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Maybe the LGBTQ+ community should start their own religion. Then the Mike Pence’s of the world couldn’t legally discriminate against them.

screw pence.

Some should follow the religion they claim to follow....

Matt. 25:40-45

40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!’
41 “Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.
42 For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink.
43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’
44 “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’
45 “And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’

Get that sweet, sweet tax break, too...

Pete Buttigieg has a husband?

Well in the spirit of open mindedness I must say it wouldn't be the first time we had a man for First Lady.

did melania have a sex change i wasn't aware of?

If she did it was after all of those soft porn pictures that were taken of her and published. I guess as she aged her looks must have fizzled since
trump moved on to another porn star.

Pence on Buttigieg: 'He knows I don't have a problem with him'
BY JOHN BOWDEN - 04/12/19 08:20 AM EDT 521
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Vice President Pence responded to criticism from 2020 White House hopeful Pete Buttigieg (D) in an interview that aired on Friday, accusing the South Bend, Ind., mayor of ginning up a conflict for votes.

In an interview with CNN, Pence said that the mayor knew that Pence did not have a problem with him over his sexuality. Buttigieg is the first openly gay man to gain traction in a major party's primary race.


"You know, I've known Mayor Pete for many years. We worked closely together when I was governor," Pence, who was governor of Indiana from 2013 to 2017, told CNN's Dana Bash in the interview.

"I considered him a friend," Pence added. "He knows I don't have a problem with him."

"I don't believe in discrimination against anybody. I treat everybody how I want to be treated," the vice president continued. "The truth of it is, all of us have our own religious convictions. Pete has his convictions, I have mine."

Pence added that the mayor's quarrel was "with the First Amendment," adding: "All of us in this country have a right to our religious beliefs."

Buttigieg and Pence have recently traded blows in the press after the South Bend mayor accused Pence of holding his sexuality against him due to Pence's conservative Christian beliefs about homosexuality.

"Speaking only for myself, I can tell you that if me being gay was a choice, it was a choice that was made far, far above my pay grade," Buttigieg said on Sunday.

"And that’s the thing I wish the Mike Pences of the world would understand," he continued. "If you’ve got a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me. Your quarrel, sir, is with my creator."

Pence's office has accused the mayor of misrepresenting the vice president's views on homosexuality and circulated past praise of Buttigieg from Pence's time as governor earlier in the week.

“He said some things that are critical of my Christian faith and about me personally. And he knows better. He knows me,” Pence added in an interview Thursday with CNBC.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat...roblem-with-him

Another idiotic and offensive comment...

Man you are just as bad as the idiot you support.....

Pete Buttigieg’s Bad-Faith Attack on Mike Pence
By BEN SHAPIRO
April 10, 2019 6:30 AM

Pete Buttigieg speaks at the 2019 National Action Network convention in New York City, April 4, 2019. (Lucas Jackson/Reuters)
The vice president makes a convenient villain for the Left, regardless of the facts.
Back in 2015, South Bend, Ind.’s mayor, Pete Buttigieg, came out of the closet as a gay man. Asked about the news, Indiana governor, Mike Pence, simply responded, “I hold Mayor Buttigieg in the highest personal regard. I see him as a dedicated public servant and a patriot.”

A year earlier, Buttigieg had been deployed to Afghanistan as a member of the U.S. Naval Reserve. According to the Indianapolis Star, “a noticeably moved Pence called Buttigieg the day he was driving to the base.”


There is no evidence that Pence has ever said an unkind word about or done an unkind thing to Buttigieg.

So, naturally, Buttigieg is attacking Pence as a homophobic bigot nearly every day on the campaign trail. Appearing on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Buttigieg sneered, “He’s nice. If he were here, you would think he’s a nice guy to your face. But he’s also fanatical.” Speaking at the LGBTQ Victory Fund National Champagne Brunch in Washington, Buttigieg tore into Pence’s supposed intolerance: “That’s the thing I wish the Mike Pences of the world would understand. That if you got a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me — your quarrel, sir, is with my creator.” This week, Buttigieg tweeted, clearly in reference to Pence, “People will often be polite to you in person, while advancing policies that harm you and your family. You will be polite to them in turn, but you need not stand for such harms. Instead, you push back, honestly and emphatically. So it goes, in the public square.”

This is a change for Buttigieg, whose best-selling memoir contains no negative references about Pence but complains of “the complications of being openly gay in Mike Pence’s Indiana.” That phraseology is more a critique of Pence’s policy preferences than his personality. Fair enough.

But Buttigieg is no longer operating in good faith. Now he’s attacking Christians who disagree with his policies and support Trump (“the hypocrisy is unbelievable”); he’s castigating Pence as a religious homophobe, characterizing him as an obstacle to tolerance. Why? Because it is far more convenient to cast Pence as a close-minded bigot than it is to respect him as a political opponent.

NOW WATCH: 'Pete Buttigieg Bashes 'Hypocrisy' Of Trump Supporting Evangelicals'


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Pete Buttigieg Bashes 'Hypocrisy' Of Trump Supporting Evangelicals
This has become a particularly popular tactic on the Left. When Pence swore in Senator Doug Jones (D., Ala.), the Leftist internet completely manufactured a narrative wherein Pence was deeply uncomfortable with Jones’s gay son (Newsweek’s headline: “Doug Jones’ Gay Son Gives Mike Pence Serious Side-Eye”). Gay Olympian Adam Rippon randomly decided to tear into Pence by stating that “for Mike Pence to say he’s a devout Christian man is completely contradictory.” When gay Irish prime minister Leo Varadkar and his husband attended breakfast with Pence, the media attempted to push a narrative about Pence’s supposed discomfort. When Pence’s wife began teaching at a Christian school, the media leapt to label her an anti-gay maniac.

There is no evidence for any of this. Pence has been dealing with gay men, including Buttigieg, his entire career. He differs from them on the definition of marriage. While I believe the government ought to exit the business of marriage altogether, there are plenty of public-policy reasons to stand for traditional marriage that aren’t rooted in animus.


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More than that, it betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of religious people to suggest that their belief in the immorality of certain sexual behavior reflects animus for those who engage in that sexual behavior. Religious people generally believe that we all sin; that we all struggle with sin; and that participating in one particular type of sin doesn’t mean that the sinner is somehow inferior to those who engage in other types of sin.

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Frankly, it’s bewildering that the Left seems so concerned about Mike Pence’s personal beliefs on the sinfulness of homosexual activity. Why should Buttigieg care? More than that, is there any justification for attributing malign motives to Pence, both in terms of public policy and in terms of religious observance?

Buttigieg should know better. After all, he quite rightly stated of Chick-fil-A, “I do not approve of their politics, but I kind of approve of their chicken.” But he’s forgotten moderation in pursuit of intersectional glory in the Democratic primaries. And that glory can only be had, apparently, at the price of slandering a good man who disagrees with him on the nature of sin and on public policy.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/04/pete-buttigieg-attacks-mike-pence-bad-faith/

It's a Right Wing take..... not one I buy into.

Pence is as big a liar as Trump.

What are you talking about? Pence didn't really say nice things about Buttigieg?

Poor Mike Pence who has spoken out about gay people often. How dare a gay man stand up for himself!

Mike Pence Spoke at an Anti-LGBT Group’s Summit

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/mike-pence-anti-lgbt-729740/

Vice-president's wife Karen Pence to teach at anti-LGBT school

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46898143

A Timeline of Mike Pence’s Discrimination Against the LGBT Community

https://www.indems.org/a-timeline-of-mike-pences-discrimination-against-the-lgbt-community/

I think that LGBT and the entirety of the political landscape surrounding it has already become a new religion.

Yet many of them follow existing religions. Like Christianity.

Pence is a garbage human being.
The entire rest of his trash he spoke after this is complete and utter void of reality.
"I considered him a friend," Pence added. "He knows I don't have a problem with him."

How many of your ‘friends’ do you go to the mat to impede their life choices? How many of us would keep a ‘friend’ that consistently voted against, spoke against, and generally advocated against who you are as a person?
Friend? Pence is vile.

Rob Smith: I’m gay and support Mike Pence – don’t believe Pete Buttigieg’s claim that Pence is anti-gay

I’m someone those on the left would have you believe doesn’t exist: a gay, black, conservative, Republican Christian. I’m glad that anti-gay bias doesn’t seem to be hurting South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg in his campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination, but I plan to vote to re-elect President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence in November 2020.

It’s an important sign of progress that Buttigieg’s sexual orientation, along with his marriage to another man, isn’t considered disqualifying in his bid for the presidency. It certainly would have been a few years ago. Thankfully, more and more Americans are realizing that sexual orientation is irrelevant unless you are looking for a romantic partner.

I know Buttigieg could make history by becoming the first openly gay major party presidential nominee – just as Hillary Clinton made history as the first female nominee and Barack Obama made history as the first black nominee and president.

But while I hope no one opposes Mayor Pete’s White House bid just because he is gay, I’m not ready to support him just because we share that one demographic characteristic.

And I think it’s unfortunate that Buttigieg has tried to portray Vice President Pence as anti-gay. Based on my own research, the work of the Log Cabin Republicans (an LGBT group) and my own experience recently meeting Pence, I know he is absolutely not anti-gay. That false accusation needs to be rejected once and for all.

But isn’t Pence an evangelical conservative Christian? Guilty as charged. So that means he must hate all gays and lesbians and wants to take away our rights, doesn’t it? Actually, no, it doesn’t.

The left has branded Pence as the No. 1 enemy of gays and lesbians, so Buttigieg needs to show he can take Pence on, regardless of the cordial and respectful relationship they shared as Indiana politicians of different parties.

Campaigning at an event Sunday hosted by the LGBTQ Victory Fund, Buttigieg said: "If me being gay was a choice, it was made far, far above my pay grade ... that’s the thing that I wish the Mike Pence’s of the world would understand – that if you got a problem with who I am – your problem is not with me, your quarrel sir, is with my creator."

I love God and God loves me. I came to a deeper understanding of that particular fact after a tour in Iraq while I proudly served in the U.S. Army. Wartime service in combat helps you see the world in a completely different way.

Whether or not others interpret Christianity in the same way I do is none of my concern. Whether or not they believe I was born gay is also none of my concern until it starts to negatively impact my life. In 2019 it does not.

This message triggers those on the left because they’ve been very successful at convincing a generation of young gays and lesbians to reject God in favor of their cult of intersectionality and identity politics.

When religion is left behind, identity becomes religion. Politics becomes religion. And for many of these disaffected gay youth that I meet, far-left identity politics has become their religion. They worship its most prominent faces and voices like gods. Their Twitter feeds and Instagram posts become their Bible. And when their gods tell them that a politician is the enemy, they listen.

But here’s the truth: In the more than two years President Trump and Vice President Pence have been in office, gay and lesbian Americans have seen very little in terms of anti-gay legislation from this administration.

And according to many news reports, when Pence was governor of Indiana and Buttigieg was mayor of South Bend, the two got along well.

As The Associated Press reported Friday: “During the four years in which they overlapped in Indiana politics, Buttigieg, the South Bend mayor, had a cordial relationship with Pence. The two collaborated on economic development issues. Buttigieg presented Pence with a South Bend promotional T-shirt that said ‘I (heart) SB.’ And at ceremonial events, Pence would lavish Buttigieg with praise.”

For example, in June 2015, then-Gov. Pence called Buttigieg “a dedicated public servant and a patriot.” These aren’t the words of a homophobe, despite what many Democrats would like you to believe about Pence.

So why is Buttigieg woke-signaling now? Obviously, to get votes and campaign contributions from the gay community and others on the left.

The left has branded Pence as the No. 1 enemy of gays and lesbians, so Buttigieg needs to show he can take Pence on, regardless of the cordial and respectful relationship they shared as Indiana politicians of different parties.

A few weeks back, I was invited to the Midwest Regional Conference of Turning Point USA, an advocacy group for young conservatives. Pence spoke at the conference and I had the opportunity to take a photo with him and interact with his team as a part of my duties as a contributor to the organization. As a conservative, I was thrilled. As a gay man, I was unsure.

Why? Because I had heard and read many times that Pence supported so-called “conversion therapy” – the absurd and discredited “treatment” to make gay people straight, as if we were afflicted with a mental illness and needed to be cured. The very concept of “conversion therapy” is demeaning and insulting.

So I decided to get to the root of where this all came from, and was furious when I learned that it was based on a lie and a smear. I stumbled onto a Fox News op-ed written by former Log Cabin Republican Executive Director Gregory Angelo that delved into the origins of the smear.

Angelo found that Pence never advocated trying to change anyone’s sexual orientation. Instead, the governor supported reauthorizing funding to combat the spread of HIV/AIDS only if resources were “directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.”

Angelo, who is gay, wrote: “Changing one’s ‘sexual behavior’ is far different than changing one’s ‘sexual orientation.’ In fact, at the time of Pence’s proclamation, LGBT advocates were working to promote safer sexual behaviors themselves with condom distribution programs and public education campaigns about HIV transmission.”

That’s it. A stance that then-Gov. Pence had taken involving the reauthorization of HIV/AIDS funding was twisted by the left, repeated again and again, and used to exploit the deepest fears of gays and lesbians to get them to support Democrats and oppose Republican Pence.

I searched more and more for any other information that supported the claim that Pence supported “conversion therapy” but I couldn’t find anything. I was furious, realizing I and many others had been lied to by the left yet again.

So I went to the Turning Point USA conference. I posed for a photo with Pence and smiled bright and wide. I was proud to be there.

The vice president was welcoming and cordial to this gay, black, Iraq war combat veteran and conservative Republican. Like he was to our gay ambassador to Germany Ric Grenell when swearing him in as Grenell’s longtime partner Matt Lashey held the Bible.

Gays and lesbians are here to stay. Yes, even in the GOP. The vice president respects that. And I, as a gay conservative, can respect his right to his traditional Christian beliefs – even if they aren’t mine.

I support the Trump-Pence team because I think these two men are doing a great job for America and can do more if given another four years in office.

I realize many Americans are opposed to President Trump and Vice President Pence for a variety of reasons. But if this opposition is based on a belief that the occupants of our nation’s highest offices are anti-gay, it is based on a lie of the left.

Pence has been anti gay what seems like forever. There are links posted above that point out examples. I know, "Some guy said", but his actions are louder than words.

What a mature stance. Just because you don't agree with someone they are automatically a piece of human garbage.

When you make laws that allow those who are religious to discriminate against those who do not share your religious views, you have used your religion as a weapon. Everyone has the right to believe as they see fit. But when you use your beliefs to punish and discriminate against those who do not share your religious views, people can't go around and make false claims that you're "not anti gay".

What Pit said.

I'm all for the rights of everyone but I respect someone else's opinion not to call them a piece of human garbage. You don't know how to treat others with respect. That's what it tells me. In addition to this, he currently holds the title of Vice President of the United States, which is more cause for you to respect the office.

I respect nothing at all about the clowns in office right now. There’s not a thing respectable about them. They have to earn my respect. I don’t give it away just because they got voted in.
Both trump and pence are deplorable humans.

Respect is earned not given.

Time to pull out some receipts...

In 2006 Mike Pence said


Supported and voted for businesses not hiring LGBTQ+ individuals.

Called ending "Don't Ask Don't Tell" a social experiment.

I always get a kick out of you Liberal college boys telling Vets who they should serve with and Business who they have to hire.

Please explain where I did any of those?

I just provided the receipts of Mike Pence's positions.

I'll await your proof. Thanks!

Mayor Pete Sucks.

Not so with the highest offices in the land. That's not really the way it works. I didn't care for a SINGLE one of Obama's policies but I never said he was a piece of human garbage. That's because I understand that someone can have a view that I disagree with and that doesn't make the entire person. Apparently some people in the thread are either not mature enough to get this or they're just blinded by hatred.

If he hasn't met Pence and doesn't know him personally then I'd probably say he's not qualified to call him a piece of human garbage. By the profile and picture I noticed that he\she may live in Oregon. You know how that state is, lol.

So an openly gay democratic candidate dissed the uber religious conservative VP who won't even eat a meal alone with another woman. Pence is definitely not a supporter of gay rights and his ridiculous religious views are like something straight out of the handmaid's tale.

But TB is right, that doesn't make him garbage. Supporting Trump makes him garbage.

pence is garbage. trump is a lying pile of garbage. Neither have earned my or anyone else’s respect. You’ve given yours freely.
Oregon is amazing.

What are you talking about?

It's not hatred. If you want to look at hatred, look at the way Trump uses name calling towards anyone who disagrees with him. He has zero respect for any opponent or even anyone within his own party who disagrees with him. He lacks the common understanding of what it means to show respect to anyone who doesn't walk lock step in agreement with him.

No, blind respect towards someone who knows how to do nothing but spew venom isn't something I plan to do. And Pence chose to walk hand in hand with that vile human being.

See what you're talking about is disagreeing about policy and a political platform. That's how things used to be. There have been many presidents where I didn't agree with their policies. But they weren't vile human beings. So while I didn't agree with their politics, I had respect for them as human beings and as our president.

That's not where we are now. It's not even close to being realistic to pretend we are.

His only point was that using religion as a weapon against other people is wrong. And it is.

j\c
As I see it maybe Pence don't approve of men using each others penis as a binky. Whats the big deal?

It's not a question of approving or disapproving. We all have the right to our opinions and beliefs. It's when you decide to use the things you disapprove of as a weapon to discriminate against others that it becomes a problem.

It's like, if you don't approve of gay marriage, don't get "gay married".

smh

There is so much wrong with that comment i don't even know where to begin.

Lighten up sir.

Post of the year!