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Congrats to her. But let’s be real about the actual statistics here. Do you really feel 16 year olds should be parenting?
Glad it worked out for her. I’d have been an awful parent at 16. As would have damn near anyone I new at 16.

I would say its a case by case situation.

I am for abortion in certain instances, but not because someone wants to use it as a form of birth control.

And don't give me the "no one does" crap. I know multiple women who do and have.

To the few that use it this way, I agree, it’s awful. Frankly, for those people that use it that way, I don’t want them having kids. They’re awful people that make crappy life choices. Having kids is likely the last thing they should be doing.
Personally I wish every boy were given a vasectomy at 15. They can reverse it when their ready to breed. Problem solved.

Honest questions. Your sister in law was a mom at 16. By your brother? Or from a previous boy? If previous boy, where’s that boy now? My assumption is that your 16 year old sister in law had a lot of family support. Do you feel that most pregnant 16 year olds have such built in support systems and stability?
Again, going back to my adoption question, would the law allow a 16 year old to adopt? Why?
...Exactly.

that's interesting take...

Or, as parents we can teach our kids responsibility.

In my sister in laws case (her parents didn't). Now before you say my parents didn't teach my brother - my "niece" is not my biological niece. My sister in law was pregnant at 16 with someone else. My brother - raised my niece when he was 19 and she was three as his own.

Her parents let her do whatever she wanted, when she wanted - she says that all the time.

It wasn't until she became a mother that she realized she needed to become a more responsible person.

Now, obviously this is only pertaining to teenage pregnancy. But a big portion of teenage pregnancy is reasonability BEFOREHAND. That goes for boys and girls.

I couldn't tell you how many friends I had in HS, who thought girls couldn't get pregnant on their cycle. smh.

This conversation could go down a different road - as far as our education system etc. But the fact remains - the parents are the ones to teach kids responsibility first and foremost.

As I stated, I have no issue in aspects of certain instances of abortion. Rape, incest, physical health of the mother. But I am completely against it simply because the baby might have down syndrome, etc.

I am not religious, so my feelings have no religious backings or anything like that. Its just what I feel and my opinion.

"If you have fun making it, your gonna have fun raising it" is what my dad used to tell us. I was 30 when my son was born, at 30 years old, stable income, a home of my own, two cars, a motorcycle, etc., I was still not ready for the challenges of being a father. No one is "ever ready" to be a parent. So when I hear that excuse "im not ready" I just laugh. No one is. But the second you see that beautiful little face come out, and you hold that little guy/girl in your arms - you get ready. You adapt to your insecurities, you overcome your fears, and you be a parent.

I am 1 of 4 boys, my father worked at a warehouse during the day, and a convenient store at night when I was born. My mother didn't work. They easily could have had "we cannot provide" excuse. But they didn't. They had us all, loved us all, and they both worked their tails off to become VERY successful as time went on. That excuse don't work with me.

I answered this a bit in my last post.

But go deeper, they had 0 support from her parents. They were garbage parents. In fact, they kicked her our the house with the baby when she was three. (that's when my brother and her moved in together.)

My brother at that time - refused to take any money from my parents and he worked two jobs to provide for them. He had support from them, but refused - because he felt it was his responsibility to provide for his adopted daughter and wife.

As far as the 16 year old adopting - that's a stupid scenario because 16 year olds are not able to be in a legally binding contract. So I am not sure what your point is.

But the 16 year old can easily put a child up for adoption, instead of killing a baby.

So we agree a 16 year old isn’t mature enough to be locked in a legally binding contract... but you still think they’re mature enough to raise a child. That’s where we run into a conundrum for me.
And yes, adoption. Sounds great... until you look at the overloaded foster system in this country and see what happens to most of these ‘unwanted’ children. Or see where those unwanted came from. Also note my link I posted that goes back to the thread on adoption. Where’s the antiabortion crew there? Notice also, and this is in no way meant to be disparaging, those that did adopt adopted from out of the country. Not native born kids. Was just something I noticed. (To those that did adopt, from anywhere on the globe, I commend you. You’re doing the Lord’s work.)

Look. I hate the idea of abortion. I’ve never been faced with it. Not because I was always making good decisions either. I got lucky frankly. I was raised in a house that taught personal responsibility. Accountability. Self control. Yet when I was in my 20’s, back from a bar with a girl, a little drunk...or a lot... all those lessons kinda got pushed to the back of mind. Let’s just say it’s easy to not let your ‘big head’ do your thinking. Anyway... I got lucky I didn’t have a kid in those years.
I look around and realize I don’t have a lot faith in most people to do the right thing. Sadly I feel that in most aspects of life.
So we can preach responsibility until we’re blue in the face but it’s not going to change the reality of the world around us. Look at your sister in law’s parents as an example. Yes your sister in law overcame but how many don’t. Far more.
I have a friend that fosters. The stories she tells are horrific. The children are often badly damaged emotionally and psychologically.
I’m a pragmatist. Ending abortion will not end well for this society. JMHO

Your putting words in my mouth I didn't say. I said the GOVERMENT doesn't believe they are old enough. I already gave you a case where my sister in law was. That's one. I want to have a good conversation with you about this, but putting words in my mouth or twisting things will end that.

There are literally millions of families that want to adopt, and simply cannot because of cost and red tape created by bureaucrats to ooze every penny they can out of people wanting to adopt. I have a friend that has been trying to adopt for years, they both have stable good paying jobs, never been in trouble, and are your "all American couple" but they need to come up with a 10's of thousands of dollars, and have crazy stipulations to meet before they can. Even then, it takes months if not years to do so. Fix the adoption system, and the need for abortions drops, but that's why they wont.




They adopt from other countries because its too hard to adopt here. Plain and simple.


Yeah, I can personally say I have only met 2 people that in my hayday could outdrink me. I was a big time partier. Never no matter how intoxicated I was, did my big head not do the thinking, because before I got drunk I made sure I was prepared. Its honestly a pee poor excuse that people make.

I think it will take time, but over the course of a generation or two, that preaching of responsibility gets passed down. We have lost our way as society, because my parents generation and my generation have put themselves over others. We have preached that nothing is your fault, and we can fix anything with the governments help and you will be taken care of no matter what.

It seems to me, that this wasn't as widespread back in the day. Its seems to me, that having abortions open for all, has been the reason our society is not well.

As far as adoptions goes, my wife and I have talked about adopting a child instead of having another one. If it was not for the cost of the adoption process, we would have already.

Fine. So let’s fix the adoption issues in this country before we unload thousands of unwanted children into the system.

You’re right. It is a poor excuse. But it still happened. It happens a lot. Every night on a college campus, rural America, big cities. So all those people should have their lives forever changed because of a stupid poor choice? I made a poor choice... I was a poor choice maker back then... the LAST thing I needed was to have a kid. The last thing a kid needed was to have me as a dad. I was the exact kind of person that shouldn’t have had a kid at that time.
My story through my late teens and early 20’s is by no means my own. These are the types of people, the poor decision makers, that shouldn’t be having kids.



Not asking for the government’s help. I’m asking them to stay out of the way. It’s not their body, or lives. Nor should it be their choice.




I think absentee fathers are one of the biggest issues. Taking abortions off the table for the woman is only going to make this problem worse.
On the rest of the sentiment of the comment... we just disagree.

One must keep in mind, they're actually pro birth and not pro life. Once they're born it's all over.

I want to live in their world where everyone makes great choices and comes from great families. Families where abstinence and/or birth control is openly discussed. Homes that aren’t broken through abuse, drugs or alcohol. Where dads come home every night and help with the homework. I’d LOVE to live in this Norman Rockwell painting they have in their minds.

But... but, reality.
Look at the stats for teen mothers that begat teen mothers. That alone should make you shudder.
Maybe they have more hope for humanity. Lol
I’m just looking at this pragmatically.


And yes I was serious about vasectomies for 15 year olds. We cut on their junk at birth in western cultures. Why not add this into the life plan? Snip snip. You want it back? Show that your life is on track for it. Want it enough to go back under the knife.

That’s how you get the results they want. Anything else is just a bandaid on an gunshot wound.

I would rather be in in the broken system alive, then be dead. jmo.

Yet when it comes to food stamps, medicaid, public housing and all of the programs that would help them after they're born, you support a man who does everything he can to cut these programs.

Thus, pro birth not pro life.

You’d be none the wiser.
Again I’m pragmatic. If my mom had chosen to not carry me to term I’d not be aware. Life would go on for those that were born as though nothing had changed. I’d not be the wiser. As I’d not be.

Women been aborting unwanted babies for thousands of years. Just because the safe surgical procedure is being taken off the table does not mean there will be no women trying to get rid of an unwanted fetus, it will just be more dangerous. We'll just go back to the days of using coathangers or getting punched in the stomach to cause miscarriage.

Tell that to the ones where the abortions were not fully completed, and the baby was left mangled and disfigured.

You realize those babies feel that pain right? They feel their arms and legs being ripped apart.

How do you know that? How do you know they have a functioning nervous system that transmits pain signals to their brains and those signals are interpreted as pain? You don't have a clue.

Goofball GOPer Rule #69:

We have the absolute right to impose our will on the outcome of your pregnancy.

We have the absolute right to push our religious beliefs down your throat.

We as white men have the absolute right to tell all women what they can and can't do with their bodies and sexual life.

Your last sentence tells me all I need to know about you.

Your sentence about his last sentence tells me all I need to know about you.

Your sentence, about my sentence, about his sentence tells me a lot too.

But, honestly, if my statement tells you "all you need to know about me", fine. That explains a lot.

Your sentence addressing my sentence responding to your sentence about OCD’s last sentence tells me all I need to know about you.

I'll have to address this sentence, about your sentence, about my sentence,about his sentence,tomorrow. I'm going to need some time.

Essentially a ban on abortions, sorry Ohio. Sounds like there will be less people having sex, and an exponential increase in unwanted children. Potentially an exodus of women leaving the state, for obvious reasons.

Sorry guys.

Now Ohio should pass a bill that addresses supports for famili...

Who am I kidding. This discussion will go nowhere here.

If there was more 69ing going on there would be a lot less pregnancy's.

I am all for supporting families.

How does your mother feel about being number 3?

I don’t really get what you’re saying here. If an abortion occurs there is nothing, no one, left to tell the story of their ‘arms and legs being ripped apart’ or other such nonsense. Once the cell lump has been removed... it’s removed. There is no leftover ‘baby left mangled and disfigured’.

Those that resort to using a coat hanger, or other such measures, on themselves in an attempt to abort because they didn’t or couldn’t access a legal abortion.... Well that’s when you have mangled babies.
So hey, let’s take away legal access, right?

You can’t vote GOP and then claim this. Sorry.

this combined with the loser in texas trying to charge women for murder over abortion.

if half the republican leadership for the last 40 years got aborted, the world would be much better off.

You're totally unhinged today.

so?

Just a realistic observation. So?

so i understand what the point of saying that was. if you find me unhinged then just block me and try again tomorrow, if it bothers you that much . or perma block me like your boy BpG. makes no difference to me.

Funniest stuff I've read on here in a while. And that's across multiple threads today.