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They found LOADS from the Mueller investigation. Lots of crimes committed and criminals that will now be in jail. The only thing you have to crow about it that "it wasn't collusion".

Whatever floats your boat I guess. Personally I'd rather see congress and the powers of the government be used in better, more wise ways such as passing reforms and laws for American citizens.

It's not really bout floating my oat. Where the confusion lies is the Mueller investigation had nothing to do with congress. Congress wasn't involved in the Mueller investigation.

And if you're speaking about the congressional committees, they exist in every administration. Oversight committees aren't new and didn't begin when Trump was elected or when the Democrats took over congress.

In 2007 alone congressional oversight committees met over 60 times just over NSA wiretaps. I know the media is really focusing on these committees now, but they've been going on for a very long time and they're nothing new.

The alt-right wants their dictator.

duh...trump GOP sheep control Congress. And they have one guy in the closet that can’t even face his own reality.

And their statues of treasonous murders reinstalled in their city parks.

Tastybrownies says...



Like declaring false national security issues to secure funding from US tax payers for a useless wall that the Mexican people are stealing for building material for their homes in Mexico?

Can't help but LMAO at the Fox News coverage of this. Late Friday and yesterday they were celebrating "no more indictments coming from Mueller" as a victory for Trump and the GOP. As of last night and this morning, after being reminded that the report could still be very damning, they've switched to attacks on the investigators, Clinton, Comey, McCabe, Lynch, Obama, the deep state, and the dirty dossier.

At this point nobody is supposed to know what is in the report outside of Barr and Rosenstein; yet Fox News seems like they might have received a heads up in the last 24 hours or so. And Trump is acting completely out of character has been strangely silent. Over 50 tweets last weekend, not so much this weekend.

Waiting on the facts since the report has been sent to the AG seems to be pretty stressful in Trumplandia.

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Wait, so was there collusion going on with Russia or nah? I've been told since the 2016 campaign and from most people on the political forum that there was....

I would hope the report, to the extent it can be, will be made public sooner rather than later.

Yeah, kinda like the Jussie Smollett debacle.

Wait and see. Mueller going with the DoJ guidelines of not indicting a sitting president doesn’t mean trump is in the clear.

Well we all know if people didn't commit collision, none of the other crimes they committed counts. And the funny part about this is, as much as they carry on, there was every reason to investigate the Trump campaign. Look at how many had ties to Russians who refused to submit those contacts on their disclosure forms. Nah, that wasn't suspicious. Manafort even had to register as a foreign agent. In an interview with Lester Holt Trump admitted he fired Comey over the Russia investigation.

And the funniest thing about all of this? Both the right and left made bogus claims this was all about Trump. It never was. It was about if, "anyone in the Trump campaign was involved in colluding with Russia and how far up in the campaign that may have gone".

Even the whole Kushner thing. Not only did he lie about his foreign contacts, he had to go back and revise his disclosure forms over 40 times. And people wonder why he couldn't get a security clearance?



The reasons why a special counselor was appointed in the first place is obvious. That's why the Republicans did it in the first place. Repeat after me, It wasn't the Democrats who launched the Russian collusion investigation, it was the Republicans.

People must have forgotten what Cohen said in his testimony before congress.

When asked if he knew of other criminal conduct by Trump he said that he did but he couldn't comment on that because the allegations of criminal conduct by President Donald Trump is currently under investigation by the Southern District of New York.

No, it's not over.

Bro I have a feeling the report will be much sadder than collusion.

Like, what if mueller reports that while trump didn’t try to swing the election with the Russians, he was actively using his campaign to fuel business dealings in Russia and other places, expecting not to win, and when he won, he tried to cover up everything happening.

I can already hear the excuses if that’s the case.

No matter what Trump has done, if it isn't direct collusion with Russia to influence the election, they'll dismiss it all and claim that it doesn't matter.

Look at all he's done and nobody on their side seems to care?

I mean just last week he was attacking a dead war hero who isn't even alive to defend himself. And they don't care. Then they will tell you how they support the troops and our veterans. It's become quite sad.

You've been told there was collusion or you've been told there was enough stink to warrant the investigation? Big difference. There was always justification for this investigation. Period.

You: "Repeat after me, It wasn't the Democrats who launched the Russian collusion investigation, it was the Republicans."

They:

Nobody on the right wants to address all the exposed lies and half truths either during this investigation. First there were no contacts or meetings with Russians, then well maybe but not collusion... etc. etc. etc.

Then collusion is not a crime!

Recently the business with Trump tower Moscow came to light after 2 years of Trump saying it never happened.

Yet we on the left are just supposed to let it all go because Trump is doing all the CRAP he ran on. smh

They: But Hillary Clinton!

But your so emotional

Well if it's not collusion it doesn't matter right?

I mean he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and still wouldn't lose any supporters, right?

And more importantly that wouldn't be collusion either ... and if the left wing commies went after him then it would be a witch hunt!

Speculation from multiple sources says more info a 5pm eastern today.

Well, looks like even sooner.

He's in the clear. Onto 2020.

report is currently being read.

move along my fellow liberals, nothing to see here.

no collusion. no obstruction.

Trump is a scumbag. but he isn't a traitor. thats a great thing for anybody not rooting for the president to be a traitor.

democrats, for the love of god don't go on a fishing expedition like the GOP did to hillary.

What's Gowdy up to these days? Keep him away from the Dems.

No Americans conspired with Russia to alter the 2016 election.

j/c...

Mueller Finds No Trump-Russia Conspiracy but Stops Short of Exonerating President on Obstruction of Justice
By Mark Mazzetti and Katie Benner
March 24, 2019

This is a developing story. The New York Times will be examining the findings. Check back for updates.

WASHINGTON — The investigation led by Robert S. Mueller III found that neither President Trump nor any of his aides conspired or coordinated with the Russian government’s 2016 election interference, according to a summary of the special counsel’s findings made public on Sunday by Attorney General William P. Barr.

Mr. Barr also said that Mr. Mueller’s team drew no conclusions about whether Mr. Trump illegally obstructed justice. Mr. Barr and the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, concluded that the special counsel’s investigators lacked sufficient evidence to establish that Mr. Trump committed that offense, but added that Mr. Mueller’s team stopped short of exonerating Mr. Trump.

“While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,” Mr. Barr quoted Mr. Mueller as writing.

Mr. Barr delivered the summary of the special counsel’s finding to Congress on Sunday afternoon, just days after the conclusion of a sprawling investigation into Russia’s attempts to sabotage the 2016 election and whether President Trump or any of his associates conspired with Moscow’s interference.

But congressional Democrats have demanded more, and the release of the key findings could be just the beginning of a lengthy constitutional battle between Congress and the Justice Department about whether Mr. Mueller’s full report will be made public. Democrats have also called for the attorney general to turn over all of the special counsel’s investigative files.

The Russia investigation has buffeted the White House from the earliest days of the Trump administration, with numerous current and former aides to Mr. Trump brought for questioning to the special counsel’s warren of offices in a plain office building in downtown Washington. F.B.I. agents fanned out across the nation and traveled to numerous foreign countries. Witnesses were questioned by members of Mr. Mueller’s team at airports upon landing in the United States.

Ultimately, a half-dozen former Trump aides were indicted or convicted of crimes, most for conspiracy or lying to investigators. Twenty-five Russian intelligence operatives and experts in social media manipulation were charged last year in two extraordinarily detailed indictments released by the special counsel. The inquiry concluded without charging any Americans for conspiring with the Russian campaign.

The report will bring closure for some who have obsessed over the myriad threads of a byzantine investigation. A cottage industry of Mueller watchers has spent months on social media and cable news debating thorny constitutional issues, spinning conspiracy theories and amassing encyclopedic details about once-obscure figures — Carter Page, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, George Papadopoulos and others.

How many minds it changes is another matter. Opinions have hardened over time, with many Americans already convinced they knew the answers before Mr. Mueller submitted his conclusions. Some believe that the special counsel’s previous indictments, twinned with voluminous news media reporting, have already shown a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Some believe that the investigation is, as Mr. Trump has long described it, a “witch hunt.”

Mr. Mueller’s work has proceeded in the face of blistering attacks by Mr. Trump and his allies, who painted the investigation as part of a relentless campaign by the “deep state” to reverse the results of the 2016 election.

Still, the release of Mr. Mueller’s findings could force a decision by Democrats on a simmering issue they have said would wait until the investigation’s end: whether to begin impeachment proceedings against the president. Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California has said it would not be “worth it” to try to impeach Mr. Trump, but suggested she could change her mind if an overwhelming bipartisan consensus emerged.

For months, the president and his lawyers have waged as much of a public-relations campaign as a legal one — trying to discredit the Mueller investigation to keep public opinion from swaying lawmakers to move against Mr. Trump.

The Justice Department regulations governing the Mueller inquiry only required the special counsel to give a succinct, confidential report to the attorney general explaining his decisions to either seek — or decline to seek — further criminal charges. Mr. Mueller operated under tighter restrictions than similar past inquiries, notably the investigation of President Clinton by Ken Starr, who ended up delivering a 445-page report in 1998 that contained lascivious details about an affair the president had with a White House intern.

Mr. Mueller was still given a wide mandate — to investigate not only Russian election interference but “any matters that may arise directly from that investigation.” Mr. Mueller has farmed out numerous aspects of his inquiry to several United States attorneys’ offices, and those investigations continue.

Mr. Mueller will not recommend new indictments, a senior Justice Department official said on Friday, ending speculation that he might charge some of Mr. Trump’s aides in the future. The Justice Department’s general practice is not to identify the targets of its investigations if prosecutors decide not to bring charges, so as not to tarnish their reputations. Mr. Rosenstein emphasized this point in a speech last month.

“It’s important,” Mr. Rosenstein said, “for government officials to refrain from making allegations of wrongdoing when they’re not backed by charges that we are prepared to prove in court.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/24/us/po...pgtype=Homepage

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Where's 40 at? He must be out celebrating!

The GOP did that because Come did a 25 minute speech on all the things she did wrong, and then said no prosecutor would take the case. He played judge, jury, and pat on the head guy.

In a nutshell - 100%

the report only made me more ticked off at Comey. im not even talking about his crap during the election, but these dumbass memos he dropped to even get the special counsel going to begin with. sure, people got justice for doing the wrong thing.

but overall? a waste of time.

So basically a 2 year, BS smear campaign.

I don't hold things against Dem people...at least most of them. I blame the media, Comey, and a good number of Dem politicians who played it for political gain.

What goes around comes around they say. I hope those who deserve it, get it.

I see Trump using this greatly to his advantage in this upcoming election. I can also see him pummeling feckless republicans too.

So explain how they had a meeting to get dirt on Hillary, emails were exchanged and NONE of his top aides coordinated with Russia? Something doesn't add up.

Why is Roger Stone accused of contacts with Wikileaks? Something doesn't add up.