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In terms of 2019 Cap Hit, he is currently the 10th highest cap hit among WRs in the league, BUT there are contracts about to get re-done (like Julio Jones) that will move him down that list.

He *is* expensive, especially when you look at what a Deandre Hopkins costs.... but only when you look at things RIGHT NOW. Also, I would say that it is more a case where Deandre is underpaid than it is where Jarvis is overpaid because when you look at some of the other WRs with similar hits to him, he outperformed many of them in 2018... Alshon Jeffrey, Allen Robinson, AJ Green, and Doug Baldwin being notable.

It is Year 2 of his contract; his Cap Hit next year will look smaller than it does now because other WRs will get new deals, and the year after that will look like a value signing by comparison. Additionally, the Cap will be going up.

He still looks expensive right now because we re-signed the one of the best WR's in the league to a long-term deal after we stole him from Miami. That was only one year ago, and what he was given was completely in-line with the going rates for a Top WR.

Beyond that, you are completely over-thinking it.
The Cap is Funny Money these days. It is WAY easier to work room into things than it was in 2002/2003 when we had to blow it all up after our failed run before Lerner died.

I was in the overpaid corner when the deal was first made, but I've changed my mind.

He's paid a lot, but he's provided a ton. Slot receivers are being paid more as their importance becomes more apparent. It's the reliable slot receiver that has been the constant that has helped make Tom Brady who he is.

Landry has provided leadership and much needed attitude on offense. He's made crazy plays for Baker, which one would think improved his confidence and helped the QB have the year he did. His take no prisoners approach is contagious.

With the salary cap likely to increase, his contract shouldn't be too onerous. One can also take into account the state of our team when he signed. He helped make Cleveland a place that free agents were more willing to come to. We're reaping some of the rewards now with guys like Richardson and OBJ. I don't see Beckham even being on our radar if Landry hadn't been here.

You also have to take into account that Miami had tagged him. He was getting almost $16 million on it. There was little (no) incentive on his side to play for less. Tyrod Taylor was our starting QB when he signed the new contract and we had a history of failed drafted QBs. His top complimentary receiver was either Callaway who hadn't played the year before or Higgins (I suppose Gordon might have still been in the picture but with his baggage.) ...If Callaway was even in the picture when he signed-I suck at chronology.

See, your perspective is the proof is in the pudding. You had an opinion but were objective enough to change that opinion as the evidence came forth.

Some people can have their face burried in the pudding and still not see it.

Also, taking everything I said with a grain of salt, I feel that starting next year we will take WRs in the Draft with an eye toward grooming replacements for the possibility of Landry, Callaway, or OBJ leaving in a few years. That's too far off to think about, however, but we could find ourselves in a position where we aren't able to re-sign one of them AND Baker, Chubb, Garrett, etc... their cap hits until then, however, are immaterial.

The interesting thing is that the evidence supports what I'm saying. I would be more than happy to change my opinion if the evidence proved otherwise.


Around here, if people don't agree with you, insult them.

Like who?

I didn't insult anyone. But let's take a look at how some of the things you say don't match up so well with other things you say.......

We both agree that when Hue was given the opportunity with some actual talent, he failed miserably. This team did terrible the first half of the season. Tyrod Taylor stunk and the passing game was putrid when he was playing.

Then you turn around, after saying all of that and try to use his stats from last year as some gauge to his production?

Nah, not buying it. You can't have it both ways Bud.

Lol! You're talking about me having it both ways... that's hysterical.


You're the one who is trying to convince everyone that Duke was utilized less after Kitchens took over as the OC. Thus, you consider him expendable and not great...


Landry w/Hue: 94 targets, 49 catches
Landry w/Kitchens: 55 targets, 32 catches


I can't have it both ways... good one!

All of them.

I have to admit, the spins you guys are making are great!

Not even remotely valid; and rather than spouting empty rhetoric, I've already shown that his production is right in line with his cost.... and that doesn't even begin to factor in his impact on the roster and culture in Cleveland, which is undeniable.

When a guy tries to compare your #1 WR to your 3rd string RB that speaks loudly of the desperation.

I don't think his production is anywhere near his cost. That's the issue.

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It's not a matter of think or belief.
Look at the production of those whose cap hit is similar to his. Of those earning similar to him, his production is on-par or better than many of them - as I've already noted above.

His earnings are very much in-line with his role AND his production.

j/c:

I enjoyed the Baker highlight video. He has so many "pure" throws. I love how he can throw the ball on a line w/perfect accuracy. It does not give the defenders much time to break on the ball.

Now, combine those types of throws w/some of OBJ's highlights. I'm talking about the ones over the intermediate middle where he splits between the corner and safety and then outruns everyone.

It's going to be sweet.

It was stated somewhere that about 50% of OBJ's targets last year were accurate. Can you imagine what his production will be with a QB that has accuracy?

It's going to be fun, bro!

We have two stud wide receivers in OBJ and Landry. Both are excellent route runners, have great hands, hard workers, and passionate. Callaway and Higgins are good 3rd and 4th receivers.

We have an accurate qb who has a lot of moxie and a plus arm.

We have two excellent RBs who can take it to the house on any given play.

Our TE is a great athlete. He's just too inconsistent. However, we really don't need him to be consistent. We just need to have make some big plays and he is capable of that.

It's going to be awesome!!!

I think it would be wise if we concentrate on all the good that Dorsey is done than listen to the whining of those who are crying because Sashi isn't here.

I would find it hard to believe that Dorsey would have so aggressively pursued OBJ if Landry weren't on the roster. Former teammates, calming influence, "family". For me that offsets the "high" price Landry costs. Sort of "the sum is greater than the individual parts." We shall see.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Ok. His production doesn't match his cost. I think he is overpaid.

Will that work for ya?

He is also one of the big reasons OBJ is excited about playing here.. what's that worth?

I can think of 90 million reasons why OBJ should be happy to play football anywhere.

Refs please step in here.


How much Diam's butt is getting paid belongs in the smack shack.

LMAO

As a Fan that pays for tickets,parking,food,drinks and other miscellaneous gear... I feel they are all overpaid.

I am scheduled to be fitted for a blazer on Saturday morning 10 a.m. It will run all of that and more.

It's always worth it.

I might not be the best looking guy in the room, but I sure as hell can be the best dressed....and by reactions anywhere, I know I am not a ugly dude. I still get the smile and that twinkle in the eye, be it 45 and up year old women, as it should be, I would be afraid of a 25 year old.

So, any free agent wr that's got a lower pricetag than Landry would be more valuable to the team?

Kenny Britt was available last year after NE cut him. We should have got that guy.

With price tag being the primary evaluation point, Britt would have been money well spent. He would have filled the roster spot, and not cost as much...

...but what a great way to go. Who wants to die with their boots on....

Reminds me of an old Playboy cartoon.. A Medical Examiner in a Brothel, examining an "expired" patient, stating "He had the unique experience of coming and going at the same time."

As a fan, I wouldn't disagree.

If it were up to them we would never have nice things.

I will PM you. Tired of the nonsense.

Man. This argument has been going on since he was signed... It's like people can't see the forest through the trees. He was the first signing to start to bring legitimacy to the "rebuild". He's come in here and busted his rump, wore his heart on his sleeve when it comes to "team". Told the rest of the WR room to "buck-up or get out". AND performed on the field every given Sunday.

What more do you want???

Funny thing is, when and if we have the gift of retrospect with some hardware in the trophy case, it will all point back to signing "Vice Grips". The work ethic, the attitude, the fact that he meshed with Baker immediately and helped lure HOF type talent to a team on the rise.

Overpaid? Worth his weight in GOLD.

I'm surprised that folks don't know the reason behind the complaints. Just read the other posts across the football forums of those complaining about Landry. It's really simple to figure out the logic [sic] behind their complaints.

There are only posters that i recall.