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And why do you think Beckham would be treated differently?

Baker thrives off the attention too. It’s a symbiotic relationship.

I think that is a fair response. Just to be clear.......I do not think what Baker said is a big deal. I just think he needs to mature in this area a bit. Not a big deal. I do think that the reaction would be made into a big deal had OBJ said it.

I point these things out so that a certain faction of our population realize not all of us are like that.

Guess.

j/c

Off topic, but couple things....

If OBJ would have commented to Cowherd like Baker did I would have loved it.

I don't think Baker thrives off attention. I think he feeds off people telling him he can't or won't. I also think he likes to have fun.

However, I think when you're told as many times as Baker has been told that you're not good enough, you get an edge. Baker has an edge and plays off that edge.

I don't consider him commenting on social media as being immature. It's just how the world communicates today as opposed to yesteryear. I'm not going to win this argument because people will say he's immature his entire career. It's all relative.

I think people have stereotyped boisterous people as being immature and egotistical. I really don't think of Baker being either. Deep down I think he's a really humble guy.

People are going to tell Baker to "cool it" for his entire career, including some of his own fans, and he's just going to keep being Baker.

His personality is what makes him a super star. Not everyone is going to like it. And not everyone is going to care. If you don't embrace him, you will never like him. We could win a dozen super bowls with him and some fans will still wish he would change.

I've dreamt of having a quarterback who could walk the talk. We finally have one that's even better.

sooo.. yea.. Morgan Burnett..

Hard to evaluate at this point in time.

He has negatives:

--Didn't play very well in Pittsburgh last year.
--Getting older and maybe has slipped a bit.

Positives:

--Has performed well in the past.
--Good in-the-box.
--Good tackler.

Miscellaneous:
--Played out of position a lot last year.

Summary:

An upgrade over Kindred, but not a long-term solution. Might be used in combination w/Murray because the latter is better in pass coverage at this point in time. We'll probably be looking for a SS in the draft or in FA next year.

Is this the guy that Baker faced on his show and basically shut him up? I think it is..

Baker made him look like a fool

Believe your own eyes and ears. Haslam doesn't act like or appear like a control freak.. Neither does Dorsey. Baker isn't a little baby and if I'm any good at all reading people, OBJ was probably stunned at the trade, but seems to be happy after some thought.

That's what my eyes and ears tell me. I don't need a guy like this trying to tell me anything.

He says he has a source in the Browns.. So do I,,,,Well, really I don't, but I can say that if I wanna and you can't tell me that I don't.

When he names his source and that source can be questioned, then and only then can what this guy says be taken seriously.

I agree with most of what you're saying. I kind of think that one point deserves a closer look, though.

Did he really play out of position?

It looked a lot like the same way he was used in Green Bay to me. They used him almost as an Urlacher-style cover-2 mike at times up there.

I wouldn't be surprised if we used him in that role, too.

I think he was more hurt by the injury and lack of PT than the way he was used. Pitt did draft a rookie early that fit the same role and was younger, faster, and cheaper. We might actually be taking a similar path with him, but he could hold him off longer with some luck on the injury front.

If healthy and hasn't lost too much athleticism, Burnett should be a solid player for us. His veteran savvy is something that gives him an edge in many situations. He might not make a ton of highlight plays, but he should give us a lot of smart, unselfish plays.

I have to question whether Cowherd has any sources at all. Would anyone with a lick of sense tell this guy anything so he can put his BS spin on it?

"Word IS" his source is Roger Brown

I can only go by what is said in the media. If that's true I hope we didn't sign this guy under deceptive pretext. He clearly said that he wants to play the safety position. If we don't intend to use him in that role, if we misled him to believe that we would do so, that's a problem.

I don't have any reason to believe that Dorsey operates that way.

So, I think he'll have an opportunity to play safety. I think it's possible that we don't take a safety particularly high in the draft. Yes, I think we draft one but possibly later than we would have before signing Burnett. I think we address corner before safety.

Cowherd makes his living off of getting people to listen to him. So when a lot of people are getting on the Browns bandwagon and predicting good things for the team, he says the opposite. This attracts attention. If he said the Browns will win the AFCN then he is just another guy saying what a lot of others are saying.

Exactly.

Oh, I think we'll use Burnett at Safety, too. Just that we'll use him in the same spots those other teams did as well.

As far as CB or safety first, I tend to see it the other way. The CB class looks deeper. Depends who is on the board, though.

PFF tracks those stats.

And yes, Burnett played a higher % @LB, than he did lined up @SS in 2018.

I think that we are looking for a more traditional cover 3 SS.

If a player is unhappy in the role he is being used, then it only stands to reason imo, that you will probably not be getting the best out of that player.

The only reason (imo) why the accusation of Burnett is not a slam dunk! ... is due to his age, but what he might have lost in speed, he makes up for with his instincts and experiance.

I would have liked to have kept Peppers, because of his upside in that he is just coming into his own, but for the immediate future Morgan Burnett will crevice and he will not be a liability to our defense.
He is just not a long term solution ... If there is such a thing @SS today.

I think Cowherd actually really likes / respects Baker. Maybe not initially but after Baker owned him on his own show after the draft last year and then broke the rookie TD record, how could he not?

They both know that their feud is good for their respective brands.

Cowherd is just taking a contrarian angle on a hot NFL topic (The Browns ). It's a pure ratings play. Both Baker and Cowherd know that.

Baker is asserting himself as a leader by coming at Cowherd. He HAS to.

You think Odell doesn't respect that? You think Eli would have done that for Odell?

Crappy report.

I do not trust his sentiment; he has always had snarky and snide Browns commentary; media cheap shots. I don't know his source, if one exists, so I don't trust it any more than MKC. And if he had a source, I do not trust his judgment. Just seems like ginned up artificial controversy for the sake of hearing yourself at length, right or wrong, while you mansplain loudly to the audience you insult as you lord it over them. About as good as his network can do apparently. Beats covering real stories. Can this nonsense.

I've only ever heard Cowherd trash Baker - even when BM was doing great. I think Cowherd is a talentless turd who has more intellect and vocabulary than Skip Bayless - but is the same contrived hack who simply tries to get reactions based on 'alternative' takes. Like Skip I simply switch Colin off since to listen to him and react is all that he wants.

All of what I've read has been that Dorsey is not willing to throw long term money at any of the remaining FA's. This is likely why Boston is still a FA, him and his agent are delusional. From what I've read, Boston has had many offers and keep turning them down.

Sentence two is why sentence one doesn't matter.
Cowherd may actually really like Baker, but you aren't likely to hear that when the microphones are turned off because that doesn't trigger people; that doesn't get people talking about him, his show, his opinions.

There's no such thing as bad publicity.

Cowherd knows how popular Baker is, he is a shock jock.

With that said, Cowherd isn’t wrong to speculate “What if” this all blows up…..let’s not act like that is beyond the realm of possibility. OBJ’s antics born from frustration out of losing are the REASON he is in Cleveland.

I would guess 80% to 20% chance this will not blow up with all the talent on this team especially at QB!!! Baker is as good a leader as I have ever seen ...

J/C

On Bakers comments about CC - Baker had two options, 1. He could have stayed quite, and possibly let OBJ say something making it more than it would have been, IMO, or 2. He could be a leader and step up right away, showing OBJ that Baker will have his back.

I don't think some realize that the team LOVES BAKER. Remember that no call late hit last year, when Jarvis went crazy and then instantly other browns ran over to get baker and have HIS back. This is why that happened. They know Baker has THEIR back.


As far as Burnett, I think Kindred was a better player and younger. This baffles me we would let him go and sign Burnett.

It amazes me how these days that engaging in smack talk has become a sign of leadership.

There have always been different kinds of leadership.

Based on early results, Baker might be the kind we needed.

I don't really have a problem with him doing it so much as people really need to understand that smack talking back and forth with CC isn't providing your team with leadership.

There's no doubt that Baker is the leader of this team. That our players will go above and beyond for him. He's certainly the QB this team needed.

But I'd bet any amount of money that whether he smack talks with Cowherd would have zero impact on that.

I don't know that I would consider it "smack." I would probably put it more under the "sticking up for a teammate" file.

While Colin Cowherd doesn't wear Orange and Brown, and, thus, doesn't matter, OBJ does. Baker's a guy who speaks his mind and will stick up for his guys. I don't think Baker wasted a lot of time thinking/worrying about it.

If he feels the need for more fuel at some point, Baker might reflect on Cowherd later, briefly.

In a "Twitter world", not dealing with things like this only leads to more distractions as Cowherd's BS "stories grow legs." Say your piece and move on is more or less what Baker did, I think.

Would you agree that "smack talk" vs a national media figure in the offseason and "smack talk" with an opposing player on next weeks schedule are two totally different things?

Yes. In one case it's pretty much limited between the two cities of the opposing teams. In the other case it gets coverage on a much larger scale.

Cowherd is a talking head. A wannabe Jim Rome. When Baker makes comments towards him he's playing right into Cowherd's hands. He's feeding Cowherd's audience and Cowherds ability to make himself look important.

He's helping Cowherd and gains nothing in return.

Its not "smack talk". Coward attacked a teammate and baker responded showing how he had his back.

Maybe next time they should just "stay off my lawn"

Maybe the next time Baker shouldn't feed the troll.

Im curious, how many of his teammates feel that way, or feel he had OBJ's back. I pretty sure their opinion is what matters, not yours.

Maybe you should go to training camp and take a poll and get back to me. Like they would say anything negative about it even if they disagreed.

You see, the QB is the leader of your team. He leads by example. The example here? Any time someone says something negative about you or your team mates, attack. Draw attention away from the game and to social media and the media in general. Feed the media trolls.

I'm indifferent.

The Cowherd/Baker saga reminds me of some of the posts you make because you're just trying to solicit a response. Shame on me because I keep feeding you, I reckon.

j/c;

and THAT is all that matters.

We all have our thoughts and opinions, but in the end it is THEIR thoughts and opinions that matters. Ours do not.