DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Duke Johnson asks to be traded

Duke Johnson has the unfortunate status of being our 3rd best RB, and our 5th (maybe) best WR.

He is a very useful player, but not vital. He has value, but he is not "the most valuable" player. He is good in all phases of his job, but not elite in any of them.

I think that he sees his touches diminishing immensely here. How often is he going to get the ball, especially once Hunt returns from suspension? If we go 5 wide, it's probably Jarvis, OBJ, Callaway, Higgins, and Njoku. Where does Duke fit? Maybe he comes in on 3rd and long as a blocker?

Duke is a good player, and has been a good teammate. He hasn't complained about his role. He has value, but I doubt it's as high as some think.

Worst case, you keep him under contract and bring him into camp.. then somebody on another team goes down with season-ending injury and suddenly a guy like Duke is worth a lot more.

j/c:

I have heard New England mentioned as a perfect spot for Duke at least a few times. I won't ever say "never," but the Pats already have James White, who is extremely similar to Duke in size, style, and ability.

I think teams like Philly[if Sproles retires,] Dallas, KC, and Minni make more sense. I don't think Duke is a starter. He is a change of pace back who is very effective in his role.

Hoping he goes to a NFC team. I'd hate to see him on any team we play this season, especially the Pats and Jets, who a coworker has made me HATE the last 2 seasons.

almost every NFL offense has a "pass catching RB"
the problem with DJ is he gives you nothing in the ground attack.
wherever he plays he just needs to move to WR full time.
I can.see him.going to Buffalo whos stocked up taking other teams end of the bench options

I'm not sure that's 100% true. Since he got here he only gets about 5 carries per game but he averages 4.3 ypc and he has explosive ability to break bigger ones..

He's NOT an every down back but I wouldn't go so far as to say he gives you "nothing"...

Our 2nd, Duke, and a 4th or 5th might get us the Pats pick.

I was talking in a thread about Duke Johnson, not elite level backs.

Duke is a good back. There are lot's of good backs. They enter the league with fresher legs every year.

Why would the Patriots trade for Duke Johnson when they already have James White?

I've said the same thing multiple times, but no one wants to listen.

Or we didn't see it.


I am just throwing out possibilities. If you don't think so, cool.

The Duke is who he is, we will be lucky to get a 7th round pick for the guy. Wasn't Howard traded for a 6th round pick? Jordon Howard has a much better resume then Duke at this point.

I like Duke, but am not a Duke homeboy. He is a good guy and a good player where you can find lot's of good guys and good players fairly late in a draft.

Devin Ozigbo, Nebraska....he just visited...maybe he replaces Duke. Not to mention we still like Hilliard....why not him?

People who think Duke holds value above maybe 5th round tops, are going to be ticked.

I agree he will be traded, just do not see him getting traded to NE. TB maybe.

i think some of his 4.3 yds per carry can be attributed
to him getting the ball on a,2nd or 3rd long and he gets a nice 6 8 yd gain vs a nickel package.
hes,more straightine fast than quick.
he lacks that ability to be patient and at the last second pop a crease and go 50 yds.
he needs perfect blocking to get anywhere.
he seems to go down easy on contact..hes not going to drag guys.

that's a fair assessment. But, I'd argue he has more value than an unproven 5th round pick.

Because he's performed on an NFL field since he came to Cleveland.

Maybe TB....there are 30 other teams, so yep, the odds of it being NE aren't as good as elsewhere.

what's crazy is he used to be our best weapon ... probably by a long shot

I remember that game in San Diego and he carried us

When, during the season, is the trading deadline?

I was thinking that if it coincides with the timing of Hunt coming off suspension, then why not hang on to Duke, use him as you need, then trade him just before the deadline.. I mean if the timing works out right...

Is that even possible?

another thing hurting Duke is that hes not even
a contributor in special teams.
for someone thats so " explosive" as they claim.
how come hes not the #1 kick returner?
what it comes down to tbe Browns can draft a RB
this year and do Dukes job this year and catch 20 25 passes. or run the ball 2 3 times a game at a fraction of the cost.
a team like the 49ers Redskins or Giants could use him.
a reliable check down outlet.

I heard on one of the sports talk shows that Miami may be looking to deal Reshad Jones,SS. They seem like a team that may need a RB. I wonder what it would take to make that trade happen?

I wish I could agree with you but I think that one must look at some of the latest deals for mid level RB's to gauge value. At least to some extent. The Bears just traded Jordon Howard to the Eagles for a 2020 6th round pick. I mean they didn't even get a pick in this years draft for the guy.

That would be a tough market to expect more than a fifth round pick for Duke.

Duke might net you a 6th RD pick.
Jordan Howard is a better RB and yep he was traded for a 6th RD pick.
RBs used to be the bread and butter of the offense. the focal point.
not anymore.
Remember Kareem Hunt was let go. top 5 RB.
Cheifs offense didnt skip a beat.
same for Duke..if hes traded the Browns offense wont miss him.

He was traded for a future 6th, which translates to a current year 7th.

If Duke is traded, I expect it to be for a player, not a pick.

agreed Ytown

If we want to get technical, my understanding based on performance the pick for Howard could become a 5th.

Miami would seem like a place Duke might want to go back to. Flores might want a James White-like back after his time in NE.

I don't see Jones, though, without more included in the trade, and I'd rather not give up more.

Not sure what else Miami has that might be of interest and actually be available.

You made me think of something as well...


The player contract can affect the trade as well... Howard is on a 1 year rental so to speak. Duke would be under contract for 3 years. That could affect his value.

Never actually though of that angle.

It could, by maybe a round IMO.

In the end I think Duke is packaged with a pick to gain a more valuable pick. I am not going to bicker on where or how high that pick might be.

Kind of hard to compare the two backs.

Howard had two impressive years to start his career but his ypc dropped below the dreaded 4 yards last year. Not to mention he is a power back who's career receiving yards are what were previously expected of Duke Johnson in a single season.

That said, it is now known he is up for trade and WANTS to be traded, so his value is likely no higher than a 5th round pick.

Then a gain, I thought Ogbah may be able to net a 4th or 5th round pick too and all we got was a 3rd safety- dime back level guy out of him.

Not sure if Duke and our 6th for Philadelphia's 1st 4th round pick (they have 2 with the comp pick) is really worth it, but that's likely the general value we'd get (give or take).

Tennessee has no income tax...one of 3-4 states to do it that way.


Just tax consumption.

I was posting about gas taxes. In the PFF. I don't know why.

There's actually 9.

9 is more than one. There are, rather than "There's."

Just messin' w/you. No ill will intended.

Texas is one

That is crazy talk, and I like it! Dorsey is good at trades, a given. a bundled Duke can amplify his value to crack back into higher picks, let's do it. I think for defense especially, it might be "best for man available" if we try to use him to juicy up a trade.

Gonna trust Dorsey some more.