DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus The Pyramid of White Supremacy

Let me get this straight....so, in order to answer your original question, we must first accept the undeniable fact that we are a white supremist nation, and only address racism committed my whites?

It's sad that that is all you come away from my post with.

I'll probably keep this up anyway ( ) because I can't help but think the world would be a better place if we could get past the groupthink/tribalism/us-them rut.

Hate the act, not anyone you think could fit in a group based upon incomplete information.

Don't worry about what group they may or may not be a part of, and look at the individual's actions, not their exterior.

Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

The purpose of the pyramid is to show white supremacy is much more than just people running around wearing bedsheets, and then going to the middle of the woods to burn crosses.

This thread is a prime example to show that people want to believe racism is defeated, struggle with reconciling parts of society that contribute to institutional racism, and that a large swath of the initial founding and structures to society comes from horribly misguided white supremacist actions.

Seems to me this thread is all about another angle for a racist attack on white people by those who wish to blame all their own failings on that group.

Keep on lighting the flames. When did you start lighting gas lamps?

So, the answer is yes?

The white guilt is strong in this one, Obi-Fan.

Yet you offer no evidence of how large or how small this group of like thinkers actually are. Emboldening them certainly won't make their numbers smaller.



Unless you're over 80 years old you can't cut that crap out right now.



I'm not really interested in the entire pyramid idea. I think both sides could take measures to make race relations better.

But let's just look at what happened in New Zealand. World leaders from all over have stepped forward and called this a terrorist act. A religion other than Christians or Jews was attacked in a blatant act of terrorism. Yet Trump refuses to call it that.

If you can't see how those who would carry out such terrible acts of violence on immigrants or other religions see that, you can't be helped.

It's because you refuse to see common sense when it stares you in the face. You'll be waiting till hell freezes over before you would ever be able to do any basic math on a subject like this.

You fear actual debate so all you can do is post BS. You make this forum weaker with every touch of your keyboard.

So, I've been pondering this a bit. And a thought that has come up.

The old saying, "Don't judge a book by its cover." It's good advice. But, It's really hard to follow all the time. We live in a fast-paced era of snap judgments. Twitter hot takes are the norm. Patience is in short supply any more (unless you're a Browns fan waiting on winning seasons,but I digress.) We subconsciously try to fit people into boxes/groups we've created (or been conditioned to see) as short cuts to help get through the day. The boxes don't always fit, though, and we rarely take the time (have the patience) to really let a person's actions define them. It's also hard to over-write the initial impression that was based upon the group a person was placed in based on a snap judgment. Confirmation bias will put more weight on things that could support that initial ID and cognitive dissonance will minimize things that go against the initial impression.

You look in the mirror in the morning. What do you see? I'm a white/black/hispanic/whatever man/woman. You put yourself in that group with whatever connotation that has for you. People often let that define them. It's easy to do without even thinking about it.

Being able to put things in groups quickly is useful in many situations. However, when it comes to people it comes with many harmful side effects. I'm not sure what can be done about it. Awareness is probably a good first step.

E pluribus unum, Latin for "Out of many, one", is the motto of the United States of America.

Considering our leaky borders, maybe we should change that motto to E pluribus magis.

All are welcomed, we just ask that you be here legally.

We are a melting pot of people from around the world and it is obvious America will be a White/Hispanic Majority in the near future, which I think will be good for America's future.

Both are hard working, family oriented, religious groups and make a nice mesh. Hispanics have lead the way for years now in establishing small businesses in the US.

Yes, let's make it damned near impossible for people to come here legally and tell them they must come here legally. It's why saying, "A wall will solve the problem!" is so misleading. We need a total reform of immigration law and standards.

Putting a band aid on a bullet wound isn't going to solve the problem.

You are a moderate with 50 more years of history and progress to reflect on than the moderates he would have been talking about back then...

A moderate 50 years ago was somewhere in the range of, stop blasting the negros with fire hoses, it's ok if our kids go to school together as long as they don't date each other, we can work together as long as the white guy is the employer and the negro is the employee, and it's ok if the neighborhoods we live in aren't TOO far apart but they will be different neighborhoods..... we passively support your call for progress but aren't willing to risk our own standing in the community by getting out there to help you fight for it...

Yet I'm not one who wishes to set myself apart by using terms like African American or Hispanic American. I don't put another nation or location ahead of American. I guess I could go with I'm a Sottish, Irish, Native American, but I don't.

I think we can all do a better job of trying to unite as a nation rather than try to accentuate why we are not one as a nation and a people.

I agree with your point about my perspective being skewed based on the time in which I live.

Sottish? Isn't that a form of Squid?

Hmmmmmmmm

We're used to it. Being mostly Scotch Irish the Irish ddn't want us and the Scott's didn't want us. That's why we're here. The difference in all of that is that if you wanted us here I would be worried.

Oh! Scottish!

Got it.

TBH, if you are first or maybe second generation in this country, I can see you clinging to some of your old heritage and wanting to acknowledge it... but after that, it's time to move on. You are American.

What's this supposed to mean. I'm not all in or his enemy.

Rocket you are literally on this pyramid.

White Savior complex. lol

I don't think so at all. Just because Rocket takes a stand on these issues does not make it him being motivated for self serving reasons. But I think your post might have been self serving for purposes of deflection. Just saying.

Maybe you should learn the meaning behind the terms, else you are showing up to a battle of the wits with empty chambers in your weapon. Again, just saying.

Imagine that, the very first post of yours calling me a racist. Then calling me stupid. You're a quality poster for the alt left trolls on this board.


Battle of wits wits who, you? Nah I can formulate my own opinions and not parrot all the alt left, everyone is a bigot but me narrative. Being someones dog doesn't make you enlightened.

I never called you a racist or stupid. If you feel that impulsively, it's not on me. You are one of those guys that plays the middle against both ends. I know who you are. Your agenda is to shake the cage and see who you can rattle. <- Now that was me calling you what I think you are. And you are also acting a little like a snowflake, FYI this is not a safespace.

And THANKS for calling me a quality poster. And calling me a troll and a dog is hilarious! You upped your game. In one post you made a huge assumption and lambasted me for telling you to learn the terms before you accuse somebody of being something. Priceless.

Please you can play that game all you want. I am not mincing words with you, if you want to try and insinuate I'm a racist and that I lack wits I'm just going to ignore you and move on. I've grown weary of your garbage posting on this forum.

Well move along then. I promise you won't hurt my feelings. lol

But I seriously did not insinuate those things, you interpreted those things. Now I'm curious as to rather you will except that or not. There is no mincing or twisting going on here. Just you having an issue where there was none.

Too bad you have no clue that my master's project calls for a much larger Alaska Native voice in education.

Nice try, BpG. You struckout.

Nah, I think I hit the nail directly on its head.

j/c

From my perspective it's much more difficult for people to see and understand racism when it's not something they have to deal with on a consistent basis.

I don't feel that everyone who doesn't see it, recognize it or doesn't think it's a huge problem is a racist. They simply have trouble seeing it and understanding it because it's something they haven't had to deal with.

Let me give you an example........

Jews were just slaughtered in a Synagogue in Pittsburgh not so long ago. Fifty Muslims were just slaughtered in New Zealand.

Yet some of those that don't have to deal with these things on a personal level still insist that racism isn't a big problem.

At the same time they feel Christians are under attack in America because people say Happy Holidays. They claim they are under attack because people don't wish to give them permission to discriminate against their fellow Americans.

They really have no idea what being under attack really means. Unless of course you were a black Christian killed in a black church in Charleston by a racist named Dyllan Roof.

Yeah, racism and white extremism isn't a huge problem.

I agree 100% with this. I was one of those people who did racist crap without knowing it was racist when I was young. My hometown was roughly 10% black growing up. I had more black friends than most of the other white kids but that didn't stop me from doing stupid crap.

Most of my black friends were as close as siblings to me when we got together to play or hang out. One friend used to let me (others too) rub his head because we were fascinated by his hair. Using the 'N' word was second nature and being call honky or white boy was no big deal. Jokes about watermelon and fried chicken, or our tans, or hiding in the dark... It was all racist as hell! We or at least I didn't even know until I was a young adult because my black friends never said anything to me if it ever bothered them. I had no idea how bad it really was.

But even today, those same black friends treat me like a brother, we don't always see each other as often as we'd like but even if years pass between meetings, the feelings have never changed. Sadly though I've lost a couple to cop related shootings and seen many other ways that they have been treated as less than me or white people over the years. This awakening has in part brought me to where I'm at now.

I'd argue that racism is a bigger problem than you let on (you seem to only be looking in one direction), and white extremism (while assuredly a big problem) is rather sensationalized.

The belief that people not of a certain race can't understand racism is, itself, racist.

I'm really not trying to minimize the impact/effects of racism by white racists because it is real, but it is not a problem in isolation. Extreme acts and terrorist plots are terrible whoever commits them.

The whole "all you white people don't understand" argument only highlights their "other group-ness" and reinforces the divide.

...Honestly, I'm not sure why I bother on here. No one seems to want to find common ground. Sides slinging mud back and forth seem to be the purview of this forum.

We're all one race really. As long as we continue to look at things in terms of us and they, though, it'll be hard to achieve real equality while insisting on inherent differences. "You're not one of us" is the bane of progress in "race" relations. Pointing out the differences wouldn't seem to be a step in the right direction if the goal is to be treated the same.

and yet thats pretty much what you did. congrats. i wasn't gonna bother responding to your last post toward me because it clearly seems we won't be seeing eye to eye on this issue, but i can't let this particular post go untouched.




if we're talking globally, then yes. if we're talking just America, then please stop playing games.



wrong.

rac·ism
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noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

i see i have to post the definition of racism for the thousandth time on this board. the point is that the majority doesn't have to deal with racism anywhere near what the minority has to. thats a fact. simply implying that some whites don't understand racism isn't racist, as their is NO intention of superiority behind that statement, and doesn't lump the entire race/ethnicity into one.




you basically just went "all lives matter". good job.



says the guy who just minimized the effects and current rise of white nationalism/supremacy. interesting comment for sure.




i really dislike comments like this, because the whole "we're all one people" seems to be the common notion.....right up until something happens.

"we're all one race! we're all american! i don't see color"

*crime rates in chicago slightly increase*

"thats black peoples problem and has nothing to do with me!"

yea, we're all one race....until all of a sudden, we aren't.

So, mud slinging and ad hominem attacks. No attempts to find common ground. Why am I not surprised? Do you not see the irony here? What is your goal?

re:the definition of racism- I'm not sure what you think you are proving by constantly citing it. You don't need to be a majority to feel superiority.

The unspoken thought that "that white guy is clueless when it comes to racism" could be coming from a sense of superiority. I know it and he doesn't. What is that thought being based on? How do you know the range of another person's experience? You might not be doing it, but I'm guessing it wouldn't overly surprise you if you heard someone say it.

You're final argument kind of sums up the problem. You don't want racism, but you have a problem with everyone being one race. Ain't that the rub?

The first goal, as it should be for any true American, is to rid ourselves of the Criminal-in-Chief. Then most libs will be more than happy to move to the middle when the right does... There's common ground.

You see bro, the left has moved right so many times since the 80's that we have basically been Reaganites for the last two decades. But the tea party, the racist party of no during Obama's presidency, and then Trump and shoving those SCOTUS justices down our throats was a bridge too far.

So the right is going to have to find its way back to true middle or this is just where we will be. You can thank the tea party, Trump, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, and Nunes types for that. The common ground is way to the left.

The problem with getting rid of Trump is that it would make Pence President. I'm on board with getting rid of him. Not so sure I'd agree with who you chose to replace him.

The common ground I was thinking was more basic human decency than politics.

I suppose this is a political forum, so decency is sadly unexpected.

The two party system faces strikingly similar problems to racism. (is it sad I thought I'd typo'd faces as feces only to do a double take and find out I hadn't? It does kind of sum up my thoughts on most of politics)

I doubt the dems will impeach Trump at this point unless he is reelected. Then they will try.

this post falls under the minimisation block.

...What exactly is being minimized here?

I didn't say anything about something not being a problem or less of a problem in the entire post.

How does pointing out other factors that contribute to an admitted problem equate to minimizing?

If anything, I'd say you are the one trying to minimize/ignore issues. I freely admit that there are big issues. I'm just unwilling to only castigate one side.

White Supremism exists and is horrible. How many times do I have to belabor the obvious?

Other groups can and do minimize and ignore problems, too. Willful ignorance isn't a good look on anyone.