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Originally Posted By: Swish
burning down 3 black churches doesn't sound like he was mocking anything.

but i look a race issues entirely different from you.
All the evidence we have points to one of these things (in no particular order):

1. He hates religious people
2. he hates black people
3. he hates religious black people

there is a small chance so far (however unlikely, IMO) that it happened to just be 3 random churches that happened to be black churches, and it wasn't targeted.

I don't have all the info, but it seems race related to me.

I am sure more will come out in the meantime.

I hope he gets life if this is true.

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I just explained that to you. It's the standard line that's always used when racism or large capacity weapons are used.

I'm not jumping to conclusions on whether this kid was racially motivated in this act. I am jumping to the conclusion of how it will be explained away by those on the right if it's found that it was racially motivated. And I have loads of evidence with which to base that conclusion on.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
burning down 3 black churches doesn't sound like he was mocking anything.

but i look a race issues entirely different from you.

Swish I wasn't saying that burning churches was mocking anything.. but this comment:

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On another page, Matthews reportedly commented on a photo depicting a pagan figure with a belt that one user though looked like a swastika. “Well yea the belt gives him extra strength and power.....white power lmao jk jk I had to,” Matthews wrote.


Appears to be mocking the dude wearing the belt, not supporting him.


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St. Landry Parish, with a population of more than 83,000, is about 56 percent white and 42 percent black, census data shows. Guidroz said police in the parish worked with pastors at other black churches to step up safety patrols.



Found this statistic interesting as it related to the headline....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fed...urnings-n993456




lol OCD...I guess "Known church burners" was so out of line you had to "call me out" on it.

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Opelousas, Louisiana (CNN)A suspect in arson fires at three historically black Louisiana churches is a law enforcement officer's son who may have been influenced by "black metal" music and its "associated history with church burnings," the state fire marshal said Thursday.



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"Information investigators have uncovered, and that Matthews has offered, suggests a possible connection with a genre of music called 'black metal' and its associated history with church burnings in other parts of the world -- which have been documented in movies and books," Browning said. "Any questions as to the potential motives of hate are continuing to be vetted by federal authorities."


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Officials are also investigating a fourth, smaller fire on March 31 at the predominantly white Vivian United Pentecostal Church in Caddo Parish, more than 200 miles north of St. Landry. The blaze was intentionally set. Officials said Thursday they had no evidence linking the Caddo fire to the other three.




https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/11/us/louisiana-black-church-fires-suspect-detained/index.html




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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I just explained that to you. It's the standard line that's always used when racism or large capacity weapons are used.

I'm not jumping to conclusions on whether this kid was racially motivated in this act. I am jumping to the conclusion of how it will be explained away by those on the right if it's found that it was racially motivated. And I have loads of evidence with which to base that conclusion on.


I can't argue with that, you can see how I would take offense to your comments directed at me though.

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I can because it happens the other way around sometimes.


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I know there were church burnings but you made it sound like all 'followers were church burners and satanist'. I'm sorry you can't seem to wrap around how wrong you are... smh

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
I know there were church burnings but you made it sound like all 'followers were church burners and satanist'. I'm sorry you can't seem to wrap around how wrong you are... smh


I have to wonder if you are a black metal participant. Your christianaphobia is well documented, but you're trying to defend a cult that openly promotes satanism. And historically has burned churches.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
I know there were church burnings but you made it sound like all 'followers were church burners and satanist'. I'm sorry you can't seem to wrap around how wrong you are... smh


LOL what a joke. You seriously went to the "You made it sound like".

Shake your head all you want, you made some dumbass statements and I proved it.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
I know there were church burnings but you made it sound like all 'followers were church burners and satanist'. I'm sorry you can't seem to wrap around how wrong you are... smh

I have no idea how many of them there are but simple logic dictates that if they were ALL church burners, there would be churches burning every day in the USA...


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yea, as long as its only a few than the collateral damage is all good.


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That has nothing to do with what I said... at all.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
burning down 3 black churches doesn't sound like he was mocking anything.

but i look a race issues entirely different from you.
All the evidence we have points to one of these things (in no particular order):

1. He hates religious people
2. he hates black people
3. he hates religious black people

there is a small chance so far (however unlikely, IMO) that it happened to just be 3 random churches that happened to be black churches, and it wasn't targeted.

I don't have all the info, but it seems race related to me.

I am sure more will come out in the meantime.

I hope he gets life if this is true.



Or:

He's a satanist that likes burning churches.
He hates his dad and wanted to commit crimes.
He's been doing it for years and finally got caught.

Don't jump to conclusions on this guy yet. I want his brain picked apart.


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Churches.
Who does heinous crap like this?


These days it can be anyone who is overwhelmed with hate and other mental/emotional issues.

Mississippi caught their problem...

Member Charged in Arson of Black Church With ‘Vote Trump’ Scrawled on Side

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/21/us/mississippi-church-fire.html


Update:

Black worshipper is sentenced to 10 years in jail for torching his own church in the lead-up to the 2016 election but denies spray painting 'vote Trump' on the building

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ppi-church.html

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Yeah, so much for staying on topic.

Louisiana Man Accused of Burning 3 Black Churches Faces Hate Crime Charges

Louisiana prosecutors have charged Holden Matthews with three hate crimes, one for each of the black churches he’s accused of burning down in St. Landry Parish.

The hate crime charges were added to several counts of arson involving a religious building, BuzzFeed News reports. Matthews, the son of a local sheriff’s deputy, pleaded not guilty on Monday to all the charges. He was also denied bail by Judge James Doherty who, according to the Daily Beast, cited concerns about releasing the accused arsonist as the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives continue their investigation of the fires that burned down three historically black churches over a span of 10 days.

If found guilty, the 21-year-old could face up to 65 years in prison. And with federal authorities investigating the blazes, it’s possible Matthews could face federal charges as well.

Local investigators believe Matthews set the fires intentionally, dousing gasoline on the flames to accelerate the churches’ destruction. The first church burned down on March 26 in Port Barre, with two more churches set on fire in Opelousas, a majority-black town, shortly after. Each church was more than a hundred years old, and all were empty at the time of the blazes.

One fire marshal testified in court that Matthews even documented the fires on his phone and claimed responsibility for the burnings by placing images of himself over copies of news reports.

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The fire marshal described cellphone records placing Matthews at the fire locations, and he said images on the phone showed all three churches burning before law enforcement arrived and showed Matthews “claiming responsibility” for the fires.

“The evidence we have was unequivocal,” Louisiana Fire Marshal Butch Browning testified. Browning also told the court he felt another fire was “imminent” if Holden were released.

“He has clearly demonstrated the characteristics of a pathological fire setter,” he said.

Authorities are reportedly investigating Matthews’ ties to Norwegian black metal music and neo-paganism, connections that are significant for their overlap with neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups. According to BuzzFeed News, Matthews talked about converting from Catholicism to paganism last year. In one social media post, Matthews focused his ire on Baptists in particular, calling them “a bunch of brainwashed people trying to find happiness in a religion that was forced on their ancestors just as it was mine.”

https://www.theroot.com/louisiana-man-accused-of-burning-3-black-churches-faces-1834075389


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Yuck, I am not one to try and attack the source and I am not disuputing the article but if ya'll are going to post "The Root" articles you cannot complain about fox news.

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Who da root???

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Yeah, so much for staying on topic.

Nobody had posted in this thread for weeks.


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Yeah, so posting something from 2016 is the topic.


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It is wrong to post Fake News about black churches when I saw the pictures and not one of those churches was painted black. tsktsk

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