only experienced and seen the pain and ripples caused by the act. The pain is devastating and deep, and the reach is far and wide. I've never heard anyone say, "I understand why they did that," though in cases of extreme illness or pain, I think I could understand.

An "immediate" family member of ours has tried twice. Both times my wife and I found her, unconscious. Once in 2012 and the last time this past Dec 20, 18.

Been a struggle man. A real struggle. Goin thru the aftermath now. Just like after the 1st time, after her recent release from the hospital, classes 4hrs 4 times a week at University Hospitals clinic off Emery I believe. Just know how to get there, pick her up, etc.

She wouldn't be alive if my wife wasn't an RN, having been on a "Code Team" + her vast history in nursing, etc.

Ironically, my wife and her sister are down at the beach south of Myrtle now. My wife called yesterday and told me to hide these pills and those pills as "so and so" is not doing well followed by an "I don't know what I'm gonna do".

The struggle is real here my man. It's Really Real.

Don't think anyone would just make a post on this topic just for "shoots and giggles" so.......hope all is well for you.

Hide those pills man, hide those pills. If you are responsible for doling them out, make sure they are hidden and locked up. And count them, daily.

since getting out, 5 people i served with have died.

4 from suicide. that doesn't count the people who i know of but wasn't close to. it will be a higher number. its got to the point where i sometimes wonder if im next. no, im not a risk. im just stating the high rates we go through really shakes my soul.

It's heart breaking dude. You saw and did things that humans shouldn't be forced to see or do. Thank you for your sacrifices and providing the blanket we all take for granted.

thanks bro

When I was 19 I was a band, and we got a bass player whom I had known in high school but didn't know well.

He wrote poetry and had some very good lyrics - even 30 years later, some of them stand the test of time for me. One night, he and I worked on some tunes and had a few beers. He seemed as normal as always.

The next afternoon, he shot himself. Jeff was his name.

The guys in the band didn't know why, but years later it came out that his family had a history of mental illness. I think he suffered from depression, maybe bi-polar but I'm just speculating.

It was devastating to his friends and family of course. Some of the details from that time are still vivid for me.

There are times I feel like I just dont want to do this anymore and would be better off gone, but have never seriously considered it and I also know I am too scared to actually do it .

What! you really wanna go there. emmmm.

Had a couple friends go out by suicide both older . One a woman was in her mid 50s with medical issues and shot herself the other a healthy man mid 40s who decided to drink himself to death . He wasnt an alcoholic but literally chose to drink himself to death ala Nick Cage although not nearly as entertaining . Between the two the bullet would be my choice . What amazes me to this day is how dedicated Denny was to his choice and how brutally painful it must have been for him and how everybody distanced themselves . He died alone and in agony ...crazy

Why not ? I agree that we should have assisted suicide . We put our pets down because their pain is too much to handle and the hope for getting better is nonexistent . May not be a choice for all but having seen up close and personal how long and hard the body will struggle in vain to stay alive.... Id rather leave on my terms and slide into whats next on a magic carpet of medically induced ease.

I've know more than a few people that have gone out this way.

A few coworkers, one a CEO, a couple of friends, one family member whose death was questionably suicide or a serious drunk accident.

It's always shocking, for a brief time.

Every one dies. And time is very fleeting.

Just a couple years ago the last person born in the 1800s died. (born 1899 of course)

I recently saw a group picture of my church from 1917. Maybe 100 parishioners standing out front on a beautiful spring day.

Many children. Everybody is gone. Kids too.

I'm having a good time but I envy the dead.




Church group picture - October 2018.

I haven't had anyone directly close to me; just some acquaintances

Suicide's number one cause is hormonal imbalances caused by extreme stress, emotional trauma, and loss of purpose in life. It's actually a lot easier to happen than you might think. If you enjoy being drunk or getting high your 1000 times more likely to being exposed to an episode of manic depression while falling from the high. During that fall the damage can easily become permanent.

The number one reason people commit suicide is they ask the following question: If I wake up tomorrow will it make any real difference and even if it does make a difference is it worth the effort of making that difference?

When the answer is "No." they look for someone to blame. If they blame themselves then they start thinking suicide. If they blame others they tend to be sociopaths who gradually grow more violent towards others as they develop excuses and reasons to justify their hatred.

The best way to fight suicidal depression? Give that person a meaningful purpose in life and keep them too busy to dwell on the answer to that question.

Financial wealth doesn't seem to play a big role except for the extremely poor. Wealthy are bored and no purpose while the poor are too busy surviving to dwell on it much.

Purpose in life is the key to happiness and staying away from mind altering substances is a key way to protect why you have a purpose in life.

Chronic depression plays a big part, I believe. Not in all cases, obviously.

Razor above:



That’s it.

Take for instance Dr.BJ Miller.

He had his left arm and both feet “blown off” during a college prank. (got electrocuted climbing up a commuter train during Thanksgiving break)

Here’s a guy - one arm, no feet. Good reason to not live.

He went on to become a MD who specializes in hospice care (terminally ill patients).

If I was dying soon, I’d find comfort in meeting with him myself.

Not me, but I got help for serious depression before it got worse.

I taught. I lost one of mine and it scarred me. I will say that before I retired, I had 18 young adults approach me about suicide, actually in the talking mode. "Only" lost one.

Every one of them shook me. Every one of them was absent the next day,

You may be the only one a possible suicide speaks to. Honor the threat.

Hard topic for me.

True. Depression can be caused due to situations one is dealing with or it can be due to a chemical imbalance. The thing is that situational problems can lead to permanent chemical imbalance issues because blood cells learn behaviors related to chemical imbalances that lead to the body thinking an imbalance in the natural state of mind.

It's very hard to break the chemical changes depression brings once it starts and certain diseases like diabetes for example can take a bad day and combine it with low blood sugar to make a normal person suddenly manic depressed.

For someone in chemcial depression just telling them to pick themselves up and brush it off can really make things a lot worse because then they will add guilt and feelings of being a failure to their list of problems making them depressed.

Best thing to do when you have someone who is depressed is to bug them, keep them busy ALL THE TIME, don't leave them alone for long, and deal with the situation that is depressing them if possible. Once the situation is dealt with it takes at least 3-5 months to start breaking the cycle of depression if they can avoid a relapse.

I feel you on that one mate. It's very rough.

Just, thanks. Time hasn't healed all the wounds for me just yet. But thanks for willingness to share.

my son tried it a couple of years ago. Thank God he didn't succeed thanks to a couple of friends who alertly called 911.

Glad to hear he failed. I hope he has sought out help from a doctor, mentor, or someone who can be there for him like a pastor or something. It's important for him to have a talking relationship with someone he feels safe to vent his problems with who won't judge him for his feelings.

You don't have to be perfect or better than someone to help them through depression. You just have to spend time with them and let them vent a bit. Then perhaps point out something good they can focus their time and effort on.

Sometimes we also have to just acknowledge that they might have a darn good reason to be depressed and that maybe at this moment their life really sucks bad. It's important to acknowledge that and be honest with it but then once you do to focus their attention towards a new purpose. It might be as simple as saying, "Well I'm still here for you buddy and right now we are gonna get us some good food and enjoy today for a little bit. We can worry about tomorrow when it gets here but for now I see a steak and pie with your name on it!"

A day at a time, learning to enjoy the moment again, and finding a reason to look forward to another day is the best medicine a freind can give.

Just curious. What was the point of this thread?

My own reasoning with my experiences? I'm not going to share in public like this.

The bigger idea? Provide a space for healing.

Pretty much the point of every thread.

To converse/interact with other Browns fans within the rules of the site.

I’d like to see a thread simply on “Death”.

I just realized this morning that I’ll only be 104 years-old in 2060

I could make it.

I don’t get the joke?

Someone came up and said, you remember that person over there, commited suicide the past weekend,

don't know for sure who they were talking about but may be getting an idea.

Trying to remember them but with maybe 3 or 400 people around, some people you don't meet.

Either way, I think, this kind of person, wasn't a problem, I don't understand it, but, I still think I undersand them more than well adjusted successful people do.

Bro?

Then today, somebody could pull up a picture of the person who commited suicde on their phone, and when I thought I had an idea of who it was, now I'm not even sure it's the person I was thinking of. Either way, I don't know the details, just that someone doesn't work around here anymore, many don't work there anymore, but one of them, apparently, did themselves in over last weekend. And the story is they were let go weeks before, I don't know, the source has a history of telling gossip, and nobody said anything officially. 3 or 4 hundred people come and go, and there's turnover.