Its PROVEN that 0 Collusion with Russian happened between trump and the campaign. Keep arguing against the BLATENT facts. its making you look smarter by the second...
Nope, what's been proven is that the didn't find it,, I'm positive it's there.
Im sorry, hold on a second. My nose is burning from the coffee that just spit out from it.
So, a guy that you and left has been calling one of the most decorated investigators on earth, and calling for Mueller time, etc. who armed with absolutely unlimited funds and staff of a team of investigators (largely democrat), have stated after 2 YEARS of investigating, there was 0 collusion between trump and his campaign, and yet you are certain there was.
O.M.G.
No, I'm laughing at the Barr interpretation of the Mueller report... I'll make up my own mind if they allow me to see it.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
"While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,'" ...
And I heard a pretty decent definition of this last night where someone said that there was public statements of obstruction and some behind the scenes stuff also, but Mueller almost made it seem that he would not make the final decision to criminally indict a sitting president-it was Barr to make that choice with Rosenstein. But the bar for criminal indictment of a sitting president is extremely high-I assume that if the house committees see the complete report-they still may pursue other avenues if there is something there
I heard similar, as well. Another phrase heard more than once: "Certain activities are illegal but unimpeachable; certain activities are legal but impeachable."
I really do expect further congressional inquiry, but no official impeachment proceedings.
If there is remaining peril for i1, it will come from the state level investigations that are ongoing. Should they uncover actionable evidence, they'll have to wait until the end of i1's term(s).
I really don't mind my tax dollars funding these inquiries. Let justice be done. Let the Truth be known.
"While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,'" ...
And I heard a pretty decent definition of this last night where someone said that there was public statements of obstruction and some behind the scenes stuff also, but Mueller almost made it seem that he would not make the final decision to criminally indict a sitting president-it was Barr to make that choice with Rosenstein. But the bar for criminal indictment of a sitting president is extremely high-I assume that if the house committees see the complete report-they still may pursue other avenues if there is something there
The trickiest part to all of it is a matter of intent. It is pretty common theme brought out in most political charges. It's actually been the focus of most of my posts on this thread.
That bar is extremely high and works for both sides of the political aisle.
You see, that is at the point where you are really no longer questioning whether someone committed acts that can clearly be seen as criminal in and of themselves. But at this juncture you have to provide conclusive evidence that these acts were committed with the intent to carry out that criminal activity.
As long as this applies to both sides in an even fashion then I don't believe anyone has the right to call foul. It's the way these laws are set up and is the course any investigation must follow. It in no way proves people aren't guilty of doing terrible things. It doesn't mean that if intent was taken out of the equation they wouldn't be guilty. It just sets the bar above the acts themselves and raises it the intent of those acts.
The funniest part in all of this is that both Hillary Clinton and Trump didn't face charges based on intent. The Republican AG that Trump himself appointed, Anthony Barr said exactly that. The same thing that was said as to why Hillary didn't face charges.
But here's what most of them get out of that.
Hillary BAD! Trump GOOD!
You can't make this stuff up!
First and foremost, you need to read the statutes on the handling of classified documents. If you mishandled those documents, you are charged. Intent has nothing to do with it. If you so much as forget to lock a secure safe, you can be charged, even if the documents were never touched, viewed, or stolen. Just the fact that Clinton had secure docs on her unsecured server is a crime.
Obviously it's you who haven't been following the bouncing ball. If intent has no consequence in these matters, then Trump would have been charged too.
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The reason that the FBI did not recommend felony prosecution, however, is that investigators never found “a smoking gun,” Comey says. They lacked an email or other record that established criminal intent – perhaps a warning to Clinton that she shouldn’t use a private server or any “indication of her obstructing justice.” Absent such a damning piece of evidence, there was no precedent to prosecute.
"While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,'" ...
And I heard a pretty decent definition of this last night where someone said that there was public statements of obstruction and some behind the scenes stuff also, but Mueller almost made it seem that he would not make the final decision to criminally indict a sitting president-it was Barr to make that choice with Rosenstein. But the bar for criminal indictment of a sitting president is extremely high-I assume that if the house committees see the complete report-they still may pursue other avenues if there is something there
I heard similar, as well. Another phrase heard more than once: "Certain activities are illegal but unimpeachable; certain activities are legal but impeachable."
I really do expect further congressional inquiry, but no official impeachment proceedings.
If there is remaining peril for i1, it will come from the state level investigations that are ongoing. Should they uncover actionable evidence, they'll have to wait until the end of i1's term(s).
I really don't mind my tax dollars funding these inquiries. Let justice be done. Let the Truth be known.
Well we know Trump is individual one and Cohen got time for it. So it seems inevitable that there will be a Trump perp walk at some point. But it will probably never happen because he is "Above the Law". That should be his 2020 campaign slogan, "I'm above the Law, the rules don't apply to me so I should be dictator."
Well first he'll have to change the constitution and other laws. But that's okay, we all know he will do that. I mean it's not like the judicial system runs things like that anymore.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I despise President Trump. I think he's a coward, a poor businessman, a bumbling idiot, and has made a mockery to the office of the President. I think it's shameful that we as a country actually voted him in.
However, it's embarrassing that people are actually mad that he didn't conspire with Russia. I mean, we should all be happy that our president did not work with our enemy. How can anyone be mad about that?
You can be made about a lot of things Trump has done. You can be mad about things he's said. But why be mad that he didn't commit treason?
Also, I find it funny how people like Pit and OCD, who routinely called people out for the "whataboutism", have promptly began "whatabouting".
I'm a democrat if it matters.
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Trump needs to sue the media just like the clean cut kid from Northern Kentucky. The media needs to learn a hard lessons from all of their nonsense.
That won't happen because it would lead to discovery and Trump would lose. Lawsuit defenses don't have to meet the same criteria to prove reasonable doubt that prosecutors do to prove a crime. Any good defense attorney would make Trump look worse than Benedict Arnold in the court and the press.
I despise President Trump. I think he's a coward, a poor businessman, a bumbling idiot, and has made a mockery to the office of the President. I think it's shameful that we as a country actually voted him in.
However, it's embarrassing that people are actually mad that he didn't conspire with Russia. I mean, we should all be happy that our president did not work with our enemy. How can anyone be mad about that?
You can be made about a lot of things Trump has done. You can be mad about things he's said. But why be mad that he didn't commit treason?
Also, I find it funny how people like Pit and OCD, who routinely called people out for the "whataboutism", have promptly began "whatabouting".
I'm a democrat if it matters.
We're not trying to whatabout, we're trying to justify our position of not blindly accepting Barr's summary and conceding that Trump's completely exonerated. Wanting to see the facts that were uncovered is nowhere near the same as whataboutisms.
Isn't he the same guy that almost cried on election night? That went on a cussing and swearing rant about the results?
Let's see: Oh, we've been told for 2 years collusion. We've been told obstruction on justice. We've seen, apparently, a republican led investigation. We've been told 'it's just weeks away." Trump will never make it through the first year without impeachment. Maxine waters made it her mantra that she was out to impeach trump.
jUst wait, this new info could "possibly" get trump, kushner, jr. Mueller report coming.....just weeks away, obstruction, collusion, russia changed votes, stormy, avennati........it just goes on and on.
And the funniest part? Mueller's report was what the libs hung their hats on. For some 2 years.
And? Once it comes out? ................... uh, okay, but I'm sure it happened.
We'll get trump in this lawsuit, and that lawsuit. We won't quit until we get him, some way, some how. Hey, we got several people pleading guilty - to lying. Kinda what obama's irs official did. Hillary, not prosecuted cause O's DOJ refused.
Libs griping about trump lying, when the msm has been lying for years about him. Hillary lying didn't seem to matter then.
Fake dossier, anyone?
I find it hilarious. "The Mueller report will nail him, just wait............."
And hardly any of you can say "well, despite what we so desperately wanted to be true, it's not. My bad."
Obviously it's you who haven't been following the bouncing ball. If intent has no consequence in these matters, then Trump would have been charged too.
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The reason that the FBI did not recommend felony prosecution, however, is that investigators never found “a smoking gun,” Comey says. They lacked an email or other record that established criminal intent – perhaps a warning to Clinton that she shouldn’t use a private server or any “indication of her obstructing justice.” Absent such a damning piece of evidence, there was no precedent to prosecute.
I was talking about classified documents. What ball are you bouncing on?
Also, the fbi does not recommend any prosecution. The fbi is to investigate and turn over evidence to the doj, which will then recommend prosecution or not.
Well first he'll have to change the constitution and other laws. But that's okay, we all know he will do that. I mean it's not like the judicial system runs things like that anymore.
You can be made about a lot of things Trump has done. You can be mad about things he's said. But why be mad that he didn't commit treason?
A few reasons:
1. It means they were wrong. Plain and simple, some people will just never admit they were wrong, no matter what. Just look at Damans post.
2. Since election night 16, LITERALLY that night, plans were in motion to either overturn the election, or impeach Trump. This was their last "hooray" so to say. This investigation was the last ditch effort to rid Trump of the office. It has seemingly failed, and those are truly heartbroken and in denial.
The real problem is that both sides of the political aisle trust "their media" and not the other side of media. When the fact is both sides of the media have tons of BS to sift through.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
The real problem is that both sides of the political aisle trust "their media" and not the other side of media. When the fact is both sides of the media have tons of BS to sift through.
The real problem is that both sides of the political aisle trust "their media" and not the other side of media. When the fact is both sides of the media have tons of BS to sift through.
Quoted for truth.
Regarding this: I get almost zero news from TV. Absolutely zero from cable news. I don't even know where those channels are on my cable box. Besides, I see enough clips embedded here to know that I want nothing to do with them- any of them.
See the chart above. I get 90% of my news from the sources inside the green rectangle. Yellow rectangle only occasionally, if they are linked in articles from sources found inside the green border. The stuff inside the orange border seeps into my fb feed. I read the headlines, never click on any of them.
I adopted this policy in June of '16, when the first reports of 'fake news' and trolls/bots began surfacing. Life's been much better since.
I now gat (what I think is) a fairly balanced feed... and can trust what I'm told when a plurality of these sources all report on the same news headline. I can spot the spin (clockwis/counterclockwise ), and still glean the gist of the news.
No cable news No panel discussions No YouTube pundits.
For everyone else: all that raw/'doctored' data is filtered through my life experiences, education, parental influence, religious/spiritual/ethical training, debates I've had with others.... you know- the stuff that makes me- me.
It's the one and only way in which I can be (reasonably) assured that my opinions truly are my own. That is not to say that I haven't been influenced- only that I've taken steps to mitigate the effects. I still have my own set of biases... but I'm aware of what they are- and that allows me to read a story from WaPo, The Economist, Time and Reuters- and pretty much glean the essence of the story by forming a composite. It's worked pretty well for me for awhile now.
You need to give this up. Give it up. The ship has sailed.
In a way I would love for the democrats to keep going down this path. It means an even larger loss in 2020. The funniest thing about this is they seem not to realize it.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I agree that portions of the report should be made public, not all of it can be because its classified. For those people that want the report public. Okay, let's say its made public. Then what? The print isn't in Times New Roman? Its a fake report not the real one!
I think the worst part is that for the past 2 years I've had to listen to this man ranting about Russia. Then to only hear a 30 second blurb after 2 years of being wrong and peddling conspiracy theories incessantly just pisses me off. There is no honor in side stepping your responsibilities, own it when you're wrong. You want to be a man, act like one.
Working the entire country up, increasing tensions everywhere for a conspiracy theory that you pushed this hard. Not even an apology is disgraceful.
I despise President Trump. I think he's a coward, a poor businessman, a bumbling idiot, and has made a mockery to the office of the President. I think it's shameful that we as a country actually voted him in.
However, it's embarrassing that people are actually mad that he didn't conspire with Russia. I mean, we should all be happy that our president did not work with our enemy. How can anyone be mad about that?
You can be made about a lot of things Trump has done. You can be mad about things he's said. But why be mad that he didn't commit treason?
Also, I find it funny how people like Pit and OCD, who routinely called people out for the "whataboutism", have promptly began "whatabouting".
I'm a democrat if it matters.
Actually, I'm not unhappy to learn he didn't conspire with Russia..
But I'm unhappy with his actions to try and stop the Investigation,, Calling it a witch hunt, illegal, etc. For the last 2 years. He's done everything short of firing Mueller in order to belittle and cut the investigation down.
My conclusion is that he was scared out of his jock. He was afraid they'd find something.. which tells me there is something there to find. Why else would he attack it. If he knew he didn't do anything, he should have just shut up and let it take it's course.,.,
I ask, why wouldn't he speak directly to Mueller and his team, what was he afraid of?
I think there is a smoking gun there, but be that as it may, it was found he wasn't doing anything wrong as far as Russian involvement... or so it appears!
My problem is this, All we really have is the Barr interpretation of the Mueller report, we don't have all the facts, we don't have the details (some of which I'm sure can't be allowed out due to security issues)
When we get to see the facts, ALL THE FACTS, then I'll be satisfied.
For the record, I'm still a registered Republican, but thinking I'm switching to Independent.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Moreover, the fact that the Democrats chose to spend 2-3 years validating Trumps most pre-eminent complaint about them.....fake news, is beyond irony. This could not have gone worse for the Democrats. The only way it could have been worse was if they hadn't found campaign finance shenanigans. Then they would have almost nothing.
Why did Trump do anything he could to discredit the investigation and is, to this day, still trying to discredit an investigation that found him clean insofar as the Russia side of things?
Why is Mitch McConnell now blocking Democrats moves to publicly release the Mueller report..
Remember, the house voted 420 to 0 to demand the release the report,, Most republican senators want it released, all of the democratic senators want it released...
So why does Mitch stand in the way?
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#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Why did Trump do anything he could to discredit the investigation and is, do this day, still trying to discredit and investigation that found him clean insofar as the Russia side of things?
Why is Mitch McConnell now blocking Democrats moves to publicly release the Mueller report..
Remember, the house voted 420 to 0 to demand the release the report,, Most republican senators want it released, all of the democratic senators want it released...
So why does Mitch stand in the way?
The first question, oh I don't know because it was a fraud and he knew it?
The second one, who knows, maybe Mitch was the pee gate guy actually. In the grand scheme it's irrelevant.
I'm going to register Republican this year and get behind this great President! MAGA!
I mean he was totally wronged here. There were no lies about contacts with Russians, just misunderstood coincidences. And the way he shows his belly to Putin, BRILLIANT! Why? Because we need Putin to show us how to structure Trump's dictatorship. Not because Trump is compromised in anyway by Russia because we all know Trump is infallible in every way. We are just so blessed to have him as our leader.
And don't even bother looking into all those other crimes, we need to investigate the reporters and investigators! That deep state just keeps getting deeper and we have to protect Trump because the universe depends on his star shining bright! All of his detractors and political opponents should be slain en masse!
The stupid MSM just kept finding Russians under every stone they turned over! That's not Trumps fault, they should have just took his word for it and stopped turning stones!
And the dumbass libtard demoncrats are just going to waste more precious taxpayer money doing their oversight jobs! LOSERS. We all got Barr's message loud and clear, COMPLETE EXONERATION then, now, and in the future! smh
Hillary is the real criminal. We need to address that issue before she makes a comeback. And we need a wall that keeps the horrible brown people south of the border, south of the border! We also need to make Christianity the official religion so we can get rid of the terrorist Muslims that are trying to help the people who really control all the money and businesses take our great white country away from Muricans.
Yes, I've finally seen the light! Trump needs me to vote Republican in 2020! He is not a TRAITOR, he just looked like one because everybody added two and two to get four but that's not how the math works! Trumps math is to hard for those people to understand, Fox News will explain it to you if you just dedicate yourself to viewing the truth and accepting Trump as your personal savior!
This man has kept every promise he ever made! He's doing what he said he would do. It's not his fault Mexico won't pony up for our wall. We can pay though and that will make them pay. The Pentagon just gave him a Billion today for 57 miles of wall! We took that instead of spending it on stupid cyber defense cause there's no risk from Putin to Trump.
And Obamacare is OUT baby! The White House just accepted the judge in Texas' ruling that it's unconstitutional because there is no individual mandate! So that means full repeal, no more paying for old sick people with pre-existing conditions or kids who refuse to get jobs and pay for their own insurance! We get to go back to our great insurance before stupid not a real American Obama.
I'm finally onboard that Trump Train! Got my ticket from a guy in a fine Russian suit in the alley behind Facebook Marketplace. I'm going to work really hard too! I want to get every Lib, Dem, Independent, Non-voter that I can find to register Republican for 2020! At least for the primaries...
They accused a sitting president of treason and came up with literally nothing. Partisanship aside, I would have been outraged had they did this to Obama, or Clinton or Bush.
For 2-3 years people had to hear about how Fox News was a "State run propaganda network" when, now that the report is out shows that they were the only ones reporting the news accurately RE: Russia. I don't even really like Trump all that much, but I cannot just let this blow over. This was a media driven attempted coupe spawning from the inability to accept that Hilary Clinton was a troll of a candidate and lost fairly.
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), and still glean the gist of the news.
