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Lol and you obviously missed this

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...Team-123672212/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepewterpl...buccaneers/amp/

See Nassib was cut right before week 1, signed with TB had to learn a whole new scheme and playbook...he barely played the first 4 weeks because of this...

He finished with 6.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 9 batted passes...if you say that ain't contributing...then you are nuts...considering he was mainly a wave player for half the season. I'm just saying he would have helped our team, more so then just releasing him for nothing since Dorsey didn't draft him.

I watched TB games merely to see how he was doing for them...He was also their best run defender...He played particularly well near the goal line for them as well. He played worlds better than the guys Dorsey brought in to replace him.

And who was the highest rated performing player for both teams, when the Browns played the Bucs (I think week 5, could be wrong) ...well it was Nassib with 2 sacks on Baker, 2 more pressures and a batted pass.

I view football all the time, and not just homer Browns games.

As a rookie he started. Compare those numbers to both of peppers seasons and you will see no massive dropoff

I agree. We have to wait and see the ensuing moves. At this point it can be a good move or a bad move depending on what we do.

I would have liked to have seen him as well, but he was always hurt and he is a non Dorsey guy.

It always happens when a new GM comes to town. All but the best get axed the first 2-3 years.

I have no problem with it. It's easy to replace decent to marginal players with other decent to marginal players. You also stand the chance to add some better players.

With the new salary structure, you see it league wide, guys in their 3rd,4th year need to be producing or cut in favor of new blood, be it a FA signing for big money or a drafted rookie on a cheap contract.

There has to be some kind of plan here. We went from decent safety depth to really only 1 safety on the roster. I just don't see Burnett as the answer. I'd actually prefer Kindred to Burnett and he'd be cheaper. This smells like a scheme thing to me. I think we might be looking at coverage guys over box safeties as well. Kindred is going to start for somebody and do well though. It's just going to be on a team that values what he does well.

Makes sense, and Kindred really struggled last year coverage wise...I could never understand why we split him outside and had him in CB coverage, he got ate alive in that role...and very possible we will do that more with safety this year, and like you said he does not excel in that area.

Be interesting to see how it unfolds.

tru, I like you and think you are a good poster, but bro.........Nassib stinks against the run. He gets abused because he is not strong enough to fend off blockers when they engage him. He flashes occasionally as a pass rusher because of his length and decent quickness. However, he gets neutralized much too often. He also came across as a huge jerk on HK.

Kindred can't cover anywhere. He is a straight-line player who lacks lateral movement. He has no quick twitch in his game. He can be good going downhill as a run blitzer, but that is about it.

Maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm not...........but, we're going to disagree about those two players. And I am not saying any of this in a mean way, because again, I always value your football takes. You're one of the better football guys on this board. We just disagree about those two players.

I agree on Kindred...coverage is not his forte, and he blew when being asked to cover last year.

When Nassib last played here he was our highest rated run defender (front 7 wise) however I do believe PFF rankings can be skewed as well...I don't think Nassib is a bonafide player by any means...I just believe we would have been better by keeping him, then letting him go for nothing.

And likewise Vers, I always enjoy your words and insight in all matters of this board. I just hope we can fill the multiple big voids we still have.

We've made great progress under Dorsey in less than two years. Not every move will be great, but look at our roster compared to when he took over.

Hell, I was so disappointed in the draft..........until I watched those dudes play. I was wrong. Dorsey was right. He's won my trust, bro.

GC. No worries, this kinda thing never comes back to bite ya in the backside,
The Browns do this kind of thing every year, and it's never been a problem in the past, errr. mixed results.

What I really mean is uhh, we should all be used to this by now.

Go Team.

Bro.........I don't know what to tell you if you can't see how this team now has so much more talent than in years past.

Start at QB, WR, RB, and just keep going. It's amazing that this all happened in about a year's time.

Exactly. We are also better at FS and CB. We upgraded the DT position and the DE spot.

I have always been labeled as a "Negative Nancy" and other monikers that were similar because I said that our fans overrated our talent. But bro, this time it's for real! This team is loaded w/talent!

Since our rebirth:

We never had a qb even close to being as good as Baker. That's huge! Our WR group is being talked about as the best in the entire NFL. We have two young stud RBs. An elite edge rusher and another darn good one. We have an elite corner.

Those are all key positions in today's NFL. It's time to get excited!!!

I am very excited. Our D needs some upgrading though. I hope we go heavy with D in the draft.

We probably will. Of course, BPA is always the main factor, but I'm guessing that it will be a draft w/an emphasis on defense and perhaps offensive line.

Morgan Burnett was just released by the Steelers...He has been linked to us as a likely landing spot.

First...Do we want him? I know he was injured last year...but before that they were high on him...I don't know much else about him.

Secondly...Does the trade for Murray affect this in any way? What is the comparison between these 2?

The guy we got from KC seems to be more depth as far as the defensive backfield goes. He's played both safety spots and CB. Sounds as though more of an impact on ST. I do not think we are looking at him as a starter.

So I don't think he changes any plans we may have had for Burnett. If we decided last week that we planned on picking up Burnett if he got cut, then we are still thinking that today.

Was Burnett shopped around before the Steelers let him go?


n/m..I should have read the article. Carry on.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Buddy Boy has a plan peeps.

j/c:

It's a good sign when players we waive are picked up in short order.

John has a plan.

I think our new coordinator places value on creating pressure with the 4 man rush and playing good cover or solid zone behind that. I think the premium is on getting guys who can cover to allow a little time for our pass rush to meet at the QB over a box type safety who is there to blitz.

As for a older safety, that is a position older players can play. I don't think Dorsey will shy away from a 30 year old safety. Lot's of good safeties have played in to their mid and upper 30's with no real problem. Plus, we are pretty young on D. It wouldn't hurt to have a little gray beard in there. It never hurts to have someone who can point a finger and everybody shuts up and listens.

Glad he found a new home so quickly.

I can't believe we're still discussing Nassib. Reminds me of how long it took for us to stop talking about Hank Fraley. Omg.

Anyway, I think the Colts are a great landing spot for Kindred. I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a great season similar to how Jordan Poyer took off in Buffalo.

I'm sure Dorsey will end up at some point with a quality starter at safety, but you win this game by having quality depth, and we just got rid of two guys (Kindred and Ogbah) who could have provided solid depth at low cost.

When you look at the entirety of Dorseys moves on defense it is VERY easy to see what the plan is. Pass the ball, Rush the passer, and defend the pass.

Ogbah couldn’t get sacks….gone
Peppers a box safety…gone
Kindred a box safety….gone


Randall rangey FS who played corner in the league.
Eric Murray former corner turned safety
Denzel Ward, elite athlete drafted corner


Trades for Jarvis
Drafts Baker
Trades for OBJ




Thank god we finally have someone who doesn’t buy into the “Cleveland Browns football” garbage where we run the ball 30x a game and have “big hitter” safeties. This ain’t the 80’s.

We needed good to great Wide Receivers to stop teams from loading the box with 8 - 9 men on the Line of scrimmage. You line up to stop the run, how do you cover OBJ, Landry, Calloway 1 on 1 ? 5/6 DBs ? Run, Run, Run with Chubb and Hunt. Pick your poison.

This also puts a LB on Njoku. I take that match-up all day.

AAF players will be street free agents, and available to sign with any team.

There are a handful or so who might get a shot .... maybe as many as 10.

Agreed 100%. We have what could be one of the most explosive O's in the league. To maximize that weapon we need them on the field as much as possible which is why we need a top D. A top D to stop our opponents as fast as possible and get Baker and his teammates out there as much as possible.

That's all good, until Baltimore comes into your house in December and runs for 200+ yards cause you cant stop the run.

They ran for 296 in the final game with all of those guys in the lineup.

Ogbah missed 2 games with injury, and finished with 24 tackles and 16 assists, and had 3 sacks. He was useful, but not a game changer.

Peppers was up and down throughout the season, despite playing in what should have been his comfort zone. He could not cover, though ... and in today's NFL, your SS must cover. Kindred also had problems in coverage. My favorite among these was Kindred, and I think he is a loss, but I think that Dorsey has a plan. I am willing to wait it out.

I think that would have been the case even if the AAF hadn't folded. This is what the AAF was intended to be.

You know the best way to stop Baltimore's running game? Hit them in the backfield before they get going.

Put them in a bad down and distance and make Lamar pass, hopefully while under pressure with our players.

Not exactly Ogbah's forte.

Morgan Burnett was released by the Steelers yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised if he signs here. He was injured last year and they played him out of position in Pittspuke. Green Bay connection.

We have a good pass rush, but Myles is pretty sub par against the run. So are our LBs, and other lineman.

Looks like we're signing Burnett.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/...13-28b8797a9239