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The comments on Twitter are HILARIOUS. Especially against MKC.

Heck, just list your numbers here and we can get you all the useless spam you could want for free, folks.

What I love on those is that you'll get their opinions. However, anyone with an operating brain knows that the Plain Dealer isn't going to allow the paper to be scooped on any real news ..... so this will just be "talk", and not anything groundbreaking. I mean, they wouldn't announce the OBJ trade on their new text app ..... because they would never be taken seriously as a newspaper.

hahahaha

Oh man, the comments are brutal.


"What's next buy the underwear she wore to the press conference?"

"How about every time you retweet breaking news from Rapoport or Schefter you pay me?"

"Lol. I get news before you do."

"Who is the insider?"

that's what they are saying... pay 8.50 a month and get breaking news and opinions.

they have gone done lost their minds.

I doubt this was the idea of the reporters.

IMO we are witnessing the end of print media. They are casting their nets for new revenue streams because their consumer base is shrinking. I can remember having two daily newspapers in Cleveland, and now the Plain Dealer only delivers 4 days a week. It makes me kind of sad because that newspaper in the driveway used to be my main conduit for information. That Sunday sports section with a pot of coffee was one of my favorite things, and its going away pretty soon, I think.

I like most newspapers, they are about dead. Sad, the PD was a darn good paper in the day. So rather than being able to give their reporters raises, it now allows them to sell access for personal gain.

Times change. The last really good newspaper is the Wall Street Journal. It's still pretty solid, though obviously heavily slanted towards business and political news.

Agreed. I used to subscribe to 2 papers, and I bought USA Today.

When USA upped the price, I quit getting it.

When the Toledo Blade - 7 days a week - didn't get here but only maybe 4 days a week, I cancelled that.

The Defiance Crescent is the only paper I get now. It WAS 6 days a week, but they cut it down to 5 days a week. Price didn't change though.

Everything is going on line - but you have to pay.


(interesting story about the Blade: I called to complain about paying for 7 day a week delivery, but only getting the paper about 4 days a week. The distribution manager finally called me back. He was apologetic. Gave me the delivery person's number. I said I didn't need her number, I need to cancel my subscription since she doesn't deliver it. I got a phone call that night from the delivery person, politely explaining that she couldn't find my address to deliver the paper. I said WHAT? You find my address 4 days a week. We don't move on the 3 days a week we don't get the paper! I'm going to call the Blade back and tell them what you said. And then, in the nastiest tone: Don't you dare call the paper. I know where you live." Then deliver the damn paper!!!

Had something similar happen with me with Dayton Daily News. Used to get it 7 days a week but all of the sudden last fall it was only showing up sporadically and I would call the paper to complain and they said they would extend my subscription and that they were having difficulty finding delivery drivers in my area (Shelby County) but assured me that they had it taken care of. Problem was fixed for about 10 days then it started showing up sporadically, again called and complained and again was told that they thought they had the problem taken care of, this lasted till the beginning of February when I canceled my subscription. Today I got a call from a neighbor who said he got a letter in the mail from them stating that they would no longer be delivering the paper to our area and that if he wanted to continue to receive it he would have to do an online subscription.

Dave, I used to read each and every box score for all three major sports. I would see what each hitter did each day, how long the pitchers lasted, the SO to Walk ratio, the number of errors, etc, etc...

Loved consuming myself in the newspaper as a kid and teen. I absolutely loved the Sporting News. My goodness, there was so much information in there. I love stats and finding the relevant ones and the ones that don't matter so much.

I also miss the truly good writers. Guys like Mitch Albom, Michael Wilbaun, Lupica, Dave Anderson, Frank Deford, etc.

Today, it's all about putting the info out first, repeating what others have said, and clicks. The writing is terrible. I hate being a snob, but man, professional writers should exhibit proper grammar and syntax.

I absolutely love getting information quickly and being able to research a multitude of topics instantly, but I am nostalgic about the days of the old-school sport's newsprint.

Newspapers have been struggling for years. Only people over 50 buy them now - for the most part.

Everybody gets their stuff for free, but why should it be free? Somebody has to pay the people who get the info and put it together in, hopefully, a manner that is accurate and fair.

I read the Plain Dealer online for Browns news, I read other sites, so I'm guilty of getting free stuff, too. They have to figure out a way to make money from advertising on their websites, but there are so many avenues to get the news, the content, that readers want.

I wouldn't pay $8.50 a month to have MKC send me anything, but I understand that they are trying to make money in a shrinking market.

The dust will settle eventually and a middle ground will be established - whatever that might look like.

If media outlets aren't making money, sooner or later they'll stop providing content.

I have an old photo of Bernie I cut out of the PD from the 80s.

The PD is part of my childhood.

Everything is online now.

they make money on the ads on their website. In fact they probably make millions a year just on their ads.

it's just really funny because they post it on twitter and say... I know you are coming on Twitter to get Browns news here first... but get it in a text message after I read it on Twitter and text it to you. BTW, I'll charge you 100.00 to do this.

bwahahahahaha read this out loud and it becomes epically savage.

Seriously, I get news here long before it gets to cleveland.com

I use to love looking in the paper for my name in the school stats sports sections the day after a game. I wish I would have saved the clippings because my son was like... who does that?

The ultimate stick in the eye...

It sounds like the company is making money off it and not her.

https://expo.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2...d-buckeyes.html

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I didn't go quite that far, but I used to check to see how every Cleveland Indians and Browns player did. I wanted to not only see their stats .... but also compare them to other players. The Vindicator used to print the top 10 or so in almost everything in sports .... the top 10 hitters, the top 10 pitchers in innings pitched, top 10 pitchers in ERA, and so forth .... and in the NFL, QBs, rushers, TDs, man, I think the stats took up half a page, if not more.

It took me an hour or more with the sports page every day. I really looked forward to Sundays with the college football results, and the NFL Previews ..... or the huge Indians headlines ......

The internet age has really changed things. It makes information much easier to find .... but somehow a lot of the charm has been lost.

How many people had a paper route as their first job? Did you feel good letting that 13 year old girl have it? Granted, it was a lesson she needed to learn. Probably not worth bragging about though.

Gone are the are the days of kids delivering papers around here. The routes are purchased and serviced by adults who deliver in their cars.

Kids did a better job too. We’d put papers on the porches, the car routes these days, you’re lucky to get it in the driveway.

Recent reports say that the PD is not doing well financially.

This looks like a grasp for readership... I guarantee you, some advertising will be attached to those somehow.

I grew up with Chris Fedor, he was always a good kid. He has turned into an arrogant jackass of a man.

Just $8.50/month so I can get a ton of reports credited to "Anonymous Sources"? Cool, take my money.

I walked up to each door and placed it inside the screen door. Being that it was 5:30am I tried to be as quiet as I could, not to wake them.

Had a couple scares when they would open the door as I opened the screen door.

Then on weekend, I had to ride around and collect. Plain Dealer collection $1.60 please, and punch their little calendar card.

I got lucky, I had a senior community on my route, with buzzer entry, so I was to leave that halls worth of papers in the foyer on the table. 8-10 papers each hall, 10 hallways done in 10 minutes, but they tipped very good because the paper was in their building before 6am. The deliverer before apparently was like Arch's, so they tipped me really well.

Not that I would buy this, but it is $3.99/month not $8.50.

Is this the groundskeeper's opinions? MKC and Co. get to fail in whole new arenas. I don't want her take on straight news. She is playing the "my opinions and re-tweets are news" games. Easier to manufacture their nonsense apparently than report, and that is often an unnamed "source" of sorts.

Paying for this bilge is buying noise. A subscription unfailingly indicates a guarantee that it will be a bunch of filler. Sizzle is cheaper to serve than steak.

Dunce's idea of news IMO. Imagine the target audience some marketeer is hoping to milk. We have all the cheap lunatics here any fan could require much more cheaply. Again, MHO.

Well then its opinions are only worth half as much it seems.

Clark County is going this route. But Springfield seldom has much Cleveland news, though it has carried more of Cavs and some Browns cut and paste dated stuff. Entire pages of Cincy and and their man crush of the Reds and Bengals. Almost never Tribe. And now a few dunces decided I need Wright State tripe on a daily basis, UD (VD IMO), and I get nothing on Wittenberg. They have forced their lovefest for McCoy on us.
I do not care for the Dayton paper. This overblown and unbalanced coverage is lame. We take the paper, when it is delivered, but I have no reason to go online when the sports are not there I care about. And they do not ask for feedback.
If they stop delivery, which happened this winter for awhile, about a month of sporadic delivery, I will be done with them. USA Today is a shadow of itself. Used to read it regularly. But opinions are so much easier than news.
Give me Cleveland coverage, but not this wrong-headed junk.

My subscription to the Plain Dealer gets me the actual Sunday paper delivered to my house and the E-Edition in my email every day. The E-Edition is a clickable version of the actual print copy. I pay $46 per 12 weeks subscription. I think its worth it, but I live here and I'm a newspaper junky. If you're interested, here's the link:

https://www.plaindealer.com/

As far as the offer to send updates to my phone - I wouldn't buy it - but I don't get the vitriol directed at the reporters here, and on Twitter. Its like a buffet style dinner; if you don't want something, don't take any of it.

Yeah, but then you'll have everyone fighting over the crab.

Thanks for the linky. I will see. We are buying the Columbus paper every week on Saturday which is their Sunday edition for the ads, which have been saving us money. Wife and I feel it is doing a great job. Our "local" Cox paper is cutting and pasting much of that paper into ours. Fairly lousy. Especially the sports.

Thanks again!

You can get free breaking news/scores on teams of your choice sent directly to your phone from the espn mobile app.

https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-hea...-laid-off-today

Here's Who The Plain Dealer Laid Off Today
Posted By Sam Allard on Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 4:14 pm
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Among the 14 veteran journalists laid off Monday from the Plain Dealer are the following:

Joanna Connors, first hired by the paper in 1983, who has served as a feature writer, book and film critic. Her series on sexual assault: "Beyond Rape: A Survivor's Journey" became the basis for her recent book, I Will Find You.

Debbi Snook, first hired in 1983, who has for 20 years written reviews on the food team. She has also written a number of marquee special reports, including a piece in 2012 called "Ohio's Trail of Tears" about how Native Americans were forced out of Ohio.

Michael Sangiacomo, first hired in 1989, who has covered a broad range of topics for the paper and has written recently with compassion and depth about the U.S. border, including a standalone special section in February.

Dennis Manoloff, first hired in 1990, who has covered multiple beats on the sports desk, including collegiate athletics and golf.



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My time at @ThePlainDealer has ended. Since Day 1 on Aug. 20, 1990, I worked as hard as I could and was blessed with uninterrupted employment at a great paper, doing what I enjoyed. My colleagues and bosses were/are fantastic. I am @ThePlainDealer for life.

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Allison Dolin Carey, first hired in 1993, who has been for several years the heart and soul of the popular weekly Fashion Flash feature.

Janet Cho, first hired in 1999, who has been a premier reporter on the business desk for years.


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On Friday, I turned in what I’ve now learned was my final byline for The Plain Dealer. I’m beyond grateful for 20 years of people trusting me to tell their stories - and for the privilege of working with exceptionally talented, salt-of-the-earth journalists in the @PDNewsGuild 📝

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Chuck Crow, veteran photographer.
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The Plain Dealer laid off photographer Chuck Crow. For five years, readers benefitted from his experienced eye and grace under deadline pressure. As a designer and editor, I was honored to work him for 5 years. Contrary to the joy captured in the these images, I am devastated ...

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Tom Feran, 37-year-veteran reporter. Feran literally reported on the PD layoffs after he'd been laid off, reportedly among those who volunteered.


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I love that my dad wrote his own lay-off obit as his final piece for the Plain Dealer after working there for 30 something years

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Elton Alexander, longtime collegiate athletics reporter, who's been working his butt off covering the NCAA tourney, and who signed off Tuesday with a Kenny Loggins jam.
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Signing off with Kenny Loggins ... Plain Dealer career has come to a bittersweet end. Loved every minute of it, save for a few leatherheads. Thank you all!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8SSdyflGN4 …

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The News Guild announced Monday that at least some of the 14 journalists volunteered to be laid off in order to preserve jobs for their colleagues and said that one additional reporter would depart later in April. Today's newsroom layoffs are in addition to 29 production jobs (2o of which were union positions) that will soon be outsourced, which means a net loss, for the Guild, of 35 members.

“[Advance Publications] will tell you this shedding of jobs is to save money while continuing to serve the region in an ever-changing media landscape,” the Guild wrote. “Here are the facts: Two decades ago, the paper had a staff of 340 journalists to cover Northeast Ohio. Soon, there will be 32. The damage isn’t just the loss of jobs. It’s the loss of information vital to the life of the city.”

The Guild noted that the newspaper lost more than 475 years of institutional knowledge in a single day.

On Friday, the Guild ratified a contract that extends to February, 2021, and provides an option for health care benefits to those who have been laid off while eliminating required furlough days for union workers.

Michael Sangiacomo was a quality writer/reporter.

Not at all surprised by Dennis Manoloff. He was low man on the sports totem pole.

Don't recall Elton Alexander. I have read a lot of the PD's sports articles, and I don't recall seeing that byline.

The rest ..... I really don't know who they are.

Kind of sad to see this evolution to digital media, as others have said, there was something special about sitting at the table, holding that paper and reading articles, scores, stats, etc.

Now that it seems all but gone, it makes me realize, that it was one of those few times in our day that we just sat back and relaxed before starting a busy, hectic day. Something I think many of us could use these days.

I'm turning 50 later this year, and I have for a couple years now, told my wife that when I turn 50, I will slow down, and take my mornings a little slower. Currently I wake, up shower, get dressed and head into work. I don't have to be at work at 7, it's just what I've done for 30 years.