DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus What recent 16 yos think of Pelosi's idea of lowering voting age

Some of these are pretty funny. Brings back memories of being stupid.

https://news.grabien.com/story-young-americans-hilariously-explain-why-lowering-voting-age

odd cause 18 year olds are just as dumb.

honestly the different age requirements depending on the situation is beyond stupid. like your article, for example.

Something tells me you did little more than read the headline and write a reply in 3 minutes.

Oh I read the article.

Still dumb. Like the age requirements.

Lol. I like this one: "At 16 me and my friends put one of our friends in a hot tub with his permission, tied him up and shot him with a bb gun while he was drenched in hot water"

Heeee, and then we went out and voted!

I remember one of my kids and him dumb friends talking about free health care.

Were they 3 at the time?

16.

If doing stupid crap is a disqualifier, all Trump supporters should be permanently banned from voting!

Seriously though I'm torn on this one. I think if a 16 year old can be trusted to use a gun, they should be trusted to vote. I was 16 once and pretty damn responsible acting. I had a job, car, license, and contributed to the family home/business. Hell I started working much much younger than 16. Back then that was not a bad thing.

BUT I also did a lot of stupid crap and didn't really know the first thing about the world outside my small life or understand the significance of government and voting. My vote would have just been highly influenced by the adults in my life, had I had one. I don't think I should have been trusted to vote then.

However, when you think about it, that last paragraph describes the majority of American voters; too stupid and or uninformed to vote responsibly. I'm not targeting one side with that either, it's a blanket statement.

I remember a presidential candidate making hush money payments, talking about how he can and should just sexually assault women, and then proceeded to brag about storming into a room to look at naked underage models because he owned the pageant.

I also remember an individual being disproven about Muslim no-go zones on the regular through verifiable sources, and the best thing that person could do was post dodgy YouTube videos. This person also subscribes to doctored and misleading videos from James O’Keefe.

We should bar these individuals from voting, too.

So are many 21 year olds, and 30 year olds, and 50 year olds, and 70 year olds. Some folks just never wise up.

I think most all of us are dumb poorly informed, when it comes to voting options, and a big part of that blame is the lack of "truth in advertising" in political ads.

It's all hate filled propaganda that does nothing but make finding the truth on issues more difficult.

I am dreading the next year and a half of the 2020 Presidential election. the whole process has become a dog and pony show, and seldom deals with the issues or the candidates true positions on them.

Maybe because they see the rest of the world can do it and wonder why their parents are too stupid to think we should do it here?

It's still not free in other parts of the world, they pay for it in taxes, and their governments help control the costs, which is something our government fails to do. Can't have national healthcare until we get the skyrocking costs under control.

While I agree, national healthcare and getting costs under control go hand in hand. You can't have something that is considered a part of the free market system when your government is regulating an entire industry.

When you restrict drug costs and limit procedure prices you've pretty much taken over the healthcare industry except for allowing insurance companies to make billions of dollars and still force people into bankruptcy just because they become seriously ill. Which seems like a terrible thing to leave in place if you're fixing the other main problems.

yes, I should have used "Without getting skyrocking costs under control" rather than "until"

Why are the age requirements dumb? I get that they are sort of arbitrary and that you don't suddenly gain some valuable wisdom during the night when you go from 17 and 364 days old to 18... but you have to draw the line somewhere, right?

The only other option is some kind of national competency test.. but that would be ridiculously expensive, impossible to administer, and if we did that, some people would NEVER get to vote.

I can think of at least a half-dozen on this board who'd have to relinquish their right...

I think the citizenship test would work. If they can't pass it we can send them across the border and Mexico will pay for it!

because there's simply no consistency to it.

You can get a job, pay taxes, and legally drive at 16. but somehow, you aren't old enough to go to a rated R movie by yourself. you can join the army at 18 by yourself, smoke, vote, and be fully charged as an adult in the criminal justice system. but yet you're somehow not old enough to drink. you're old enough to buy a firearm at 18, but you can't smoke weed until you're 21.

the requirements have almost no rhyme or reason to them whatsoever. and i think a good constitutional lawyer can argue that any american who works and pay taxes should be legally allowed to vote. so you're old enough to pay the government, but not old enough to vote on politicians based on how you feel the tax money should be spent.

if you're not old enough to drink until 21, then that easily implies that you are ALSO not old enough to decide on your own if should serve in the military or not. or drive. or buy a firearm.

when is an adult an adult? 16, 18, 21? hell, it was 25 for a while to RENT a car on your own. 25?

I feel ya... like I said, it all seems quite arbitrary.

On one hand, I guess I can see some logic in easing kinds into adulthood and giving them this in steps rather than all on the same day.. but it still doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I think the biggest discrepancy is telling an 18 year old that they are old enough to handle a fully automatic weapon, fight and die for their country but can't buy a beer.

A 16 year old has to be taught how to drive.
An 18 year old has to be trained how to handle an automatic weapon and fight in battle
A 16 year old seeing an R rated movie needs an adult present to answer any questions do to his lack of life experience.

These things don't come on us naturally because the clock has ticked.

Therefore limits are set to cover most kids at those ages.

AMEN If somebody is old enough to serve our country then they sure as hell should be old enough to drink, smoke, have sex, and vote. If somebody disagree's then stand toe to toe with me on this one. I won't lose.

I don't know about you, but I don't want a drunk 18 year old with a full auto weapon in his hand.

So you didn't like yourself back in the day?

Hey, I didn't have my first drink until I was like, 18 and a 1/2.

Truth be told, I didn't start drinking, except an occasional drink at dinner, until I was 40. Then I married my wife and damn, I needed a drink.

Expand the voting age till 25 years old.

Heck, I don't think people should be able to vote until that are 30 and have paid taxes.


Leave it to a idiot to want to allow idiots to vote. People living with their parents shouldn't be allowed to vote



Come on people, be real....16? I am willing to concede some of my pervious points. 21 is a good age. 18? I don't buy it. They haven't paid much in taxes at that point.

This is my weapon, this is my gun...

Long line of recent trends that scream "We don't like the rules, let's change them so they benefit us."


It also tells you something, they know that they own academia. They wouldn't even say this stuff if they didn't.

Of course academia is liberal. The very act of devoting your time to help others improve themselves with an education is liberal. Not that a teacher can't be conservative, but the act of education is Liberal:



https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&...=define+liberal

Then don't say they're old enough to die for a country when they can't even vote in it.

I wonder how many people were saying that bout slavery? Civil rights? A woman's right to vote?

Why do we even screw with this crap?

18 your an adult, you can vote, buy cigarettes.

Should be able to buy alcohol, but I also understand the maturity thing for waiting until 21. Not that I think it helps much. Maybe add an exemption for military ID and still being 18.

I think the biggest thing to help with drunk driving, is ride sharing apps. Simple and inexpensive. I'm sorry but taxis are a PITA, you have to call ahead, and where I live it could be 30-60 minutes for them to arrive and fair are much higher.

Taxi to the airport from my house is 38.00 + tip, Uber is $22.

Comparing slavery and suffragettes to changing the voting laws seems like a gigantic stretch. That is exactly my problem with it, the dems want you to believe that this is a slavery level injustice that they lost an election.

Actually I'm not for changing the voting age. What I'm against is changing the voting age. Just read above at some of those on the other side of the debate. One poster suggested raising the voting age to 25. Another said 30.

You surely can't claim a person you deem old enough and mature enough to fight and die for your nation isn't old enough to vote. That's just asinine.

And while I don't disagree with you about changing the voting age, there is a process to follow in order to change laws whether we like those changes or not. And in using your stated logic we could extrapolate that out into almost any subject.

I’m with ya, my only point in my original post was that this is a full on partisan talking point. They know that lowering the voting age would drastically turn the votes toward their favor and it has nothing to do with anything else. Children voting when all they have ever known comes from a majority liberal institution.

To the point of increasing the age, if they can fight in wars, they have the right to vote.

Why even bother voting. We should just come up with a set of challenges that demonstrate good leadership skills and let the candidates compete in games like a leadership olympics every two years. Living in a cave praying to invisible beings can not be one of those challenges.