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This is a very important point. If any other deliberate act that renders a fetus lifeless is considered murder, how can abortion not be?

Avoiding pregnancy is easy. Raising a kid is a billion times harder.

Well there's always that pesky Roe vs Wade decision that stands in the way.

So I still haven't gotten an answer to my question. If this is all so cut and dry and the only thing that needed to be done was for Trump to stack the SCOTUS. What the hell is the hold up now?

I'm not saying it is - but it could be that the law saying the the act of taking a lifeless fetus is murder is simply bad law - or simply wrong ... maybe it was a law pushed by the religious either because they feel that there is life at conception or because they could use this law as a vehicle to promote the line of thinking you just suggested.

Laws aren't "pushed" on the SCOTUS. And state laws do not supersede SCOTUS decisions. It's why many of them are overturned.

j/c

It's funny how people don't seem to object to it being perfectly legal to pull the plug to end a life based on brain activity even if a heartbeat is strong.

Until you change the subject to abortion.

At some point you have to challenge the agenda of the left in how much they want minorities to murder their own kind and silence the voices of their people. I guess it's just more convenient to get people to silence themselves by convincing them that life is not important so just kill off your children.

You always bring up bogus arguments. I am getting tired of that. Pulling a plug on a brain dead person is far different than sucking a viable fetus out of the womb.

Unfortunately, "she can always have an abortion" is a thought that gets stuck in too many drunk, horny, unprepared dudes' heads.

We are going to disagree on this one all day long Eve.

WOMEN. NEED. TO. STOP. SLEEPING. WITH. GOP. VOTERS.

Women need to stop sleeping with irresponsible dumbasses who refuse to be concerned with the consequences of their actions.

What if a woman wants to sit in her own house and do meth all day is that legal. I mean why not it's her body. What if she wants to walk around naked at the mall...I mean hey it's her body. Who is the law to tell her NO. There are plenty of things men and woman can't do with or to their own bodies because it's against the law. Yet I never hear anybody complaining about that.

Now are abortions legal? In some cases yes and in some cases no. At least for me I am not trying to put any woman down for having a legal abortion. I am trying to do away with abortions not judge folks.

BTW I have more woman friends who are against abortion than are for it so why do you want to blame only old men for not wanting abortions?

Men need to stop sleeping with irresponsible dumbasses who refuse to be concerned with the consequences of their actions. It goes both ways.

j/c



An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of abortion debate...


Hopes rise for male contraceptive pill breakthrough
Trial of once-daily capsule appeared to reduce sperm count with few side-effects


Hopes for a male contraceptive pill have increased after a trial showed a once-daily capsule appeared to work with no significant side-effects.

The drug aims to suppress levels of hormones that drive the production of sperm and testosterone in the testes.

In the month-long study, doctors found that levels of the hormones required for sperm production fell in men who took the daily capsule, suggesting their sperm counts had been markedly reduced. The next step will be to confirm the fall and determine if it is sufficient.

Scientists have been searching for a male contraceptive pill for years, testing numerous pills, injections and gels to find an alternative to condoms and vasectomies.

Stephanie Page, a professor of medicine and co-senior investigator on the trial at the University of Washington in Seattle, said: “The goal is to expand contraceptive options and create a menu of choices for men like we have for women. We are neglecting a major potential user population with the limited options currently available to men.”

Despite the range of contraceptive pills, patches and injections available for women, and the choice of either condoms or vasectomies for men, the rate of unplanned pregnancies had stagnated at about 40%, Page said.

Forty healthy men enrolled in the phase one safety trial at the University of Washington and LA BioMed. Ten volunteers received a placebo capsule; the rest were assigned a 200mg or 400mg dose of the drug, 11-beta-MNTDC. All took one capsule daily with food for 28 days, according to a presentation at the Endocrine Society’s annual conference in New Orleans.

The drug contains a form of progesterone that blocks the production of hormones called LH and FSH that are needed to make sperm. It also has a testosterone-like compound, or androgen, which balances a drop in the male hormone caused by the progestin.

Page said: “Since testosterone production is shut down in the testes, the androgen action in the rest of the body maintains ‘maleness’ elsewhere, supporting things like male pattern hair, deep voice, sex drive and function, and lean body mass.”

Men who took the drug had substantially lower levels of LH and FSH compared with those who had the placebo, suggesting the drug had stopped their sperm production.

Christina [censored], a co-senior investigator on the trial at LA BioMed, said the next step was to measure the fall in sperm production directly. “This study is very short and we need three months if not more to stop sperm production,” she said. “All we have shown so far is that it shuts down the hormones that control the function of the testes.”

While none of the men dropped out or had less sex during the trial, some experienced mild side-effects. Four to six men reported either headaches, fatigue or acne, five experienced a mildly decreased libido, and two had mild erectile dysfunction. Similar side-effects have hampered other experimental male contraceptives. In the latest trial, some men also put on weight, [censored] said.

The researchers say it could be a decade before a male pill is on the market, but they believe there is strong demand from couples. “Men have really limited options when it comes to reversible contraception,” [censored] said. “When we ask men about hormonal compounds, about 50% are willing to try this new method. And when you ask their partners, the percentage is even higher.”

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Because men have no right to opine this subject. This is a women’s issue and men shouldn’t get a vote. Let women debate and legislate the laws of abortion and men should just stay out of it.

The only problem with all of this misdirected talk of cars and walking naked at the mall is this little thing called the Roe vs Wade SCOTUS decision.

I'm pretty neutral on abortion. I'd even go as far as to say I am pro choice. Boycotting an entire state to fight for the right to abort babies with a heartbeat is sick even for me.

I simply cannot understand the need to go on a crusade to abort babies.

I'm pretty neutral on abortion. I'd even go as far as to say I am pro choice. Boycotting an entire state to fight for the right to abort babies with a heartbeat is sick even for me.

I simply cannot understand the need to go on a crusade to abort babies.