DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Ohio Senate passes ‘heartbeat’ abortion ban

So they can choose to kill a baby with a heartbeat, that sounds so much better.

I don't protest decisions by the SCOTUS either way. I don't use my vote to try to stack the SCOTUS either way. I realize that life or death decisions concerning healthcare and the environment also have just as deadly consequences for what could be millions of people.

So there's nothing I can do about their decisions. And many of their decisions can impact a multitude of life and death decisions. I don't really focus on one over the other.

I mean if the planet is destroyed, what difference will abortion make?

As for me, and me only bro. I don't protest decisions either. Never have and I don't think I ever will. But I do try to stack my individual vote, Hell the other side does it all day long every day. Why should I give up just because they don't agree with me?

Now what difference will it all make if the planet is destroyed???? We can answer God when he asks us that question (if he does) But as for me I want to be able to give him a honest answer that I tried to save the innocent Children rather than oh crap who cares.

And I understand your position. For me it's just hard to place it in order of priority. One side seems intent on protecting the fetus and letting the planet go to hell. The other side doesn't seem to want to protect the fetus but wants to keep the planet alive so all of mankind will live.

So that, "oh crap who cares" isn't necessarily a one way street.

Our talking about should a baby live or be murdered has zero to do with should we keep the planet alive

Really? But in today's politics you can only vote to support one or the other. So you're saying that supporting that all of mankind, even babies be able to continue to live has no bearing in the conversation? Because isn't the issue the right to life?

Come on GM, you know that the right for all of mankind be able to live is very much a part of this conversation. I guess murdering all of mankind is the better option?

You see bro I am still and will always be an optimist. I can hold out hope that one side or the other will run a candidate who thinks with their heart instead of worrying about lying to please SOMEBODY. You can call me crazy for that and I won't argue a bit, but I will continue to pray that at least ONE side comes to their senses and I don't really care with party it is as I agree and disagree with both of them.

BTW you know I don't even agree with the death sentence, so I sure as hell don't agree with killing everybody.

I know you don't. But if over 95% of scientists are correct, that's what it all boils down to.

We disagree on that also bro I do believe man is speeding up global warming (without a doubt) BUT I believe it is going to happen no matter what we do just as it always has. IMO what is the difference if it effects us in 200 years or 300 years???? It is going to happen regardless IMO

I guess then it must fall under the "oh crap who cares" tent.

NNAA I want to see us come up with new forms of energy that are safer or less damaging. I just don't want to see the country go overboard trying.

And see, that's where we pretty much agree. How far and how fast we may differ somewhat, but the idea of the New Green Deal and trying to do in ten years is just crazy. There's a middle ground somewhere but that doesn't exist in politics these days.

I think the push for a NGD is exactly what should be happening right now. Here's why:

1. No proposal ever gets signed into law in its original incarnation.
2. Ambitious initiatives such as this serve more to move the needle than act as an exact template for radical change.
3. The speed at which change occurs is relative. The negotiated steps toward change will not come close to what AOC and others are proposing, but here's my main point: anything that lights a fire under D.C. to make things cleaner/more efficient/better will be a welcome change from the snail's pace we have now.

The 'middle ground' you mention happens all the time. In this instance it will take the form of change, but on a longer time frame than 10 years. That's the compromise this time. Pit gets his 'middle ground;' Clem gets his forward direction.

win/win

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I certainly see your point. And it's a valid point. Yet at the same time if you're running for president you have to have a platform that will be realistic to voters.

Three mid western states were lost by a combined vote total of 107,000 votes. Less than 0.57% of the vote. This decided the election. Florida and Minnesota were won by Trump by less than 2%.

Now I understand that when you propose a bill you aim high in order to settle in a matter of compromise. But let me pose this to you.....

When you're running for the office of president, you have to have a platform that will appeal to voters across the spectrum. You won't win by catering to people in New York, California and other liberal strongholds. You won't get more electoral votes by winning those states by a wider margin.

You have to quit making those voters the democrats have seemingly ignored feel left out by saying they're fat and stupid. (This is actually paraphrasing something Pete Buttigieg said on Bill Maher) You have to give them some type of moderate approach that makes some sense to them. Not some extreme liberal platform they can't relate to.

The New Green Deal is too much too fast to garner such support from the very people you need to win such an election.

I don't disagree with your point, but it does move the goal posts I was kicking through.

My comments were specifically in regards to congressional policy. You know- how the sausage is made?

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I think anyone running for office should be smart enough to know how much Green policy to embrace without alienating potential centrist voters, while letting folks like AOC hash out the dirty details in committee.

Sounds like we're pretty much on the same page here.

Looks like the House s going to pass it.

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2019/04/heartbeat-abortion-bill-today-what-you-need-to-know.html

I hope they DO pass it! Ohio women will flock to the dems in hordes!

Maybe..... like I said before I know more woman who are against abortion than those are for it. However if it passes and this goes to the Supreme Court as it stands today I think it will pass.

Just saw some GOPer in Texas put up a bill that would make getting an abortion a felony requiring the death penalty... INSANE.

GOP Texas lawmaker reintroduces bill to allow death penalty for women who have abortions

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...ath-penalty-for

I doubt it. The ones who would be most upset are already democrats, a lot of younger women would be upset but we've been waiting for this "young vote" to turn out for decades and it hasn't happened...

There is a generation of older women that fought for women's rights. Most of them won't like this even if they don't personally approve of abortion.

Good, you are speaking on behalf of old women now... I know more than a few older women who are, quite honestly, disgusted with what "feminism" has turned into..

Let me just say I am 110 percent against that. IMO that is worse than having an abortion

This is an issue that is more important than votes or money.

We must protect the innocent until their voice has developed enough to speak for themselves.

I recently saw a man who was the survivor of a late term abortion who said he was certainly happy to be alive. He glanced at his empty shirtsleeve and said he believes the procedure cost him his arm but he is happy to be here.

There are also a lot of them who fought for their children and are repulsed by abortion.

Wrong again Obi Wan...

The bill would make it a felony.. which is potentially punishable by the death penalty..

Don't get me wrong, I think it's an idiot bill.. but you went from homicide with a very very slim chance of the death penalty to the death penalty being REQUIRED in one short misguided post... that's how these sensationalized headlines work.

Yes it is and I put my mouth where my money WASN'T. I knew damn well my vote for Trump would cost me money which I can not afford to lose. But I did it anyway because this is more important to me than money. Give me a choice between living another 1, 2, 5 or 10 years, and saving 1,2, 5, or 10 babies and I think you all know my choice. Can those who support abortion say the same???

I know you believe this wholeheartedly too bro, since I saw you protesting the child separations at the border, demanding the low income children's food programs be funded, and being so vocal about early education for all!

Just like Trump who lies so much that nobody would recognize truth coming from his/your mouth.

of course the conservative lynching show moved on from witches to abortion. any means necessary to show dominance over women.

If a 16 year old wanted to adopt a baby the law would not allow it. She’s not finished with her education. She’s not mentally or emotionally mature enough. She’s not financially stable enough. Shes not a legal adult. Everything points to... she’s not ready.
We all can recognize that it would be irresponsible of the government to allow such a thing. An injustice to the infant and the 16 year old.
But if she gets pregnant, you’ll force her to have the kid.

Awesome world you’re creating.

It was wrong for her to get pregnant.
It is wrong to kill the child she carries.
2 wrongs won't make it right.

So punish the 16 year old with a life sentence of raising a child she’s unprepared to raise?
Punish the baby for being born to a child mother?
You’re correct. Two wrongs don’t make it right.

She has many options other than killing her child.
She doesn't even have to raise it.
Punishing the baby by killing it is worse.
We are not vampires.

j/c:

I am wondering if I am imagining things. I see things. I respond to them. I come back to them and they are all gone. Is the definition of insanity?

Tylenol is your friend.

Things that make me go hmmmm...

Not one of you antiabortion honks were here telling your story...
https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1606641/adoption#Post1606641

More deleted posts? I get that all the time too. But mine is mostly for demoralizing somebody on Team Trump as harsh as possible without breaking forum rules.

My sister in law was 16 when she had had my oldest niece. She is the best mother I have ever come across on this earth, next to my wife of course