Not sure how anyone with a clue could say this dudes overpaid ... based off his teammates comments in this video I don’t think any of them think he’s overpaid by even a penny .... it just not about stats menZas .... with him and OBJ this year TC practices are going to be off the hook intense and competitive ... its gonna elevate the entire team even more ... man is this gonna be fun ...
Pretty sure the announcers don’t think he’s overpaid either ... *LOL* ...
I will say I’m not sure how catch #5 was not #1 ... that was quite possibly the hardest catch made in the entire league last year ... how he caught that with dude draped all over him is INCREDIBLE .... SIMPLY AMAZING CATCH ...... Now he’s our #2 ... HOW LUCKY ARE WE .... WOOOOOHOOOOOO ...
With OBJ and VG and all the circus catches we’ll have this year they oughta move our games to the center ring under the big top ....
Said ti before, I will say it again. I don't care if we over the cap every single season. I'd rather be in cap hell than every go 1-31 ever again with half a decade straight of "most cap space".
He had 81 catches for 976 yards. His YPC was up over 3 yards per from his previous year in Miami. He had the same amount of yards on basically 30 less catches.
He's fine, anyone complaining about Landry is nit picking.
Actually I see Landry and OBJ as very similar WRs with only speed being the difference.
So OBJ will be Landry with a lot more speed!
Man once we get all on the same page this should be amazing. Also to benefit will be our RBs as both are willing to block and know what a shadow block is! Teach the youngsters as well especially Calloway. With those 3 it could be the best trio WR in the history of the NFL! I kid you not.
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Said ti before, I will say it again. I don't care if we over the cap every single season. I'd rather be in cap hell than every go 1-31 ever again with half a decade straight of "most cap space".
He had 81 catches for 976 yards. His YPC was up over 3 yards per from his previous year in Miami. He had the same amount of yards on basically 30 less catches.
He's fine, anyone complaining about Landry is nit picking.
You can't actually be over the cap every single season.. or at all, for that matter. The league will just reject contracts at that point and eventually you have to release good players.
Not taking into account cap space is just silly talk.. you see it around the league a lot. Teams load up to win now (and usually don't) then have to jettison a bunch of good players a couple years down the road. End of window there. Meanwhile the Pats have been intelligently managing the cap going on 20 years now and that's a big part of their success. Keep and pay your core players. If someone's not essential or they want too much money, let them walk in free agency and get your comp pick.
Do we want to contend for two years, or twenty? It's an honest question.
About Landry.. I was always a fan of the acquisition. People hear overpaid and they freak out. The thing is though, this team wasn't very good. Energy was at an all-time low after the Clueless Hue Jackson debacle. We had to get some talent, character, and energy in here one way or another-- enter Jarvis Landry. You can't just sit on piles and piles of cap space, that much I agree with.
At a certain point in this team's development, there are going to be a LOT of good players and you can't pay them all $15m/year. Would you rather have Landry at $15mil a year or Julian Edelman at $5m/year (with the other $10million/year going to another really good player)?
That's kind of how you have to think when you want to build something sustainable.
Unless his salary is preventing us from doing things we need to do, then I don't think he's overpaid. JMHO
And that's the best way to look at it.
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Using the Pats is a terrible example. They have a QB married to a woman worth 180 million dollars. He is happily taking less than most QBs, that is an anomaly.
The Rams and Seahawks in recent memory are a more apt description of where the Browns are. Worrying about the cap is useless as a fan, I could not care less about the cap. We are STILL after OBJ, Jarvis, Vernon etc. top 5 in the league.
No I don't care about 20 years frankly. I'd rather cut players and deal with trying to resign our own than be 100m under the cap and losing. I do not care about the long term, I want to see a playoff game before I die.
Pats are a great example. 18 straight winning seasons with 9 AFC championships and 6 Lombardi trophies during that time. A lot of people look at them in disgust. I look at them and think about what they are doing and how it can be improved on.
You bring up the Rams and Seahawks, which is slightly amusing, as the Patriots beat those two teams for two of their last three Super Bowl wins. Last season, Tom Brady had a cap hit of $22 million... granted, less than the top earning QBs, but not by an astronomical amount. His discount might have allowed the Pats marginal upgrades at a couple other positions. Every little bit helps, but that is not the key to the Pats success.
Meanwhile, Goff's cap hit was $7.6 million. They were in the coveted position of having a franchise QB on a rookie deal. That team was completely loaded.. good young players, big free agent acquisitions, Aaron Donald might be the most dominant defensive lineman I've ever seen, brilliant young coach. Still lost. The Seahawks are barely even relevant anymore.
There is a lot of volatility in football. For example, we all know how important turnover differential is. Yet, recovering a fumble often just comes down to which way the ball bounces. QB gets injured or a key player gets suspended? Tough luck, next man up. It's football... stuff happens and you better be ready for it. For the Pats, you can say the tuck rule started it all... but then David Tyree put an end to a possible 19-0 season.
It balances out over the years. The key is to be in the thick of things, year in and year out, preferably on your home field and in the playoffs. It's not about loading up for one big run. It's about building an excellent team that can compete or even dominate year in and year out.
Once you get in the frame of mind that those couple huge free agent signings are going to put you over the edge from a 9 win team, you're probably going to start going backwards. Seen it happen too many times with teams like the Redskins, Raiders, and Cowboys. Meanwhile we have such better examples like the Pats (discussed above), Ravens (leaders in compensatory picks), Steelers (always seem to be able to re-sign their own for great team contracts, though this has bitten them a couple times recently with Bell and Brown) and others.
We're still in good shape cap wise. Hopefully that remains the case. Dorsey has actually done a really good job in that regard-- note that he stayed away from the stupid money given out at the start of free agency, a good example of what I am talking about. When he starts throwing around huge contracts to marginal players to "put us over the top", like some other teams have done during free agency, then I'll start to get worried. Until then, In Dorsey I trust.
I'm not going to get into his infamous incident, but from a football perspective, he's a great young player with a $1.1 million cap hit. Meanwhile, the Jets signed Le'Veon Bell-- older and a year out of football, for $13 million/year. Who got the better of things between those two teams?
One could say that Dorsey preferred the P.R. hit over the cap hit. That is oversimplifying things, but I do think there's some truth to it.
Actually, his wife's net worth is estimated at $400 Million, Toms is $180 Million.
Tom takes less (not much less) in order for the team to be able to afford to put pieces around him..
When it gets to that point, I'm thinking Mayfield will do the same or similar. At least I hope so
Actually, there's a lot of things that are key to the Patriots success. This might be one of them... However, many around like to laugh at analytics, but it's what's kept the Patriots as one of the best teams in the league for a long time.
They are masters of trading for good players that teams are looking to dump. For instance, Jason Mccourty last year and Michael Bennett this year. They're only giving up a 6th or 7th rd pick for very good player, whether they are aging too quick and lost a step or the previous team has a regime turnover and is dumping players... Patriots are masterful. The things they do that no other team seems to catch onto is amazing. Wouldn't you want to duplicate a franchise that has won for 20+ years? Quarterback has a lot to do with it, but as one wise man around here once said, you can't win with just a quarterback.
Watching Landry's top catches was fun. His hands are amazing. They are also very strong. There were a few catches where he just snatched the ball out of the defenders hands. Incredible hand strength while his body is contorted.
The Browns have the best WR unit in football according to many who are talking about it right now. I agree w/that assessment.
John Dorsey has done a magnificent job of putting talent around his young qb. Think back to just two years ago when our top WRs were Kenny Britt, Corey Coleman, and Ricardo Louis.
We now have OBJ, Landry, and Callaway. That's incredible!!!
Playing in the worst division in football for the last 20 years has been incredibly helpful as well. They have been banking on 5-6 wins every year from the horrid division. Only have to win half their remaining games and they generally lock up a bye. Sweet...
What is the point of this thread other than to try and fight people?
Show a video about VG I ain’t seen before and re-post some highlights i really like and talk about someone I really Iike and how AWESOME were gonna be ... taking a shot at Memphis and Device is just a bonus for me ...
I ain’t fighting no one in here other than possibly U, for your snarky ass comment ... but you’ll just run away Ike u always do and i ain’t fighting with myself ... *L* ... hardly read the menZas anymore ... not worth my time ..
Gonna post vids of OBJ and Bake and others over the next few days in here .... feel free not to come back ...
Nice post though ... glad you added your two cents ... ...
Watching Landry's top catches was fun. His hands are amazing. They are also very strong. There were a few catches where he just snatched the ball out of the defenders hands. Incredible hand strength while his body is contorted.
The Browns have the best WR unit in football according to many who are talking about it right now. I agree w/that assessment.
John Dorsey has done a magnificent job of putting talent around his young qb. Think back to just two years ago when our top WRs were Kenny Britt, Corey Coleman, and Ricardo Louis.
We now have OBJ, Landry, and Callaway. That's incredible!!!
We got talent out the ying yang on O ....
U combine the WR’s u mentioned and add Njoku, Higgins, Chubb, Hunt in week 9 and at this point Duke ... it’s UNFAIR ... *L* ...
Dorsey has given Bake an emberrasment of riches .... good luck defending us .... i wonder if the DC in Cinci regretting taking the job after we traded for OBJ ... ...
Strong,Ratley and Willies could be well above average recievers but we may not find out til they leave ...
The NFL 100 is just about the worst ranking available. I don’t know where Landry ranks and don’t really care, but using the NFL 100 as a reference point is not great.
the thing about the WR core theres depth. even if Landry or Beckham miss games,your still in good shape overall. yeah bringing out Britt Coleman and Louis has tanking written all over it. all 3 are without teams now for a good reason.
Playing in the worst division in football for the last 20 years has been incredibly helpful as well. They have been banking on 5-6 wins every year from the horrid division. Only have to win half their remaining games and they generally lock up a bye. Sweet...
The Pats win outside the AFC East at about the same rate as they do in the AFC East. This despite their two 'at large' games being against division winners almost every year.
Patriots win at same rate vs. rest of NFL as they do vs. AFC East By Tom E. Curran July 23, 2018 11:24 AM
In his Football Morning in America column, Peter King shined a light on how much better the Patriots have been since 2003 compared to the rest of the AFC East.
As King points out, the Patriots have gone 189-51 (.788 winning percentage) since 2003 while the Jets, Dolphins and Bills have won 109, 106 and 102 games, respectively, and have winning percentages of .454, .442 and .425.
King’s conclusion that the Patriots have been a crapton better than their divisional opponents for a 15 seasons is spot-on even if it isn’t a revelation.
But be careful of taking the next step and inferring that the Patriots have built that gaudy winning percentage because they’ve fattened up on the AFC East.
MORE TOM E. CURRAN
Are Pats fans wishing away the final years of a kicking savant? Because the Patriots have won at almost the exact same rate against the rest of the NFL as they have against their division.
The Patriots are 71-19 since 2003 in the AFC East. That’s a .788 winning percentage. Outside the division, they are 118-32 (.786).
So what are you going to use as a reference point?
Not a subjective player vote.
While I do get what you are saying, I think the players' subjective opinions might be a little more noteworthy than the subjective opinions of some people on a message board.
I'd probably have him slightly lower on the field, but the intangibles make 10 feel about right to me.
I can name quite a few worse receivers. Basically every receiver we've had outside of Gordon since the return seems a safe place to start.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Don't worry about it my friend. Some people can't wrap their minds around the fact that teams have a spending floor over I think a 3 season average, maybe a 4 season average, and rookies no longer get drafted and are one of, if not the highest paid player on the team.
In a year or so, Landry and Beckams contracts are going to look to be average in scale.
The plan was to pay for performance, not pay for potential, so it is what it is.
The scarce players are now those guys after their rookie contract who are good, but marginal players if you consider paying them big bucks v a rook contract.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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