DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Attorney General William Barr said today a redacted version of Mueller’s report within the week.

All well and done legally, professionally and logically.

But you and I both know it will not satisfy the tin foil hat brigade around here.

Twitter is way worse.

That last one is funny.

We'll see.. I see no reason to redact anything if all your doing is showing it to Congress. They actually all have higher clearances (and deserve them) than Trump and Kushner.

The reasons are listed in the OP and seem very reasonable to me.

One thing people may wish to consider. Barr could easily get the judges to release the grand jury testimony and include it in the report if he so chose to.

I honestly don't care either way, if Trump were found guilty and impeached I would have thought it was what he deserved. The entirety of my interest in all of this is simple that the US media, intelligence officials and sitting member of congress outright told us there was factual evidence of this. How the left is not outraged by this peeves me to no end. Even worse, they seem to be doubling down on the word of said liars.

I'm not sure how many of "they" that are left. And I understand your position.

At the same time I find it hilarious that many on the right think that if you're investigating someone over one possible crime, you should just ignore any evidence you may find involving other possible crimes. That's not how prosecutors work on any level, anywhere.

Then they have the nerve to call an investigation that was set up by a Republican, who appointed a Republican prosecutor, a "Democratic witch hunt".

I hate to break it to people, but when you're under investigation, if the find anything that can be deemed as another possible crime, it will be investigated. That's not a witch hunt. That's how prosecutors do business.

Yup, we’re in the beginnings of a dictatorship.

trump and his cowardly sheep actually think the middle class American tax payer is expected to gladly pay for a report they’ll never get to read.

Today, Putin is on the News laughing at us and saying the Mueller Probe was complete nonsense and it validated Russia's repeated denials about Collusion with the Trump campaign.

Shame on us.

Yeah, shame on us for locking up Manafort and trump’s fixer’s. Only a dictatorship would let those guys off the hook. So we’ll see what happens.

Had nothing to do with Russia or Collusion but nice try anyway.

The World is laughing at us.
Shame.

some don't have the brain capacity to realize what "no American colluded with Russia" means. Its almost like saying 12% is somehow =/> to 25%

I have been reading you and BpG trying to explain it to them, yell it at them, and finally laughing at them about it and my hat is off to you guys.

So you mean to say that Putin is on the same side as Trump is..... again!?

Yes, shame on us indeed.

I think Barr and many others in the Trump admin have down right belligerent in their attitudes and cooperation with Congress. This unofficial presidential executive privilege (refusing to answer questions) needs to be taken to the mat. Congress should start holding them in contempt and put their asses in a cell overnight.

This Congress has earned all the respect it deserves from this Administration.

#Resist!

This administration only respects those that kiss the ass of Trump.

I'm pretty sure you're on their respect list.

I regularly talk to friends in several countries and they've been laughing at us since Trump got elected. So, technically you are correct, but not for the reasons you think.

Funny. My family over in the UK wishes they had someone more like Trump, seeing as they can't even get Brexit done, after a majority of people voted for it.

Interesting, quite the opposite from my friends in the UK. Thought they thought Brexit was a bad idea and those that voted for it are getting the mess they asked for. (paraphrasing)

I lived in England for 30 years ... I have a LOT of friends in England. I have a ton of immediate family in England ..... I know exactly ONE person out of hundreds and hundreds that I have spoken to who 'supports' Trump. Everyone else to a man thinks Trump is a moron and a buffoon. This is a factually accurate statement of my experience - no hyperbole. I also work with many Europeans who visit here - and I have visited EU for work .... 90%+ snicker at Trump.

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-07-12/77-o...isit-to-the-uk/

Funny but Trump doesn't care what they think of him as long as they pay their portion of NATO defense and stop ripping us off with Tariffs.

Fixed that

That wasn't the discussion. However with that said - your point about NATO is half true. NATO country spending was trending up before Trump took office. As for Europe ripping the USA off with tariffs ... you'll have to provide some evidence, you don't get to parrot Trump and expect us to accept his lies and propaganda.

Sure, I thought this was common knowledge.
#1
NATO chief, in speech to Congress, declares Trump's push for more defense spending is working

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, in a historic address to Congress, declared Wednesday that President Trump’s push for NATO allies to increase their defense spending has “had an impact” and made the alliance stronger.

“Allies must spend more on defense. This has been the clear message from President Trump,” he said. “And this message is having a real impact.”

You can listen to his speech here...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nato-ch...ding-is-working

#2
Europe charges a wide range of tariffs on our goods.
Differing duties, ranging from 1-3% for basic goods, such as raw materials, and 30% for goods like clothes and shoes.
The US duty on raw tobacco is 350% and over 130% for peanuts.
Europe charges 10% on cars from America.
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/20...s%20tariffs.pdf

As I said - #1` is a half truth. Spending was increasing before Trump took office. His focus on spending has also had an impact....

#2 - they have Tariffs. Shocker. You said they were ripping us off ... you have not provided any substance to that claim. What you did do is quote the US tariff charges the EU on importing Tabaco -350%- and Peanuts -130%- and omitted the 14% the US charges for train carriages (from your same article).!!!

Other interesting articles:

https://www.businessinsider.com/americas-biggest-tariffs-2010-9

http://www.minyanville.com/trading-and-i...5/2012/id/42412

https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/07/news/economy/trump-tariffs-trade-us-eu/index.html

Of course they do,,, you want to hide from the light of day.. You don't want the president or his team to be guilty so you would naturally be willing to overlook things.

You are entering full on troll territory. Overlook things? You mean like the 2 year investigation that you've overlooked since the results came out? The one you refuse to accept?

Or am I overlooking the fact thet that two year investigation did not charge ONE American with Conspiracy or Collusion?
The FACT that Barr testified that he thought he had made it very clear that there was also no obstruction? Stating AND I QUOTE "The letter speaks for itself".


Disregard the Tweet from that ridiculous source and LISTEN to Barr's testimony on CSPAN.





Exactly what am I overlooking?

You are overlooking that Barr is a Trump guy.. He's doing for trump what Sessions wouldn't do. Sessions wouldn't do Trumps bidding like this guy.

You are overlooking the simple fact that Barr's word is all you got. You haven't seen the entire report.

I have to believe that if that Mueller report would clear Trump and his minions, it would be being read on FOX news every half hour by now.

Fixed it for you. . . .

Why are Trump, Republicans, the AG and all Trumps Minions trying so hard to fight the release of a document that will completely exonerate him?

Yes, as you say, Barr could be a Trump guy.

Trouble is you are not looking at the fact that both Rosenstein and Muller are working with Barr, helping him to get the facts out and they are not Trump guys. Far from it.

They would be squealing to the Press if Barr was pulling any shenanigans.

umm, they did squeal to the press, thats how we found out that the mueller team had their own summaries of the investigation, as well as express disappointment with how barr characterized the investigation.

somebody hasn't been paying attention. also, the report did NOT exonerate him on obstruction. even Barr wrote that, so MAGA hatters and Trump claiming it does is a blatant lie.

No, Mueller did not squeal to the Press, have we learned nothing about the Press and their unnamed sources?

Mueller presented the evidence on obstruction to Barr and Rosenstein for their decision on what to do because he didn't have enough to prosecute. They, TOGETHER, decided there was no obstruction.

How can you obstruct justice when there is no crime to obstruct?

Wake up and leave your emotions in bed!

there's no crime in collusion.

but trump could've been trying to obstruct for his other dealings.

for example, and i laid this out before. i believe mueller's report that trump didn't conspire with the russians. but with this moscow tower nonsense, this could easily be a case where trump was using the campaign to pursue business dealings because he probably thought there's no way in hell he's gonna win....and then he won. so he tried shutting up people investigating him because they were gonna find out the deals he was trying to pursue.

thats quite feasible. and the american people have an absolute right to know what sort of crap trump was pulling behind the scenes, and why.

because if the report completely cleared him from obstruction, barr's summary would've stated as such. it didn't.